hostility for Trump

[childeye 2]

President Trump speaks what is on his mind; that is his character, and I find it refreshing.

I call it alarming.

Most times, I see that Trump speaks rightly against those who oppose our nation's security, safety, military strength, economy, trade, and jobs.

I find his words to be vanity when he without any evidence, claims that others are opposing our national security, safety, military strength, economy, trade and jobs, without any proof.

President Trump is definitely remaining true to his promises to the people that voted for him; however, the democrats are trying to block him in every way possible.

I can't speak for the Democrats. I can only say that I don't know what promises you are talking about. The promises I saw him make were to fix the fictional problems he imagined.

The personal attacks against President Trump are very surprising, and shows me how liberal and anti-American the left has become, which is clearly demonstrated within the democratic party in particular. And the democratic party is definitely in alliance with Islam.

I study semantics. A left /right dichotomy exists to denote an abstract center. So to speak disparagingly about the left or right is only hypocrisy, since hypocrisy works both ends against the middle.

I study propaganda. The goal of all propaganda is to take a word that would normally be taken as a positive and get people to accept it as a negative. There's nothing wrong with being a liberal. The term Liberal means to be against autocracy, aristocracy, oligarchy, and to be for the separation of powers and the freedom of the people to have a say in government. Our country is a liberal country founded on liberal ideals, whose constitution is a liberal document.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

As my profile says, I live in Australia & not a US citizen, so I get rather mystified by the personal vitriol that is expressed towards President Trump. Of course it happens here too but basically we are just too busy playing cricket & football to get too worked up about our pollies.

The first US president I became aware of as a young teenager was Kennedy ... and yes I remember where I was when he was shot. So over the years I have taken a distant interest in US politics, becoming more aware of things in recent years through forums such as this. Unless I am beginning to 'disremember' there is not a time I can recall when there was such personal animus for a president.

I suppose everyone is aware of Trump's character flaws but I am surprised how often he is abused on a personal level by those Christians who dislike him ... which actually sounds like hate to me. In Australia there is a tendency to avoid attacks on a politician's character though there have been notable exceptions (eg Barnaby Joyce).

It seems those who engage in attacking Trump's character, rather than just objectively criticizing his policies, do so on the basis that it is "the truth". I'm not actually asking whether it is "the truth" that Trump is all the bad things people say, but whether as Christians we ought to adopt a different approach.

The reason for this is deeper than you think. God is heavily involved in Trumps election and policies. More so than any president in my lifetime. Not only is this difficult to conceptualize for Christians with certain personality types. But it is also doing two other things. It’s exposing where people’s hearts are really at and bringing the judgement that is written upon them.

How so? Because when God has a purpose and a plan to get a nation to a certain place. He will communicate this to people on a spiritual level that they may not intellectually be able to grasp. So he brings light to help them grasp it. But if they just, for whatever reason reject what is going on down inside of them. It progressively causes them to fall into darkness. Hence, what you are seeing.

Look at Abe Lincoln as a good example. Not known for being a Christian yet compare him to all those southern gentlemen who were considered exemplary Christians. Those Christian men were disregarding how God was working on a spiritual level to get Christian influenced nation to make slavery illegal. But the one not known for Christianity, Lincoln was heeding the work of Gods spirit. His election brought the exemplary Christians who were refusing Gods work into judgement. This is exactly the same thing.

 

[childeye 2]

No - that isn't classic racism. That's classic pragmatism.

It's not pragmatic to not want to let people in from Expletive countries. That's ridiculous.

Your politics are showing.

I hope so.

 

[usexpat97]

Criticism of someone is different from hate, although the two aren't mutually exclusive.

The following kinds of comments would be considered hate rather than criticism:

• Insulting family members
• death threats
• insults featuring locker room language
• talking negative about his private life

Meanwhile, Trump is doing exactly those things you mention.

 

[gideon123]

I prefer not to discuss politics much. The deeper issue is America's separation from God, and whether it will be healed.

Let me answer your question this way. I think that Americans hope for our president to be a unifying person, someone who promotes inclusion. The picture that comes to mind is the President having a "fireside chat" with the country. It is a very important for the American president to communicate sincerely with the people.

Trump never embraced that idea, in fact i doubt that he comprehends it. Instead each morning we are confronted by Donald Trump sending vicious and ugly tweets against Americans with many different backgrounds. It is clear that Trump is addicted to Twitter, but more clear that he revels in belittling people with mean-spirited vindictiveness.

So .. I dont engage in hate talk about our President. But neither do I care if he receives vitriolic comments - he brought the problem on himself.

 

[childeye 2]

The reason for this is deeper than you think. God is heavily involved in Trumps election and policies. More so than any president in my lifetime. Not only is this difficult to conceptualize for Christians with certain personality types. But it is also doing two other things. It’s exposing where people’s hearts are really at and bringing the judgement that is written upon them.

How so? Because when God has a purpose and a plan to get a nation to a certain place. He will communicate this to people on a spiritual level that they may not intellectually be able to grasp. So he brings light to help them grasp it. But if they just, for whatever reason reject what is going on down inside of them. It progressively causes them to fall into darkness. Hence, what you are seeing.

Look at Abe Lincoln as a good example. Not known for being a Christian yet compare him to all those southern gentlemen who were considered exemplary Christians. Those Christian men were disregarding how God was working on a spiritual level to get Christian influenced nation to make slavery illegal. But the one not known for Christianity, Lincoln was heeding the work of Gods spirit. His election brought the exemplary Christians who were refusing Gods work into judgement. This is exactly the same thing.

Exactly. All who are truly loving others as they would want to be loved, could not possibly be serving carnal vanity.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Exactly. All who are truly loving others as they would want to be loved, could not possibly be serving carnal vanity.

That is what I am talking about. Looking at the man in the worst possible light. The question is why? I glanced at some of your other posts. Accusing him of having a motivation of racism when it is the most obvious thing in the world that he is not a racist. In fact his historical record of anti racism is well known. Again I ask why? What is Satan? A false accuser. When you blatantly accuse someone of what they are not. Then there is motivation behind that accusation.

 

[childeye 2]

I don't see it that way - there are enough examples of corrupt behaviour that can quite easily be looked into, there's no mystery about it.

Exactly, as in the case of the whistleblower, the openly corrupt behavior has even been documented by the texts provided. The personal attacks on the whistleblower as a traitor is killing the messenger, and avoiding objectively discussing the documented substance of the complaint.

 

[childeye 2]

Your attitude is what my OP was addressing - because you think something is true because of the sources you have used, you then think you have the right to accuse a person of corrupt behaviour. It's really no difference to calling people names and I am suggesting Christians can do better than that.

The sources are the actual words of the President who initiated the action and those who were complicit in the abuse of power.

 

[childeye 2]

That is what I am talking about. Looking at the man in the worst possible light. The question is why? I glanced at some of your other posts. Accusing him of having a motivation of racism when it is the most obvious thing in the world that he is not a racist. In fact his historical record of anti racism is well known. Again I ask why? What is Satan? A false accuser. When you blatantly accuse someone of what they are not. Then there is motivation behind that accusation.

I didn't "accuse" him of being a racist. I said it's racism to discriminate based on someone's country of origin.

So when he said he doesn't want people being let into our country who come from expletive countries, that's racism and not an accusation. And in perfect clarity it's a thought that does not fulfill love others as yourself. It's not the Spirit of Christ behind Trumps words. To imply that I'm motivated by Satan for saying so carries no conviction for me.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I didn't "accuse" him of being a racist. I said it's racism to discriminate based on someone's country of origin. So when he said he doesn't want people being let into our country who come from expletive countries, that's racism. And in perfect clarity it's a thought that does not fulfill love others as yourself. Moreover since such a statement is not rational, it can't be said there is ever any legitimate motivation for racism. Vanity is imaginary.

Yep, your accosting him of racism, plain and simple. Your a false accuser, plain and simple. It exposes motive. Plain and simple.

 

[Emmylouwho]

I think it all has to do with politics. Many didn't expect him to win the election, and they have been trying to undermine him ever since. They are concentrating on his faults, and ignoring the overwhelming positive things he has been doing for the nation.

He is a businessman, and so has a different way of doing things than most politicians. He makes his decisions on the basis of what proves to be successful; and he is being successful. Therefore a lot of the opposition against him is just plain jealousy.

He’s a terrible businessman. So what does he have going for him?

 

[Ricky M]

He’s a terrible businessman. So what does he have going for him?

He wasn't Hillary. That's about it.

 

[childeye 2]

Yep, your accosting him of racism, plain and simple. Your a false accuser, plain and simple. It exposes motive. Plain and simple.

Do you think believing that people should not be allowed into America from expletive countries is the Spirit of Christ? Do you think it loves others as yourself?

You can see plainly from my questions above that Christ is my motive.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Do you think believing that people should not be allowed into America from expletive countries is the Spirit of Christ? Do you think it loves others as yourself?

You can see plainly from my questions above that Christ is my motive.

Clearly, Christ is not your motive. First and foremost Christ is not a false accuser like Satan is. Your entire premise is slander and nothing but.

 

[CitizenD]

It seems those who engage in attacking Trump's character, rather than just objectively criticizing his policies, do so on the basis that it is "the truth". I'm not actually asking whether it is "the truth" that Trump is all the bad things people say, but whether as Christians we ought to adopt a different approach.

If Trump does things that are destructive to our social fabric (constant lying, turning insults into a national sport, ignoring social norms, binding other polls to him and getting them to violate social norms) then those things need to be called out. It's not "good" or "christian" to ignore these problems.

 

[childeye 2]

Clearly, Christ is not your motive. First and foremost Christ is not a false accuser like Satan is. Your entire premise is slander and nothing but.

I must assume you didn't answer the questions because you know I'm right. So... Do you think believing that people should not be allowed into America from expletive countries is the Spirit of Christ? Do you think it loves others as yourself?

 

[Sketcher]

As my profile says, I live in Australia & not a US citizen, so I get rather mystified by the personal vitriol that is expressed towards President Trump. Of course it happens here too but basically we are just too busy playing cricket & football to get too worked up about our pollies.

The first US president I became aware of as a young teenager was Kennedy ... and yes I remember where I was when he was shot. So over the years I have taken a distant interest in US politics, becoming more aware of things in recent years through forums such as this. Unless I am beginning to 'disremember' there is not a time I can recall when there was such personal animus for a president.

I suppose everyone is aware of Trump's character flaws but I am surprised how often he is abused on a personal level by those Christians who dislike him ... which actually sounds like hate to me. In Australia there is a tendency to avoid attacks on a politician's character though there have been notable exceptions (eg Barnaby Joyce).

It seems those who engage in attacking Trump's character, rather than just objectively criticizing his policies, do so on the basis that it is "the truth". I'm not actually asking whether it is "the truth" that Trump is all the bad things people say, but whether as Christians we ought to adopt a different approach.

What people said about Bush came close, and he was actually a decent guy. Leftists have been saying that Republicans are racist for decades, so when a Republican finally came along that actually said some overtly racist things on the campaign trail, maybe they felt they needed to kick it up a notch.

I guarantee you that you would not be hearing this from the American left if Trump had run as a Democrat while espousing the left-wing policies he had espoused in the past (gun control, socialized medicine, abortion). His making fun of the one-armed guy would not have mattered to them. His past affairs and sexual harassment would not have mattered to them, they would have rallied around him like they did with Bill Clinton. Bullying on Twitter? They'd be fine with it, they themselves bully conservatives on Twitter.

As Christians, we need to be more fair than that. Should we be critical of his character? Yes, the same as we needed to be critical of Obama's character, and Clinton's character. We need to call sin out.

 

[childeye 2]

What people said about Bush came close, and he was actually a decent guy. Leftists have been saying that Republicans are racist for decades, so when a Republican finally came along that actually said some overtly racist things on the campaign trail, maybe they felt they needed to kick it up a notch.

I guarantee you that you would not be hearing this from the American left if Trump had run as a Democrat while espousing the left-wing policies he had espoused in the past (gun control, socialized medicine, abortion). His making fun of the one-armed guy would not have mattered to them. His past affairs and sexual harassment would not have mattered to them, they would have rallied around him like they did with Bill Clinton. Bullying on Twitter? They'd be fine with it, they themselves bully conservatives on Twitter.

As Christians, we need to be more fair than that. Should we be critical of his character? Yes, the same as we needed to be critical of Obama's character, and Clinton's character. We need to call sin out.

Do you realize that you're making unproven derogatory assertions about what Democrats would do, and then claiming Christians have to be better than that which you have just done?

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I must assume you didn't answer the questions because you know I'm right. So... Do you think believing that people should not be allowed into America from expletive countries is the Spirit of Christ? Do you think it loves others as yourself?

No, I don’t believe open borders in disregard of the consequences of such a policy is of Christ. And you have no idea what you are talking about when you claim “love” is your motive. It is not. Your false accusations put your true motive, which is contrary to “love” On full display.