Richard T
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I read through this thread and there are lots of ideas in here so I thought I would throw a couple of things out there. Feel free to disagree, nor do I condemn anyone for their own beliefs about such matters.
I remember being a new believer, baptized in the Holy Spirit and one Saturday, I had a sort of nudge in my heart. I knew God was going to do something, but I was not sure what. I awoke early Sunday morning and felt as if God would have me give a tongue the Sunday AM service. Now I do not think he normally says this so far in advance, but I was a newbie, and he knew I needed the lead time. I was pretty terrified but young and willing, though the church had probably 3,000 people. I was only going to do it if God tugged on me pretty hard. I also knew that there would have to be silence, as I certainly was NOT going to interrupt any speaker or music. Worship started, after a couple of songs, a woman started to give a tongue to all. The Pastor stopped her, said it was not time. Scared me even further. Worship continued, next a quiet time hit and I felt God say let it rip. I did, and the Pastor interpreted it. Notice the gift in I Cor says diversities in tongues. That one could give one in church for interpretation is part of that diversity. It equals a prophecy, though it is a two step process. 1 Corinthians 14:5 (KJV) 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Never mind that the first time I went to a church where I heard a tongue, I immediately, recognized the power. The tongue not the interpretation was so powerful, that it had a large role in drawing me to God. 1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV) 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
To me, anyone can be baptized and speak in tongues as evidence. It is a great experience. However, the gift "various kinds of tongues" would include: (1) the ability to give an unknown tongue in a congregation. (2) the ability to speak in a foreign tongue to a foreigner. There is much confusion between the personal prayer language in tongues and the gift, various kinds of tongues. Paul is not entirely clear on even the personal prayer language, nor does he talk about praying in tongues in a group setting.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (KJV) 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. I think God wanted some faith and reliance on him to operate in the gifts, in love. As you speak the mysteries you will learn more too.
Not too mention God says 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 (KJV) 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
"Diversity of operations," in the gift "diversity of tongues," makes for a lot of ground that Paul will not explain in a couple of chapters, nor does it lend that any one person would know every diverse operation, of every diverse gift. Mathematically, let's say there are 20 diverse operations of at least 3 types of tongues. That would give 60 different iterations, and who really knows how many there are since Paul himself does not know or say. Hard to put God in a box, when you have that revelation. The same might be said for the diversity of gifts (PLURAL) of healings. Not only will different ministers operate differently, but if you have not noticed, some seem to be able to heal certain diseases more frequently than others. Also, since the gifts are not given for us but for those whom God chooses to bless, even a donkey can speak the word of the Lord. Yes, it is better if we submit fully to God but God gives gifts without repentance and calls them forward as he wills, not our will. My apologies for being so lengthy.
I remember being a new believer, baptized in the Holy Spirit and one Saturday, I had a sort of nudge in my heart. I knew God was going to do something, but I was not sure what. I awoke early Sunday morning and felt as if God would have me give a tongue the Sunday AM service. Now I do not think he normally says this so far in advance, but I was a newbie, and he knew I needed the lead time. I was pretty terrified but young and willing, though the church had probably 3,000 people. I was only going to do it if God tugged on me pretty hard. I also knew that there would have to be silence, as I certainly was NOT going to interrupt any speaker or music. Worship started, after a couple of songs, a woman started to give a tongue to all. The Pastor stopped her, said it was not time. Scared me even further. Worship continued, next a quiet time hit and I felt God say let it rip. I did, and the Pastor interpreted it. Notice the gift in I Cor says diversities in tongues. That one could give one in church for interpretation is part of that diversity. It equals a prophecy, though it is a two step process. 1 Corinthians 14:5 (KJV) 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Never mind that the first time I went to a church where I heard a tongue, I immediately, recognized the power. The tongue not the interpretation was so powerful, that it had a large role in drawing me to God. 1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV) 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
To me, anyone can be baptized and speak in tongues as evidence. It is a great experience. However, the gift "various kinds of tongues" would include: (1) the ability to give an unknown tongue in a congregation. (2) the ability to speak in a foreign tongue to a foreigner. There is much confusion between the personal prayer language in tongues and the gift, various kinds of tongues. Paul is not entirely clear on even the personal prayer language, nor does he talk about praying in tongues in a group setting.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (KJV) 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. I think God wanted some faith and reliance on him to operate in the gifts, in love. As you speak the mysteries you will learn more too.
Not too mention God says 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 (KJV) 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
"Diversity of operations," in the gift "diversity of tongues," makes for a lot of ground that Paul will not explain in a couple of chapters, nor does it lend that any one person would know every diverse operation, of every diverse gift. Mathematically, let's say there are 20 diverse operations of at least 3 types of tongues. That would give 60 different iterations, and who really knows how many there are since Paul himself does not know or say. Hard to put God in a box, when you have that revelation. The same might be said for the diversity of gifts (PLURAL) of healings. Not only will different ministers operate differently, but if you have not noticed, some seem to be able to heal certain diseases more frequently than others. Also, since the gifts are not given for us but for those whom God chooses to bless, even a donkey can speak the word of the Lord. Yes, it is better if we submit fully to God but God gives gifts without repentance and calls them forward as he wills, not our will. My apologies for being so lengthy.
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