Is 'KJV Only" a denominational issue?

[GodLovesCats]

As some of you know, I strongly oppose the idea that it is better to learn foreign languages for the sake of exact transliteration than simply buy a readable version of the Bible. Reason being, of course, if you can't understand the Bible now, you won't read it later. I want to know if "KJV only" churches belong to specifc denominations or random pastors at any kind of church prefer it. Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

As some of you know, I strongly oppose the idea that it is better to learn foreign languages for the sake of exact transliteration than simply buy a readable version of the Bible. Reason being, of course, if you can't understand the Bible now, you won't read it later. I want to know if "KJV only" churches belong to specifc denominations or random pastors at any kind of church prefer it. Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

IMHO no you can not

 

[Call me Nic]

As some of you know, I strongly oppose the idea that it is better to learn foreign languages for the sake of exact transliteration than simply buy a readable version of the Bible. Reason being, of course, if you can't understand the Bible now, you won't read it later. I want to know if "KJV only" churches belong to specifc denominations or random pastors at any kind of church prefer it. Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

Independent Fundamental Baptist churches are almost always KJVO as a rule of thumb; it is the primary distinction we have against other baptist sects, like the Southern Baptists or the Reformed Baptists.

 

[Dansiph]

As some of you know, I strongly oppose the idea that it is better to learn foreign languages for the sake of exact transliteration than simply buy a readable version of the Bible. Reason being, of course, if you can't understand the Bible now, you won't read it later. I want to know if "KJV only" churches belong to specifc denominations or random pastors at any kind of church prefer it. Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

There is a website called militarygetsaved (not sure why it's called that) which features Independent Baptist churches. It's mostly used to locate a church near you and whether or not they use the KJV. If that's of any interest?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

As some of you know, I strongly oppose the idea that it is better to learn foreign languages for the sake of exact transliteration than simply buy a readable version of the Bible. Reason being, of course, if you can't understand the Bible now, you won't read it later. I want to know if "KJV only" churches belong to specifc denominations or random pastors at any kind of church prefer it. Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

Someone was once quoted as saying, "If the KJV was good enough for Jesus and Paul then it is good enough for me".

My view is that if a pastor in Communist China with only half a page of the New Testament in his possession can be saved and to preach the gospel from it, then it doesn't matter what version or translation we have, God's Word remains alive and powerful to bring lost souls to salvation, because is what the purpose of the Bible is.

 

[Blade]

When I was young they would say its the closet to the org writings one could get. I still believe this. But any more.. far to easy to just find how it was org written

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Someone was once quoted as saying, "If the KJV was good enough for Jesus and Paul then it is good enough for me".

My view is that if a pastor in Communist China with only half a page of the New Testament in his possession can be saved and to preach the gospel from it, then it doesn't matter what version or translation we have, God's Word remains alive and powerful to bring lost souls to salvation, because is what the purpose of the Bible is.

Satan has counterfeited everything that that is true. Look at marriage today, Moses's staff ect. why would he not counterfeit the word of GOD?

You might find this interesting concerning these new translations of the Bible.

Heresies and blasphemies of Wescott & Hort

 

[Messerve]

As some of you know, I strongly oppose the idea that it is better to learn foreign languages for the sake of exact transliteration than simply buy a readable version of the Bible. Reason being, of course, if you can't understand the Bible now, you won't read it later. I want to know if "KJV only" churches belong to specifc denominations or random pastors at any kind of church prefer it. Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

Well, I'm kind of curious how you would support your first statement there. I mean, it certainly couldn't hurt anything to know the original languages...

But since it sounds like you've already debated that, I'll just agree that aside from a few specific denominations who tend to lean KJV Only, for the most part you don't find out until you're inside.

 

[Jonaitis]

There are different kinds of KJVO, the most extreme kind I could not call 'Christian.' James White wrote on this subject in one of his books that I read (like half-way). There are some that hold the KJV to be superior to the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, and all who use any other translation is considered a heretic (I suppose Paul was one), as if the translation improved the flaws of the original tongue.

 

[Silverback]

As some of you know, I strongly oppose the idea that it is better to learn foreign languages for the sake of exact transliteration than simply buy a readable version of the Bible. Reason being, of course, if you can't understand the Bible now, you won't read it later. I want to know if "KJV only" churches belong to specifc denominations or random pastors at any kind of church prefer it. Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

They are in congregations in every denomination, but I think "bible churches" are the majority. I can handle the KJV, but the English Standard Version is what I read.

People may not know it, but the KJV we use today is not the same one printed in 1611.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Well, I'm kind of curious how you would support your first statement there. I mean, it certainly couldn't hurt anything to know the original languages.

I must be able to read the Bible NOW. If I have to learn the original languages, that is impossible. There's a reason modern English Bibles were invented: so people can read and understamd them immediately.

There are different kinds of KJVO, the most extreme kind I could not call 'Christian.' James White wrote on this subject in one of his books that I read (like half-way). There are some that hold the KJV to be superior to the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, and all who use any other translation is considered a heretic (I suppose Paul was one), as if the translation improved the flaws of the original tongue.

What are the differences?

 

[GodLovesCats]

They are in congregations in every denomination, but I think "bible churches" are the majority. I can handle the KJV, but the English Standard Version is what I read.

People may not know it, but the KJV we use today is not the same one printed in 1611.

Yet the KJV-only fanatics say they only trust the Bible written in 1611.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Yet the KJV-only fanatics say they only trust the Bible written in 1611.

Here is a summary of a length study of the NASV taken from

The New American Standard Version Exposed!


SUMMARY

1. Though this article deals exclusively with textual corruption found in the New American Standard Version (NASV); the reader may compare any modern translation against the texts listed in this article.
2. Every single word in the Bible is vitally important. Any attempt to add, delete or change a word or text in the Bible, especially in the book of Revelation, will attract the wrath of God and could result in the loss of eternal life. (Rev.22:18-19)
3. The NASV is strongly influenced by two corrupt manuscripts: Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. These have defiled the entire publication.
4. Doubt-laden Footnotes in the NASV cause one to conclude that the translators themselves do not believe the NASV (nor indeed any other translation) is the Word of God!
   In other words they are not sure. They don't know. They don't believe!
5. Bracketed Texts are also evidence that the translators do not believe that the Almighty has preserved His Word. So they include these verses - just in case.
6. The idea that Vital Doctrines are unaffected in the NASV is a fallacy.
   Some 2,886 words are missing from the Greek text that underlies the NASV.
   These words affect 356 doctrinal passages! Dare anyone accuse God of unnecessarily repeating three, four or five times the same doctrine!

Let the reader consider over and over again what is presented in this article. Because no greater deception can be aimed at the Christian Church than to make it doubt the tried and tested Word of God, the Authorized King James Bible.

 

[Silverback]

I must be able to read the Bible NOW. If I have to learn the original languages, that is impossible. There's a reason modern English Bibles were invented: so people can read and understamd them immediately.


What are the differences?

And to add to that, not everyone agrees on the Greek, and Hebrew either. And, not everyone agrees on what the language of the day was in A.D. 30 Judea either. So I will stick with the ESV.

Sorry, one last thing. The interest in the original languages is good, however, I have seen it taken to far. If you stand at the puppet and say I know what it says in your bible, but it says this in the Greek. If that goes on long enough it draws into question everything in God's Word and then people stop reading because "well, I don't know if what I'm reading is true" then you are really creating a situation where only the clergy should be interpreting the bible...sort of like a priestly class.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I am sure everyone knows the first Bible was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. That is what people translate to English from, not whatever language Judea natives wrote in the first century.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

The only people who make it a denominational issue are the KJVO crowd. They insist every other Bible is less than God's word and therefore implicate any Church which uses a different translation.

 

[com7fy8]

Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

I would say no. I have shared with what I think were fundamental independent Baptists, and they used other translation work during Bible study.

What matters is the message and ministry which comes from the translation they use.

There are King James people who may talk mainly about how everyone else is wrong, and they might not say one word about how the Holy Spirit conforms us to the image of Jesus. And they might not say one word about how we all are "called in one body" to obey how our Heavenly Father personally rules every one of us in His own peace > Colossians 3:15. And they might not talk about how the Bible says to relate in God's love >

"without complaining and disputing" > Philippians 2:13-16

"swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" > in James 1:19

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

If any independent fundamentalist King James person ever told me we need to forgive each other "even as God" > I was not listening.

And we have how our Apostle Paul has been ministering for every person to be perfected in Jesus > Colossians 1:28-29 < so, I would say, a legitimate King James ministry will mainly be busy with ministering us to be perfected in Christ, I would say.

So, in case ones are mainly and all the time criticizing people who speak in tongues, and claiming others don't have the right Bible > this is misguiding attention. And if all they do is talk about getting saved, but they do not talk about becoming perfected in Jesus, they are taking what is not a shortcut to Heaven.

And there are ones who glorify free will, but they do not talk about how God's grace in us changes us to be and love like Jesus.

So, I would say pay attention to what a minister is emphasizing and how the person is leading your attention.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Satan has counterfeited everything that that is true. Look at marriage today, Moses's staff ect. why would he not counterfeit the word of GOD?

You might find this interesting concerning these new translations of the Bible.

Heresies and blasphemies of Wescott & Hort

Jesus said that if the kingdom of darkness is divided against itself, it would fall. Satan is not going to produce a version of the Bible that would cause sinners to be saved through the truth of the gospel of Christ.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Jesus said that if the kingdom of darkness is divided against itself, it would fall. Satan is not going to produce a version of the Bible that would cause sinners to be saved through the truth of the gospel of Christ.

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Concord1968]

As some of you know, I strongly oppose the idea that it is better to learn foreign languages for the sake of exact transliteration than simply buy a readable version of the Bible. Reason being, of course, if you can't understand the Bible now, you won't read it later. I want to know if "KJV only" churches belong to specifc denominations or random pastors at any kind of church prefer it. Can i just look at a church name and assume they only read the KJV?

Interestingly enough, from what I'm given to understand, King James Onlyism originated in Seventh Day Adventism.