Democratic hopefuls say eating less meat will help the climate.

[KCfromNC]

Forests, the oceans and volcanoes erupting are even easier to see from space. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that those things impact the environment even more than what man can build?

Too bad we don't have people who study these sorts of questions for a living. Oh well, guess we'll just have to assume stuff and hope for the best.

 

[KCfromNC]

Nobody had to tell me. I actually went to school, read the textbooks and listened to the teacher.

Yeah, that's what the posts I was talking about said, right before posting faked magazine articles to back up those "recollections". Assuming those claims were genuine, it just goes to show how fickle human memory can be. Especially when there's money to be made by exploiting its weaknesses.

 

[KCfromNC]

First of all, the measurement of the CO2 hundreds of thousands of years ago is done using methods of looking back in the past. The current measurements are done using completely different methods. In order to compare measurements, it would be best to use the same methods to get results that are consistent.

According to who?

 

[Nithavela]

I didn't forget a thing fewer people mean less meat is being eaten, 2+2=4

Aah, I see. Well, then I fullheartedly agree.

I think we should reduce the population by 100%.

 

[Gigimo]

Aah, I see. Well, then I fullheartedly agree.

I think we should reduce the population by 100%.

No need just let natural selection take its course and things would probably be fine. When man started paying folks to stay alive (to vote I'm assuming) that started the issue.

 

[Nithavela]

No need just let natural selection take its course and things would probably be fine. When man started paying folks to stay alive (to vote I'm assuming) that started the issue.

Na, I think we should just make sure and do away with the whole species.

 

[Kentonio]

Were not. I agree with you there. Look, the climate is changing. I'm not denying that. I just do not believe we are in control of this cosmos. A lot of record breaking everything, even in the heavens has been occuring. We are not in control of it, and to think that we are the only 'thing' that can either cause or stop our own destruction is a bit naive in my point of veiw.

I mean what kid of megalomania is it that mankind thinks it is the only force in all of existence that can create or destroy its own existence. Are we realy that powerful? Do we realy have everything figured out and in our own control?

Let me ask you one question: do you believe humans were responsible for causing the hole in the ozone layer?

 

[LostMarbels]

Let me ask you one question: do you believe humans were responsible for causing the hole in the ozone layer?

I have no idea. I have never seen it. I understand that has been the concept since my childhood in the 80's, but I don't know what caused it.

 

[Kentonio]

I have no idea. I have never seen it. I understand that has been the concept since my childhood in the 80's, but I don't know what caused it.

It was caused by human manufactured chemicals used in a wide range of products. We know this for a fact, because once the problem was recognized and a ban put in place on the use of those chemicals, the hole in the ozone layer started to heal and return to the levels it was at before we started using those chemicals in large quantities.

None of this is speculative, there was a serious global problem caused by humans, we recognized what caused it, and our subsequent actions reversed the damage.

So yes, we are more than capable of causing global scale damage to the world, and equally more than capable of acting to prevent that continuing.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

So yes, we are more than capable of causing global scale damage to the world, and equally more than capable of acting to prevent that continuing.

Also our technology for making impacts on planetary scale for good or worse is increasing by the day.

First powered flight was Decembet 17th 1903.....Moon landing was July 20, 1969. It is pretty naive to think that we will never be able to combat stuff like solar flares, asteroid impacts, earthquakes, tornadoes and whatever else we will come across as we start colonizing and economically exploiting rest of the solar system.

 

[LostMarbels]

It was caused by human manufactured chemicals used in a wide range of products. We know this for a fact, because once the problem was recognized and a ban put in place on the use of those chemicals, the hole in the ozone layer started to heal and return to the levels it was at before we started using those chemicals in large quantities.

None of this is speculative, there was a serious global problem caused by humans, we recognized what caused it, and our subsequent actions reversed the damage.

So yes, we are more than capable of causing global scale damage to the world, and equally more than capable of acting to prevent that continuing.

Have you seen it? I understand the writings of scientists but how do we know what is or is not correct if we cannot observe it ourselves. I have issues trusting what only others can present to me, even tho they themselves have never seen it either. They have heard, or read about it. Watched documentaries, but never observed it themselves. To me it actualy borders on belief. People believe it and they adhere to it simply because it makes sense to them. Honestly, to me, without being able to disprove or prove either, both possibilities remain valid.

That being said, I think we should be responsible with CFCs, GHG and the like, because it quite possibly could cause harm to our atmosphere/environment. But I am not completely convinced man is responsible to the degree we are told. So you err on caution, reduce pollution. I do not believe mankind is able to control the earth, or that they are causing WHAT IS HAPPENING. Not denying climate change. Just don't agree on the causation. I believe we are only part of a natural process that would take place even without our presence.

**Very interested in this conversation. If you have knowledge to teach I am willing to listen. Get as deep, nerdy, and technical as you want. I will respond but have to hit the sack.**

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

I have issues trusting what only others can present to me, even tho they themselves have never seen it either.

Like the air you breathe ? Like gravity when you fall down ? Like Xrays that you get at doctor when you break your bones ? Like the pressure that crushes you if your submarine hits too deep ?

 

[LostMarbels]

Like the air you breathe ? Like gravity when you fall down ? Like Xrays that you get at doctor when you break your bones ? Like the pressure that crushes you if your submarine hits too deep ?

Come on man. There is not a single example you presented that cannot be empirically proven by anyone with the desire to test it. Many of them within your own home.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Come on man. There is not a single example you presented that cannot be empirically proven by anyone with the desire to test it. Many of them within your own home.

All something you can not see. Ozone layer is quite well understood not like it is dark energy or something.

Why not suspend your disbelief if you do not know anything about a subject ? If you have no clue and there is a scientific consensus about a matter or at least a strong majority of experts why not believe it ?

When you get enough expertise on the matter to prove currents theories wrong feel free to present your discoveries to advance science.

 

[Gigimo]

Thousands of Fish Dead After Sewage Spills in 3 Alabama Rivers | Grand View Outdoors

 

[LostMarbels]

All something you can not see. Ozone layer is quite well understood not like it is dark energy or something.

Why not suspend your disbelief if you do not know anything about a subject ? If you have no clue and there is a scientific consensus about a matter or at least a strong majority of experts why not believe it ?

When you get enough expertise on the matter to prove currents theories wrong feel free to present your discoveries to advance science.

What is this 3rd grade? However, O3 vrs Einstein. That could be interesting.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah, that's what the posts I was talking about said, right before posting faked magazine articles to back up those "recollections". Assuming those claims were genuine, it just goes to show how fickle human memory can be. Especially when there's money to be made by exploiting its weaknesses.

Some of us have good memories.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

What is this 3rd grade?

At least here plenty of 3rd graders have no trouble believing in concepts that do not necessarily have physical form but have been proven to be viable scientific constructs.....

 

[LostMarbels]

At least here plenty of 3rd graders have no trouble believing in concepts that do not necessarily have physical form but have been proven to be viable scientific constructs.....

Existence is not limited to man's own understanding, nor is it fully understood by mankind. Man is neither the author, nor the creator, and is vastly limited in scope.

I love how the scientific community mocks faith, even as they wholeheartedly accept theory as fact, and the prosthelytized teachings of science as absolute.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Timothy was to stay away from such false teachings which contradicted the "sound doctrine" even tho it was falsely called 'science', or knowledge.

God created this earth. He alone is in control of it. Man has no more power over this earth than their own creation, as in, having been brought into existence.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Existence is not limited to man's own understanding, nor is it fully understood by mankind. Man is neither the author, nor the creator, and is vastly limited in scope.

This is hardly an excuse to be ignorant of scientific reality. Or well that is what it is. An excuse.