ICR Acts and Facts

[nolidad]

There is zero truth to this statement. It's pure creationist propaganda.

Talk is cheap- proof is what is needed!

Empirical evidence!

 

[nolidad]

Some them used to be, but a person who subscribes to the principle that "no interpretation of facts in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record." cannot be considered a scientist.

And what tribunal declared that ex-cathedra piece of verbal methane?

 

[Speedwell]

And YEC scientists absolutely believe in the scientific method- that is why they are punching aircraft carrier size holes in the dogmas of evolution.

Suppose they succeeded in falsifying the theory of evolution? What do you think would happen next?

 

[pitabread]

Talk is cheap- proof is what is needed!

Empirical evidence!

Of which you will find none for the statement that creationists are "punching aircraft carrier size holes in the dogmas of evolution." That is just creationist fantasy.

As I keep repeating the real acid test is industry. If creationist claims about evolution were really true, then the first place you would be hearing about it is from industry.

Instead when you look at the real world you find that evolution has practical application (including common descent) in various fields and even patents derived from the theory of evolution.

Any claims to the contrary are just propaganda junk from creationist organizations to convince people like you that they have relevance.

 

[nolidad]

YECs will not eliminate or refine their hypotheses based on experimental finding. Their hypotheses, that the earth is 6000 years old, there was a global flood etc, is set in stone. Instead they are forced to reject any and all evidence that conflicts with their hypothesis. That is not following the scientific method.

And evolutionists will not refine nor eliminate their belief that all life started from a simple whatever and through random, undirected, unplanned mutations life bloomed to its present biodiversity. Instead they are forced to reject any and all evidence that conflicts with their presuppositional bias and indoctrinated belief system

 

[Speedwell]

And what tribunal declared that ex-cathedra piece of verbal methane?

It is implicit in the scientific method that the conclusions of science and the evidence on which they rest should not be dismissed for reasons of ideology.

 

[nolidad]

Suppose they succeeded in falsifying the theory of evolution? What do you think would happen next?

Hopefully, many of those who are agnostic and atheists will come to know Jesus as Savior- but chaos in the science world would break out!

 

[pitabread]

Hopefully, many of those who are agnostic and atheists will come to know Jesus as Savior

This just speaks to the fact that creationism has nothing to do with science and everything to do with religion.

 

[nolidad]

It is implicit in the scientific method that the conclusions of science and the evidence on which they rest should not be dismissed for reasons of ideology.

then both sides have abandoned the scientific method- if it is an unwritten (secret) dogma.

But when you look at their videos, look at their technical papers you see strict adherence to the scientific method.

Just like you cannot get a YEC sciewntist to reject approx 6,000 years, so you will not get an evolutionist to believe in nearly 14 billion years.

 

[Speedwell]

And evolutionists will not refine nor eliminate their belief that all life started from a simple whatever and through random, undirected, unplanned mutations life bloomed to its present biodiversity.

They would if there was evidence for it.

Instead they are forced to reject any and all evidence that conflicts with their presuppositional bias and indoctrinated belief system

Baseless and offensive slander. That's how creation "scientists" work, but not real scientists, not in an endeavor in which fame and fortune await a scientist who can actually disprove some other scientists' theory.

 

[nolidad]

This speaks to the fact that creationism has nothing to do with science and everything to do with religion.

that is absolute silliness. One can be a scientist and still know Christ! as is proven by the tens of thoudans of Scientists who are Christian worldwide

Wanting to see the lost spared an eternity of torment does not degrade ones scientific ability.

 

[pitabread]

One can be a scientist and still know Christ! as is proven by the tens of thoudans of Scientists who are Christian worldwide

And I didn't say anything to the contrary of this statement.

What I said (read carefully), is that creationism has nothing to do with science and everything to do with religion.

Wanting to see the lost spared an eternity of torment does not degrade ones scientific ability.

Oh look, you're resorting to threats again. *tsk tsk*

 

[nolidad]

Of which you will find none for the statement that creationists are "punching aircraft carrier size holes in the dogmas of evolution." That is just creationist fantasy.

As I keep repeating the real acid test is industry. If creationist claims about evolution were really true, then the first place you would be hearing about it is from industry.

Instead when you look at the real world you find that evolution has practical application (including common descent) in various fields and even patents derived from the theory of evolution.

Creationist claims to the contrary are just propaganda junk. And you've fallen for it.

Well you can stay with your head buried in the sands of talk origins but it doesn't alter the truth.

Show me one patent that has come not as a side effect of research into evolution but as a direct result of evolution itself. IOW some transplant procedure, or whatever. I can't think of many benefits opf teh belief in evolution other than it employs hundreds of thousands who get billions of dollars courtesy of taxpayers world wide!

 

[nolidad]

Oh look, you're resorting to threats again. *tsk tsk*

Well you can reject His love, die in that state and find out if I am a fool or warning of disaster for rejecting the One who loves you intensely. YOu are free to call it anything you wish.

 

[nolidad]

What I said (read carefully), is that creationism has nothing to do with science and everything to do with religion.

And that would be 100% incorrect!

 

[Speedwell]

Hopefully, many of those who are agnostic and atheists will come to know Jesus as Savior...

Many scientists already do, and those who do not might still reject the theology behind YECism. I certainly would not become an Evangelical Protestant just because the theory of evolution was overturned.

...but chaos in the science world would break out!

No chaos, just exiting new opportunities for research. Science is quite used to having major theories overturned. In science, that's called progress.

 

[pitabread]

Well you can stay with your head buried in the sands of talk origins but it doesn't alter the truth.

You're projecting.

Show me one patent that has come not as a side effect of research into evolution but as a direct result of evolution itself.

I posted examples previously (can't remember if it was in this thread or not), but you've already set yourself up to hand wave them away. That's been your modus operandi thus far in this thread.

I can't think of many benefits opf teh belief in evolution other than it employs hundreds of thousands who get billions of dollars courtesy of taxpayers world wide!

You've been given practical examples in this thread. You choose to ignore them though and I understand why: admitting to practical application of evolution would be given the ToE credit. And that's something most creationists are not comfortable with.

 

[Jimmy D]

And evolutionists will not refine nor eliminate their belief that all life started from a simple whatever and through random, undirected, unplanned mutations life bloomed to its present biodiversity. Instead they are forced to reject any and all evidence that conflicts with their presuppositional bias and indoctrinated belief system

"Whatabout! whatabout!"

We were discussing YEC “scientists".

Do you accept my post was accurate then?

 

[nolidad]

Baseless and offensive slander. That's how creation "scientists" work, but not real scientists, not in an endeavor in which fame and fortune await a scientist who can actually disprove some other scientists' theory.

Baseless and offensive slander. Thats how evolution "scientists" work, but not real scientists, not in an endeavor in which integrity and truth are the issue!

See you show yourself the great flaw and fatal motive of evolutionsary scientists. Fame and fortune if they can best someopne else. And by besting, it is not the theory itself but soem little tweak to the overall theory. The theory itself is sacro sanct and to touch it is to die professional death.

 

[Speedwell]

that is absolute silliness. One can be a scientist and still know Christ! as is proven by the tens of thoudans of Scientists who are Christian worldwide

Wanting to see the lost spared an eternity of torment does not degrade ones scientific ability.

Of course, but rejecting the conclusions of science and the evidence on which they rest for ideological reasons certainly does.

 

[pitabread]

Well you can reject His love, die in that state and find out if I am a fool or warning of disaster for rejecting the One who loves you intensely. YOu are free to call it anything you wish.

When you resort to fear to spread your message, it's not a message I'm interested in. If your god wants people to believe in them out of fear, then it's not a god I'm interested in.

Any conversion based on fear will not be an honest one.