Ruining the Earth.

[Christ is Lord]

the problem is not climate change

How is that not a problem? Regardless if you believe it’s due to human activity or purely natural.

 

[Cis.jd]

I am not sure why you say what's in the quote above.

Scripture doesn't have to cover everything in order to say something about matters that we can see around us today. Scripture doesn't have to predict the specifics of our age in order to say something useful for us in this age. I gave a quote from Revelation 11:18. It isn't specifically about climate change and it may not be about things happening today but it does indicate that God intends to judge the world and he will "bring to ruin those ruining the Earth". What that implies about climate change is anybody's guess but it does appear to point to God's intention to condemn those who destroy (corrupt if you like or ruin if you prefer) the Earth. There are other passages that appear to imply that treating the world in which we live with care and respect is a good thing and that laying waste to it is not good.

I'm not against any religious views on supporting taking care of the Earth. I'm more on those who are claiming this as false because "The Bible doesn't say so".

I'm not a CC advocate btw. I have skepticism towards anything that is trending in social media, however I don't see anything wrong about acting against Climate Change either way. There is another thread like this somewhere around here in where the ones who are against Climate Change use "Bible prophecies" as their basis, which is a massive face palm to me.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

the problem is not climate change but trophy hunting and littering. fix those and the earth will be fine.

Trophy hunting, hunting and fishing in general is the only thing that has been successful in keeping wildlife populations abundant and healthy. The environmentalist model has been pretty much a failure.

The developing world is doing all the littering. Go gripe at them.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

People are worried about climate change and rising oceans. The ice caps are melting. Summers are hotter. Storms are stronger. Do the scriptures give any indication of why this is so? Is there anything people can do about it?

(Revelation of John 11:18) The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.

Two things I know for a fact. Contrary to those who think the end time prophecies are talking about the end of the world as we know it. They are not. The prophesied the end of specific ages and nations. Over 100 chapters of ignored Bible prophecy talk about the world becoming better and better due to the influence of Gods invisible government. Which would also include environmentally better.

The next thing I know is only the wealthy nations are able to conduct their affairs in an environmentally sustainable fashion. The developing world is raping the environment to survive. By the way. massive national wealth is promise for nations who run their affairs according to varying degrees of Biblical principle,

Here is what I don’t know but can speculate on. Since all that carbon was locked up in the earth by Noah’s flood. And the world was much greener before the flood. Might not the release of all that carbon green the earth significantly? Since God knew the influence of the Gospel, his Word and his invisible kingdom would eventually alter the behavior of cultures for the better. Since he prophesied this and prophesied general abundance because of this. Don’t you think he knew we would tap the world’s energy resources and release all that carbon that was above the ground before the flood?

Just speculation here. Perhaps he is counting on it and it is part of the general thrust of The Bible’s prophecy of a better world? Perhaps the anti science, anti Christ left is seeking to thwart God’s plans and purposes on this matter just like they are at war against the free world? That free world that has been promised through out scripture. And perhaps. Just like Christians are completely deceived and deluded who stand with the left on other political issues. They are so with this also,

 

[Maria Billingsley]

We should but how?

Stop extracting crude oil.

 

[JacksBratt]

People are worried about climate change and rising oceans. The ice caps are melting. Summers are hotter. Storms are stronger. Do the scriptures give any indication of why this is so? Is there anything people can do about it?

(Revelation of John 11:18) The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.

This is a very polarizing topic. There are several topics, as of late, that are dividing the brothers and sisters on this forum. I am in that group and have strong opinions on several of the subjects that I am talking about here.

I believe that we are in the last days... I think that the most crucial element of life is knowing what is truth. I think that the enemy is systematically removing this essential basis for living today and being a light for our God, Lord and Savior.

Satan knows that if he can divide, he can conquer. So, the one solid thing that he is eroding is what is true...

Truth... it's so simple, yet with the corruption, on all levels of government and education, businesses, and even the church... this truth becomes elusive.

So, for this reason, I seek it. For this reason I pray that myself and others, will not be deceived..

 

[gideon123]

The Lord calls on us to act with wisdom and to be good stewards of the Earth.

Furthermore - this should be common sense. Do you want to leave a good world for your children? Is this question even open to debate?

Greta Thunberg is making a good point when she says that the world's children will be angry and outraged with us ... if we leave them in an impossible situation. They will indeed be angry - and they should be.

There are many things that we can do personally. For example:

1. Start planting trees in your local area.
2. Get rivers, lakes and streams cleaned up.
3. Ride a bicycle more, or use the city bus.
4. Re-use simple things around your house and yard i.e. stop being a throw-away society.
5. Try to use more organic and biodegradable materials, not plastics.
6. Stop using all toxic chemicals in your yard or garden, esp. NO weedkillers and herbicides.

Blessings!

 

[JacksBratt]

Stop extracting crude oil.

Simple to say.. but... just think of all the necessities of today that are dependent on it..

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

This is a very polarizing topic. There are several topics, as of late, that are dividing the brothers and sisters on this forum. I am in that group and have strong opinions on several of the subjects that I am talking about here.

I believe that we are in the last days... I think that the most crucial element of life is knowing what is truth. I think that the enemy is systematically removing this essential basis for living today and being a light for our God, Lord and Savior.

Satan knows that if he can divide, he can conquer. So, the one solid thing that he is eroding is what is true...

Truth... it's so simple, yet with the corruption, on all levels of government and education, businesses, and even the church... this truth becomes elusive.

So, for this reason, I seek it. For this reason I pray that myself and others, will not be deceived..

Hmmm. That is like saying Christians should not have been divided over the issue of slavery. But guess what. The division arose because some Christians refused to go with the flow of what God was doing in the world.

Should the other Christians have just dropped the subject and let slavery continue for unities sake? I don’t think so. And the appeals to the false prophecy in the guise of pop culture end time teachings will only further set many Christians on the path of opposition to God’s purposes and plans in the earth.

 

[dqhall]

I was a part of a Charismatic Episcopal Church that got involved in the Toronto Blessing. I left because I was under a gag order and not allowed to say anything. Just sit there and keep quiet and do not ask any questions. They ended up leaving the Episcopal Church. It started with a church that owned their own building. But other churches I had been a part of had to leave their building because they belonged to the Episcopal Church. So they had to go back and start all over again at the beginning to buy a new building to assemble in. It was interesting the people they appointed to be the Bishop of this new denomination.

An Episcopal Church in Falls Church, VA left the Episcopal Church after they ordained a lesbian. They became Anglican. The Episcopals sued them and got their church building back. The Anglican group found another meeting place. George Washington was a vestryman at that Episcopal Church.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Stop extracting crude oil.

Why? We are taking something of no value in the earth and creating something of almost immeasurable value for all people of the earth. Should we go back to slaughtering whales for lamp oil?
It is not God’s inspiration in your life making you think that way. Nor science, reason or logic.

 

[~Zao~]

Hmmm. That is like saying Christians should not have been divided over the issue of slavery. But guess what. The division arose because some Christians refused to go with the flow of what God was doing in the world.

Should the other Christians have just dropped the subject and let slavery continue for unities sake? I don’t think so. And the appeals to the false prophecy in the guise of pop culture end time teachings will only further set many Christians on the path of opposition to God’s purposes and plans in the earth.

Watched a program on the British abolition last night. It should have been named the Great British Buy=Out! There was the equivalent of billions of dollars paid to the owners of the slaves for their freedom yet nothing to the slaves. The buy out actually changed the course of history in tracing who was paid the buy outs and where the money went from there. Shocking statistics!

 

[JacksBratt]

The Lord calls on us to act with wisdom and to be good stewards of the Earth.

Furthermore - this should be common sense. Do you want to leave a good world for your children? Is this question even open to debate?

Greta Thunberg is making a good point when she says that the world's children will be angry and outraged with us ... if we leave them in an impossible situation. They will indeed be angry - and they should be.

There are many things that we can do personally. For example:

1. Start planting trees in your local area.
2. Get rivers, lakes and streams cleaned up.
3. Ride a bicycle more, or use the city bus.
4. Re-use simple things around your house and yard i.e. stop being a throw-away society.
5. Try to use more organic and biodegradable materials, not plastics.
6. Stop using all toxic chemicals in your yard or garden, esp. NO weedkillers and herbicides.

Blessings!

I feel sorry for Gretta. She is being used as a pawn and has no idea.

Lets look at her speech and the errors.

I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean.
I 100% agree..

Yet you all come to us young people for hope.
I don't think so.. Not too many people looking to the 16 year olds for hope. 100% disagree.

"You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words.
False... You have your internet, Cell phones, tablets, fancy clothes.. get to travel the world... Your dreams are all still there... 100% disagree.

Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction,
Poor girl. Who told her this tripe... But, she says it, gets applause.. so.. it must be true... it's all fabricated speculative nonsense. 100% disagree.


"For more than 30 years, the science has been crystal clear
Nope, still being argued.. but, the mainstream continue to state that it's a fact.. but if you dig.. there is much controversy... it's not fact and, even, the 97% statement is disingenuous.

However, stand up in this arena, state it, get applause.. "so it must be true"
100% disagree.

and the risk of setting off irreversible chain reactions beyond human control.
Well, there is a glimmer of truth.. "Beyond human control" For sure.. disregard the "chain reaction" and were good here...

The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us, I say: We will never forgive you.
Ya ya... all generations blame something on their parents generation.. You can blame us for all the technology you have, nice homes, schools, clothes. Tell you what.. you get rid of all the things you have that are made with oil products, use processes that produce CO2 when they are made and/or come from countries that have CO2 emissions that are through the roof.. and we'll talk... Ya.. 100% untruth.

"We will not let you get away with this. Right here, right now is where we draw the line. The world is waking up. And change is coming, whether you like it or not.

Deal... hand in your phone, give me anything you have made with oil products.. give me anything that was made in China, stop using your microwave, processed food containers, washing machines, dishwashers, live with no heat, no hot water, no light bulbs.. no coal oil lamps, oh and no cars and planes.. and ROW home.

 

[JacksBratt]

Hmmm. That is like saying Christians should not have been divided over the issue of slavery. But guess what. The division arose because some Christians refused to go with the flow of what God was doing in the world.

Should the other Christians have just dropped the subject and let slavery continue for unities sake? I don’t think so. And the appeals to the false prophecy in the guise of pop culture end time teachings will only further set many Christians on the path of opposition to God’s purposes and plans in the earth.

Like there wasn't any deception on that topic...

Just goes to prove my point.. truth is elusive....

I didn't say that Christians will not be divided.. I said that we should seek the truth.. and that it is very difficult in today's age to find solid truth.

In 50 years, we will know a lot of the things of today that were lies.. Just like we knew later about slavery. If the Lord tarries.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Why? We are taking something of no value in the earth and creating something of almost immeasurable value for all people of the earth. Should we go back to slaughtering whales for lamp oil?
It is not God’s inspiration in your life making you think that way. Nor science, reason or logic.

It is a bit presumptuous that crude oil has no value to our plant earth. Crude oil extraction to the extent we are taking it out of the earth, may be causing a shift. This is a theory. But I will share.
Blessings
Does Oil Extraction Affect the Earths Tilt and Climate? | Peace is Our True Nature

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Watched a program on the British abolition last night. It should have been named the Great British Buy=Out! There was the equivalent of billions of dollars paid to the owners of the slaves for their freedom yet nothing to the slaves. The buy out actually changed the course of history in tracing who was paid the buy outs and where the money went from there. Shocking statistics!

Are you arguing that the injustice and crime of slavery being righted was worthless, unworthy and wrong because it was unjust to not pay former slaves for at least some of their labors that were stolen from them?

 

[JacksBratt]

Are you arguing that the injustice and crime of slavery being righted was worthless, unworthy and wrong because it was unjust to not pay former slaves for at least some of their labors that were stolen from them?

I think that they are saying that the money didn't go to the rightful recipients... the slaves.

 

[JacksBratt]

How is that not a problem? Regardless if you believe it’s due to human activity or purely natural.

If it's not caused by human activity.. then what can we do about it...
It's important to be good stewards.. the vast systems of this earth are beyond the control of men.. We will not stop hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, thunderstorms or any other of the mega forces of this earth.

 

[~Zao~]

Are you arguing that the injustice and crime of slavery being righted was worthless, unworthy and wrong because it was unjust to not pay former slaves for at least some of their labors that were stolen from them?

I’m just saying it was proven to be a pay out. There was no way that abolition against slavery in British territories would have gone forward w/o compensation to appease those who thought of some humans as property, and as such, needed monetary value in place of those humans.

The American abolition differed in that it created a law that begat corporations as human beings and thus accountable, leaving those in charge not accountable.

Call it what you like.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

It is a bit presumptuous that crude oil has no value to our plant earth. Crude oil extraction to the extent we are taking it out of the earth, may be causing a shift. This is a theory. But I will share.
Blessings
Does Oil Extraction Affect the Earths Tilt and Climate? | Peace is Our True Nature

Not sure the weight factor on the earth changes even when fossil fuels are burnt. Just turns it into gas which weighs something. For all other extractions and conversions. The weight factor does not change at all.

This is besides the fact that what we extract is even measurable in comparison the the weight of the planet. Your talking like a thimbles worth of water being taken out of Lake Michigan to make a comparison.