Tankers burn in Gulf of Oman off Iran after 'reported attack'

[redleghunter]

They'll invent or contrive something, I'm sure.

This is #IraqHasWMDredux.

In your opinion Iran is completely out of this picture?

 

[redleghunter]

I am glad the incident was responded to with a tweet.

Sometimes more powerful than gunpowder.

 

[thecolorsblend]

In your opinion Iran is completely out of this picture?

Some of Trump's domestic political allies don't think it was Iran. A lot of Trump's domestic political opponents don't think it was Iran. The Japanese don't think it was Iran. The Iranians don't think it was Iran.

Why should I blindly accept Trump's word on this when a lot of members of his administration are on the record from way back wanting to provoke war somehow with Iran? If there's actual proof of Iran's culpability... well, even then I doubt I'd give a care, it's not worth going to war over, but considering the number of neocons infesting the Trump administration, I'm afraid I'll need to see some genuine evidence. I'll settle for a voluntary, signed, notarized and videotaped confession from all of the perpetrators.

What can I say? That whole "Iraq has WMD" episode taught me a few lessons.

 

[tulc]

Where's the evidence for that?

tulc(has waited several months for a set up to use this)

 

[redleghunter]

tulc(has waited several months for a set up to use this)

So no evidence.

 

[redleghunter]

Some of Trump's domestic political allies don't think it was Iran. A lot of Trump's domestic political opponents don't think it was Iran. The Japanese don't think it was Iran. The Iranians don't think it was Iran.

Why should I blindly accept Trump's word on this when a lot of members of his administration are on the record from way back wanting to provoke war somehow with Iran? If there's actual proof of Iran's culpability... well, even then I doubt I'd give a care, it's not worth going to war over, but considering the number of neocons infesting the Trump administration, I'm afraid I'll need to see some genuine evidence. I'll settle for a voluntary, signed, notarized and videotaped confession from all of the perpetrators.

What can I say? That whole "Iraq has WMD" episode taught me a few lessons.

Then who is planting mines and making vessel hulls explode? Scottish Presbyterians?

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Theres a pretty decent video on this topic called " Corporate News Pushes Iran War For Trump" posted by the Jimmy Dore Show channel. In the beginning he shows a recent clip by some guy in Washington admitting how they try to get presidents to go war and uses examples of created incidents to get them there. The guy (whose channel it is) does a really good job of calling BS on the whole Iran thing but uses the F word so I can't post the actual video (don't want to defile tender ears) but its worth the watch, as some others have pointed out there is conflicting reports.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Then who is planting mines and making vessel hulls explode?

Who, indeed?

 

[redleghunter]

Theres a pretty decent video on this topic called " Corporate News Pushes Iran War For Trump" posted by the Jimmy Dore Show channel. In the beginning he shows a recent clip by some guy in Washington admitting how they try to get presidents to go war and uses examples of created incidents to get them there. The guy (whose channel it is) does a really good job of calling BS on the whole Iran thing but uses the F word so I can't post the actual video (don't want to defile tender ears) but its worth the watch, as some others have pointed out there is conflicting reports.

Trump has not been itching for a war.

We are in this mess with Iran due to the bad deal Kerry and Obama made with a terrorist nation.

 

[redleghunter]

Who, indeed?

Take an educated guess. Morgan Stanley?

 

[Gigimo]

Where's the evidence for that?

Insinuation is enough you should know that by now.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Trump has not been itching for a war.

We are in this mess with Iran due to the bad deal Kerry and Obama made with a terrorist nation.

I didn't say Trump was itching for a war, but I will say I don't believe this is anything less than a false flag type thing, whether Trump bites on that or not (which looks like he is). Although I didn't believe Assad launched a chemical attack on his own people.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Trump has not been itching for a war.

We are in this mess with Iran due to the bad deal Kerry and Obama made with a terrorist nation.

I'm no admirer of Barack, as you know. But he had two choices:

01- Make the deal
02- Go to war

He chose to make a crummy, lousy, third-rate, amateur night, hackjob, joke of a deal. But it was still a deal, it avoided war with Iran and (if Iraq is prologue) it was cheaper than a war with Iran would've been anyway.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Take an educated guess. Morgan Stanley?

I'll be politic about it and suggest Saudi Arabia. You know, an actual terror-exporter who, for some strange reason, seems to always be protected from American aggression. Nobody knows why though. Probably a coincidence.

 

[redleghunter]

I'm no admirer of Barack, as you know. But he had two choices:

01- Make the deal
02- Go to war

He chose to make a crummy, lousy, third-rate, amateur night, hackjob, joke of a deal. But it was still a deal, it avoided war with Iran and (if Iraq is prologue) it was cheaper than a war with Iran would've been anyway.

If you believe surrender is a better deal.

 

[thecolorsblend]

If you believe surrender is a better deal.

I believe avoiding war when our national security isn't at stake is objectively a foreign policy win. As bad as the Iran deal was, Barack scored a foreign policy win by not going to war with Iran.

 

[redleghunter]

I believe avoiding war when our national security isn't at stake is objectively a foreign policy win. As bad as the Iran deal was, Barack scored a foreign policy win by not going to war with Iran.

The problem created by the awful “deal” is that Iran has restocked their terror quiver which is a national security concern.

 

[Semper-Fi]

I'm no admirer of Barack, as you know. But he had two choices:

01- Make the deal
02- Go to war

He chose to make a crummy, lousy, third-rate, amateur night, hackjob, joke of a deal. But it was still a deal, it avoided war with Iran and (if Iraq is prologue) it was cheaper than a war with Iran would've been anyway.

No there was a third choice,
just keep the sanctions on Iran,
that was working just fine.

 

[thecolorsblend]

The problem created by the awful “deal” is that Iran has restocked their terror quiver which is a national security concern.

If Iran attacks the US, we can deal with them.

But until then, there are absolutely postively no circumstances whatsoever where I will support war with them.

 

[redleghunter]

I'll be politic about it and suggest Saudi Arabia. You know, an actual terror-exporter who, for some strange reason, seems to always be protected from American aggression. Nobody knows why though. Probably a coincidence.

Yes no good guys in the OPEC glut zone.

You don’t assess Iran as a state sponsor of terror?