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Name a nation greater than the US and why

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Didn’t your country start as a penal colony? Doesn’t your country to this day hold asylum seekers on an off shore island in conditions worse than at our boarder. And hold them there for years?

Has Australia ever claimed to have been founded upon freedom, liberty and justice for all or ever proclaimed in a Declaration of Independence that ALL men are created equal like the United States of America has? Did Australia ever claim to be the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave while it was systemically denying minorities rights and equality to white people for 188 years of its own history?
 
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The US is the greatest country on earth. In history of ever.

Sure, we have the highest incarceration rate, and the highest homicide rate of any western country, which is due to our society and not because of the prevalence of guns, and our healthcare system is expensive and inefficient, but that doesn't stop us from being the greatest ever because of...reasons.

I would like to add my two cents...

I don't think 55 years of racial equality for minorities is such a monumental accomplishment for a 243 year old country that has always claimed to be founded upon freedom, liberty and justice for all.
 
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I don't think 55 years of racial equality for minorities is such a monumental accomplishment for a 243 year old country that has always claimed to be founded upon freedom, liberty and justice for all.

For 188 years in the United States, black people and other minorities were racially oppressed, subjugated, segregated, discriminated against and denied equality to white people.

For 89 years in the United States, slavery was legal and black people were believed to be inferior to white people. They were enslaved, beaten and killed because of the color of their skin.

For 99 years after slavery was abolished in the United States, the descendants of the freed slaves were then denied equality to white people and they were legally segregated from white people until the Civil Rights Movement in 1964. Black people were also denied the right to vote (despite the Thirteenth Amendment) until the Jim Crow Laws were abolished by the Voting Rights Act in 1965. It took three years after the landmark Brown v. Board of Education case in 1954 for black children to finally be allowed to attend public schools with white children. No more Separate but Equal.

For 148 years in the United States, Native Americans were denied United States citizenship until the American Indian Citizenship Act in 1924. Native Americans were also denied religious freedom for 202 years until the American Indian Religious Freedom Act in 1978. Native American religious dances such as the Ghost Dance and the Sun Dance were both illegal and punishable by imprisonment.

It has been an ongoing struggle and battle for LGBT American citizens to obtain civil rights and equality and it has been an uphill battle for them to fight against religious-based discrimination.

There are specific reasons why a multitude of civil rights groups and social justice groups still exist in the United States, despite being supposedly founded on freedom, liberty and justice for all.

1. I believe you posted this earlier (not sure if it was in this thread or another thread). I think I even "liked" your post.

2. I'm not sure why you posted this in response to my post. It seems to be a bit of a non-sequitur. Perhaps your sarcasm detector is broken?
 
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1. I believe you posted this earlier (not sure if it was in this thread or another thread). I think I even "liked" your post.

2. I'm not sure why you posted this in response to my post. It seems to be a bit of a non-sequitur. Perhaps your sarcasm detector is broken?

I edited my post to say that I wanted to add my two cents. I should have been clearer on that point. I agree with what you said and I thought I would add my own thoughts to it, but I wasn't clear on that.
 
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I don’t believe in the overall picture there is a greater nation that the US.

Does that mean it is perfect? No

But it’s the best in the world.

Don’t agree, ok. Which one is better and why.

Depends what your criteria are. In terms of things you can average out, like length and quality of life, income, health and so on the US is behind most other developed countries. Same for general levels of education, literacy, access to healthcare, things like that. If by greatness you mean impact on the world stage, then certainly the US is a leading force. The whole mix of cultures in the US has also led to some fantastic examples of cultural 'greatness', and US culture has a worldwide influence.
 
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I think it is fair to say that whether you think the United States is great or not, there is no other country in the world you would rather have on your side.
I certainly tend to disagree with you, but I have to agree on this point.
 
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All ‘Romes’ eventually fall....and they usually collapse from within...
Yeah...after seeing the DNC debate I think the collapse is sooner than I thought. Everyone who watched it deserves reparations.
 
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This is always said unironically.
But what’s so bad about that?
Sigh...because only law abiding citizens will be unarmed and unable to protect themselves from the criminals with guns.
 
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This is always said unironically.
But what’s so bad about that?

Gonna create A LOT of felons overnight. I seriously doubt most gun owners would comply with unconstitutional confiscation orders.
 
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Gonna create A LOT of felons overnight. I seriously doubt most gun owners would comply with unconstitutional confiscation orders.
I seriously doubt anyone would ever issue them.
 
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I seriously doubt anyone would ever issue them.

If Warren, Harris, or Booker get their way, you better believe it. I'm not too worried about them getting the nod though...looks like at this point Biden is a shoe-in even if he smells a few more people without consent.
 
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Gonna create A LOT of felons overnight. I seriously doubt most gun owners would comply with unconstitutional confiscation orders.
Yep...and I would be one of them.
 
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So when you theoretically make the United states one giant gun free zone, what is the plan to make

Yep...and I would be one of them.

Then the US is a target for invasion and mass shootings everywhere.

Two words: Plausible deniability :)
 
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We took up arms while other countries achieved the same goal without bloodshed. I don’t see how that’s a mark for our greatest.
Nope. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are technically still under the rule of the British monarchy as a semi-intependent states. Which is why they have the Queen of England on their currency. They absolutely did not "achieve the same goal without bloodshed".
 
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I don’t believe in the overall picture there is a greater nation that the US.

Does that mean it is perfect? No

But it’s the best in the world.

Don’t agree, ok. Which one is better and why.

First,

In your opinion, what criteria should be used to measure greatness?
 
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The US is the greatest country on earth. In history of ever.

Sure, we have the highest incarceration rate, and the highest homicide rate of any western country, which is due to our society and not because of the prevalence of guns, and our healthcare system is expensive and inefficient, but that doesn't stop us from being the greatest ever because of...reasons.
Our healthcare system, although expensive, has been the source of more medical advancement and innovation than any other country in the world. While all the other, "more affordable" countries have much high mortality rates for diseases like cancer. Yes, if you have cancer, there is no better place to be cured than the US.
 
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Our healthcare system, although expensive, has been the source of more medical advancement and innovation than any other country in the world. While all the other, "more affordable" countries have much high mortality rates for diseases like cancer. Yes, if you have cancer, there is no better place to be cured than the US.

Wrong. If you have cancer, and have wealth, there is no better place to be cured than the US. For the poor, the US isn't a good place to treat cancer.
 
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You responded to my post with a sentence fragment. Not sure what i'm supposed to do with this.



Good to know that you only follow laws that you agree with.
Well, it is not good to know that you would willingly disarm yourself and leave your family vulnerable to an armed criminal breaking into your home to kill you, steal your belongings and rape your family to appease a tyrannical government.
 
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