Does willful sin separate the elect from God?

[Phil W]

So, are you telling us you do not sin?

Yes, to the glory of God and His liberating Son, Jesus Christ.

 

[Phil W]

Love Covers a multitude of Sin.

But more specifically this; Mark 3:28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,

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And... according to your own words; 1 John 2:2 and 2 Corinthians 5:21... as well as 2 Corinthians 5:19 ... are all proof texts that the doctrine being taught in the above quoted blurb... teach that Jesus Christ is wicked, as He Justifies Sinners and Crucified the Charges Against us in HIS very own flesh!

I don't know how you came up with that reaction.
All men can have all their sins forgiven...which BTW allows them to say "I have no sin"...
Even the people whose repentance turns out to be a lie are clean for a while...at least till the next sin.
But some folk's repentance, turn from sin, is not a lie, and they receive all the helps from heaven to continue on in the light.
Thanks be to God.

 

[Phil W]

1 John 1:8?

1 John 2:1b: Our Advocate for sins committed while walking in the light.

You have just introduced sin into the light-God.
People who remain in the light do not commit any kind of sin.
BTW, all sin is intentional. (James 1:14-15)
There is no temptation in a so-called "unintentional" sin.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You have just introduced sin into the light-God.
People who remain in the light do not commit any kind of sin.
BTW, all sin is intentional. (James 1:14-15)
There is no temptation in a so-called "unintentional" sin.

You are mistaken. 1 John 1:7 is about a Christian walking in the light, and yet at the end of the verse the blood of Jesus is still cleansing them of sin. What kind of sin can one commit while walking in the light?

"All sin is intentional"? I see you didn't study for yourself, or you would know better.

 

[Hollow Man]

Sorry, Phil, but I stand behind 1 John 1:8-10.

If you don't like it, then take it up with God.

 

[Phil W]

You are mistaken. 1 John 1:7 is about a Christian walking in the light, and yet at the end of the verse the blood of Jesus is still cleansing them of sin.

" But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7)
The cleansing happens before you are in the light.
There is no sin in God-light.

What kind of sin can one commit while walking in the light?

None, as there is no sin in God.

"All sin is intentional"? I see you didn't study for yourself, or you would know better.

I read what is written.
My perspective is from in the light.
I have no reason to justify sin.

 

[Phil W]

Sorry, Phil, but I stand behind 1 John 1:8-10.

If you don't like it, then take it up with God.

I stand behind it too, but I realize the two verses, and verse 6, are addressed to the folks who walk in darkness-sin.
Not to those who walk in the light-God.

 

[Grip Docility]

I stand behind it too, but I realize the two verses, and verse 6, are addressed to the folks who walk in darkness-sin.
Not to hose who walk in the light-God.

No

1 Jn 1:8 Cross References (27 Verses)

 

[Phil W]

No

1 Jn 1:8 Cross References (27 Verses)

Did Jesus lie in John 8:32-34?
We can't really be freed from committing sin?
Thanks be to God He was telling the truth.
The truth CAN free us from service to sin!

 

[Grip Docility]

Did Jesus lie in John 8:32-34?
We can't really be freed from committing sin?
Thanks be to God He was telling the truth.
The truth CAN free us from service to sin!

Romans 8:2

Context wins.

 

[Phil W]

Romans 8:2

Context wins.

The context of those walking in darkness/sin?
Or the context of those walking in the light/God?
Both are addressed, alternately, in 1 John 1.

 

[Grip Docility]

The context of those walking in darkness/sin?
Or the context of those walking in the light/God?
Both are addressed, alternately, in 1 John 1.

Jesus set us free from the Charges of the Law.

The Law has only been fulfilled by Jesus. Not one moment in our flesh is righteous by the Law.

You quoted Portions of Paul in Romans 8 that you eluded supported sinless doctrine.

I quoted Romans 8:2 to proof we are free from condemnation of the Law, not sinlessly perfect in our flesh.

God’s Flesh is Sinlessly Perfect. Our flesh is not.

Scriptural whack a mole, disengaged.

 

[CharismaticLady]

There is no sin in God-light.

Right, because our unknown trespasses against one another, our lack of perfections are automatically cleansed by our Advocate.

None, as there is no sin in God.

Right, our imperfections are automatically cleansed showing no sin in God.

I read what is written.
My perspective is from in the light.
I have no reason to justify sin.

Your apathy to dig deeper is not in the light. Those who think they know it all, are far from perfect. But they are cleansed and perfected once you go back into the light.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Jesus set us free from the Charges of the Law.

And what are the charges of the Law? Sin! Jesus set us free from SIN! John 8:34-36, and in so doing, automatically sets us free from the law of sin and death. How? By giving us His Spirit who DOES NOT SIN. The Spirit of life in Christ has freed us from the law of sin and death.

 

[Grip Docility]

And what are the charges of the Law? Sin! Jesus set us free from SIN! John 8:34-36, and in so doing, automatically sets us free from the law of sin and death. How? By giving us His Spirit who DOES NOT SIN. The Spirit of life in Christ has freed us from the law of sin and death.

Me thinks this is either semantics... or a claim of sinless perfection.

Which is it?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Me thinks this is either semantics... or a claim of sinless perfection.

Which is it?

What was prophesied that the Messiah would do?

To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,

Can you confirm that Jesus did what He came to do in you?

 

[ViaCrucis]

I hope you aren't saying that is a bad thing.

I'd call trampling down the Cross of Jesus Christ, denying the Gospel, and shipwrecking your faith a bad thing, yes.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Grip Docility]

What was prophesied that the Messiah would do?

To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,

Can you confirm that Jesus did what He came to do in you?

Remove the sin of the land in a single day. (Zechariah 3)

Go and learn what He came for sinners means. The “Righteous” deny their need for Him.

We don’t dare increase the burden of Faith towards Works... but build one another up with Love, Prayer and the sharing of burdens, forgiveness, and perpetual Hope.

I do not trample the precious Blood that Propitiates, Atones, Justifies and allows Him to seal us with His Holy Spirit.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Remove the sin of the land in a single day. (Zechariah 3)

Go and learn what He came for sinners means. The “Righteous” deny their need for Him.

We don’t dare increase the burden of Faith towards Works... but build one another up with Love, Prayer and the sharing of burdens, forgiveness, and perpetual Hope.

I do not trample the precious Blood that Propitiates, Atones, Justifies and allows Him to seal us with His Holy Spirit.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.

I certainly don't trample His blood. Paul says that willful sinning is what does that. If you willfully sin, then you ARE trampling on His blood and the Spirit of Grace.

 

[Grip Docility]

I certainly don't trample His blood. Paul says that willful sinning is what does that. If you willfully sin, then you ARE trampling on His blood and the Spirit of Grace.

If one says that they have no sin, points out that someone else is willfully sinning or teaches that the Law has a say over the residence of the Holy Spirit, that dwells within a Sainted Sinner... they are indeed willfully sinning, trampling the blood... and in danger of aligning with all the not so pleasant scripture reserved for such shenanigans.

As long as you aren’t doing any of those things... Sure.

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling is Paul’s way of reminding us about our planks, lest we fall to pick the speck from a brothers eye.

That’s my opinion on what Paul says... anyhow.