LDS LDS Jesus Could Have Lost His Godhood

[He is the way]

So you disagree with your buddy?

I am relying on what I believe here, not totally on what is written. Like I have said before, no two people believe the exact same thing about the everything, and that is okay. That being said the most important thing is that people repent of their sins and thereafter keep the commandments. That is the whole duty of man:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[mmksparbud]

I am relying on what I believe here, not totally on what is written. Like I have said before, no two people believe the exact same thing about the everything, and that is okay. That being said the most important thing is that people repent of their sins and thereafter keep the commandments. That is the whole duty of man:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

And there you have the basic problem with Mormonism---they have placed believe in the writings of JS above the word of God. It is the word of God that states who God is. Every cult, or gang will first---destroy what the person relies on for direction. With religious cults, they remove the bible, with gangs, they remove the authority of the parents, or person bringing up the child. They replace authority with their words, or writing. It is what Mormonism does--JS first had to get rid of the bible so he says that only he has the truth and the bible is not accurate. It is just what has to be done for the takeover of the individual. Mohamed did it, Scientology does it, Jim Jones, David Koresh, they all do it. And on down the road, every time, the leaders end up with having young girls as wives because God told them to and the stupid parents line up their little girls to the false prophets. You spout verses, but you do not believe in the bible, you believe in JS. It is like talking to a robot----just repeating words that do not pass through the heart. Self is elevated, God is degraded, feelings replace the words of the Holy Spirit.

 

[He is the way]

And there you have the basic problem with Mormonism---they have placed believe in the writings of JS above the word of God. It is the word of God that states who God is. Every cult, or gang will first---destroy what the person relies on for direction. With religious cults, they remove the bible, with gangs, they remove the authority of the parents, or person bringing up the child. They replace authority with their words, or writing. It is what Mormonism does--JS first had to get rid of the bible so he says that only he has the truth and the bible is not accurate. It is just what has to be done for the takeover of the individual. Mohamed did it, Scientology does it, Jim Jones, David Koresh, they all do it. And on down the road, every time, the leaders end up with having young girls as wives because God told them to and the stupid parents line up their little girls to the false prophets. You spout verses, but you do not believe in the bible, you believe in JS. It is like talking to a robot----just repeating words that do not pass through the heart. Self is elevated, God is degraded, feelings replace the words of the Holy Spirit.

The Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price are the word of God. They help God's children learn the importance of LOVE and becoming like our Father in heaven.

 

[mmksparbud]

The Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price are the word of God. They help God's children learn the importance of LOVE and becoming like our Father in heaven.

No, they are not--you have chosen to believe they are. You have chosen to believe they are more accurate than the bile---you are driving away and grieving the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not need them, neither did any of the OT peoples, nor the disciples or any of the 1st Christians before they got the NT. The NT does not mention any of JS's far fetched theories.

 

[Pedra]

And there you have the basic problem with Mormonism---they have placed believe in the writings of JS above the word of God. It is the word of God that states who God is. Every cult, or gang will first---destroy what the person relies on for direction. With religious cults, they remove the bible, with gangs, they remove the authority of the parents, or person bringing up the child. They replace authority with their words, or writing. It is what Mormonism does--JS first had to get rid of the bible so he says that only he has the truth and the bible is not accurate. It is just what has to be done for the takeover of the individual. Mohamed did it, Scientology does it, Jim Jones, David Koresh, they all do it. And on down the road, every time, the leaders end up with having young girls as wives because God told them to and the stupid parents line up their little girls to the false prophets. You spout verses, but you do not believe in the bible, you believe in JS. It is like talking to a robot----just repeating words that do not pass through the heart. Self is elevated, God is degraded, feelings replace the words of the Holy Spirit.

Spot on!

 

[Pedra]

The Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price are the word of God. They help God's children learn the importance of LOVE and becoming like our Father in heaven.

THAT is ADDING your own teachings to GOD's Word and calling THEM equal.

 

[He is the way]

No, they are not--you have chosen to believe they are. You have chosen to believe they are more accurate than the bile---you are driving away and grieving the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not need them, neither did any of the OT peoples, nor the disciples or any of the 1st Christians before they got the NT. The NT does not mention any of JS's far fetched theories.

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:47)

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

[He is the way]

THAT is ADDING your own teachings to GOD's Word and calling THEM equal.

I do recognize the word of God when I read it.

 

[mmksparbud]

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:47)

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

And none of which has anything to do with what I said.

 

[mmksparbud]

I do recognize the word of God when I read it.

No you don't! You recognize the words of JS.

 

[Peter1000]

No you don't! You recognize the words of JS.

We recognize the words of Peter and Paul, and John etc., because we believe they got their words from God. We also recognize the words of JS because we believe he got his words from God too.

In some cases the words of JS do not correspond exactly to the bible, but that is because the bible does not have 100% of God's words. Even if we had the originals it would not contain 100% of God's word.

So, we are not stuck with just the words of the bible, we know that God speaks to men in our day, and we want to know what God said to them, and so it is written down and given to us, just like in days gone by, since the beginning of the world.

If you want to be stuck in the first century, so be it, the Jews are stuck in the 14th century BC, how are they doing with that?

 

[Peter1000]

THAT is ADDING your own teachings to GOD's Word and calling THEM equal.

Would you have said that to Peter and Paul and John etc., as you received their letters about the gospel of Jesus Christ?

If you had been a Jew at that time, would you have condemned them by saying: That is ADDING your own teachings to GOD'S Word and calling THEM equal? Would you?

 

[devin553344]

Would you have said that to Peter and Paul and John etc., as you received their letters about the gospel of Jesus Christ?

If you had been a Jew at that time, would you have condemned them by saying: That is ADDING your own teachings to GOD'S Word and calling THEM equal? Would you?

It's easy to apply that logic to any false prophet. And many have and been led away from God. That argument alone does not suffice. In fact we're taught that Satan rose up after Christ was crucified to lead people away from Jesus' teachings. We're told many false prophets will arise. What makes Joseph Smith different?

1 John 4:1

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

 

[devin553344]

It's easy to apply that logic to any false prophet. And many have and been led away from God. That argument alone does not suffice. In fact we're taught that Satan rose up after Christ was crucified to lead people away from Jesus' teachings. We're told many false prophets will arise. What makes Joseph Smith different?

1 John 4:1

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

A big red flag here in the false prophet area is Joseph Smith attempting to re-institute Polygamy. And clearly something the Apostles of Jesus were teaching against when they were instructing the Church of Jesus the Christ:

1 Timothy 3:2

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife..."

 

[Peter1000]

It's easy to apply that logic to any false prophet. And many have and been led away from God. That argument alone does not suffice. In fact we're taught that Satan rose up after Christ was crucified to lead people away from Jesus' teachings. We're told many false prophets will arise. What makes Joseph Smith different?

1 John 4:1

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

The scripture you are referring to was to happen immediately after the ascension of Jesus into heaven. That was not referring to JS, he was still 2,000 years in the future and was part of the restitution of all things talked about in Acts 3:21.

The scripture you are quoting is about the apostasy that would start after Jesus ascended into heaven. And many false prophets came forth to take souls away from Christ and to their churches, and that happened, read the Didache to see how people were confused by false apostles after the apostles died and many came saying they were apostles, and were not.

But this all happened within a few years after Christ, as the bible said it would.

 

[devin553344]

The scripture you are referring to was to happen immediately after the ascension of Jesus into heaven. That was not referring to JS, he was still 2,000 years in the future and was part of the restitution of all things talked about in Acts 3:21.

The scripture you are quoting is about the apostasy that would start after Jesus ascended into heaven. And many false prophets came forth to take souls away from Christ and to their churches, and that happened, read the Didache to see how people were confused by false apostles after the apostles died and many came saying they were apostles, and were not.

But this all happened within a few years after Christ, as the bible said it would.

If Joseph Smith was restoring things, then why was he back pedaling into Polygamy? Many things in the OT were done away with when Jesus came. This includes Polygamy.

1 Timothy 3:2

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife..."

Is this on topic for the OP?

 

[Peter1000]

A big red flag here in the false prophet area is Joseph Smith attempting to re-institute Polygamy. And clearly something the Apostles of Jesus were teaching against when they were instructing the Church of Jesus the Christ:

1 Timothy 3:2

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife..."

It is true that God told the apostles that a bishop had to be the husband of one wife. Is that because some good men had more than 1 wife at that time?

You knew it was culturally OK for a Jew at that time to have more than 1 wife? Right? It was written in their law.

However, Jesus was creating a whole new testament and he re-instigated , the law of men being married to 1 wife. So from the time of Moses to the time of Jesus it was institutionally and culturally OK to have more than 1 wife. But from the time of Jesus to JS it was institutionally and a cultural norm for men to be married to 1 wife.

Does this mean that now God had boxed himself into a corner, and did not dare to institute plural marriage again? Heavens no, God does not get to be boxed in by you or a bible, or anything. If God wishes to institute plural marriage again for a specific reason and that is wisdom unto him, he gets to without a whimper from anyone that he is going against some norm.

Remember when Peter was shown pieces of unclean meat in a dream and the Lord said to eat? Well, you know the norm in Peters day had been in affect for 1400 years, God had said not to eat certain meats, and so when God said eat, Peter objected. What did God say to him? Do you remember? God said whatever I command you to eat, you eat, even unclean meat is clean to you if I command you to eat it.
This dream was a precursor for baptizing a gentile, which for 1400 years God had said it was taboo to Jews. Now God said they were clean and were to have communion with the Jews and be a part of his new church for Jews and gentiles and anyone that objected or rejected this command would be out of his kingdom. Wow, what a massive change to the norm.

So if God says that it is OK again to practice plural marriage, are you going to object and reject God's work because at one time 2000 years ago he said he wanted men to be married to only 1 wife. You might, but JS after struggling like Peter, did what the Lord commanded and in all of it, God counted his plural marriages as righteousness, and not adulterous, because he had commanded it to be done.

Yes, red flag, but after studying it out, take the red flag down. Since God commanded it, it is good.

 

[Peter1000]

If Joseph Smith was restoring things, then why was he back pedaling into Polygamy? Many things in the OT were done away with when Jesus came. This includes Polygamy.

1 Timothy 3:2

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife..."

Is this on topic for the OP?

There was a reason that it was institutionally and culturally normal for people in the OT to practice plural marriage. God wanted it to be so.

The restitution of all things included the restitution of plural marriage also. There were reasons that God re-instituted plural marriage through JS. There were reasons that he commanded it to stop too. We were well on our way by the time he said to stop. The membership of his church had reached a critical mass, and could not be put down by any man or government of men. Plural marriage had accomplished its goal.

Interestingly enough, men and governments tried to kill the church, and so reaching this critical mass was achieved outside the confines of the United States, in the country of Mexico. By the grace of God, Mexico did not want the Salt Lake Valley and we were left alone long enough to reach a critical mass and by 1890 we were OK, so God ended plural marriage. An interesting study.

 

[mmksparbud]

We recognize the words of Peter and Paul, and John etc., because we believe they got their words from God. We also recognize the words of JS because we believe he got his words from God too.

In some cases the words of JS do not correspond exactly to the bible, but that is because the bible does not have 100% of God's words. Even if we had the originals it would not contain 100% of God's word.

So, we are not stuck with just the words of the bible, we know that God speaks to men in our day, and we want to know what God said to them, and so it is written down and given to us, just like in days gone by, since the beginning of the world.

If you want to be stuck in the first century, so be it, the Jews are stuck in the 14th century BC, how are they doing with that?

We are "stuck" with the truth. You are stuck with lies. That is the plain and simple fact of it. You follow JS---we follow God's word. You can not see beyond what JS has said, he is your God---not the real God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit of the bible.

 

[devin553344]

There was a reason that it was institutionally and culturally normal for people in the OT to practice plural marriage. God wanted it to be so.

The restitution of all things included the restitution of plural marriage also. There were reasons that God re-instituted plural marriage through JS. There were reasons that he commanded it to stop too. We were well on our way by the time he said to stop. The membership of his church had reached a critical mass, and could not be put down by any man or government of men. Plural marriage had accomplished its goal.

Interestingly enough, men and governments tried to kill the church, and so reaching this critical mass was achieved outside the confines of the United States, in the country of Mexico. By the grace of God, Mexico did not want the Salt Lake Valley and we were left alone long enough to reach a critical mass and by 1890 we were OK, so God ended plural marriage. An interesting study.

Back when women were property? We used to buy and sell people too. It's also in the bible. Trying to sell polygamy huh. Yeah when I was LDS I kinda was in denial of things like that and ignored them. Now my eyes are open and I can see clearly. Thank God our government finds Polygamy immoral and therefore illegal. Now back to the OP