Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[redleghunter]

What do you think of ...
"the BAC gets absolutely everything ... and keeps all of it, IF he holds up his end of the covenant, which requires co-operating with the Holy Spirit,
ends up sincerely repenting of his sins, etc."

Romans 5 makes it clear we can only be justified once. Now if you believe we can lose our justification, even though we had nothing to do with it in the first place (other than exercising faith), then we surely can't get it back as Hebrews 6:1-6 shows.

So it's either we are truly sealed in the Holy Spirit "who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory"; or we are lost after falling away once. There's nothing in-between.

 

[BCsenior]

So it's either we are truly sealed in the Holy Spirit "who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory"; or we are lost after falling away once.

Perhaps this will help with your sealing/pledge:
Both Ephesians and Colossians were written
to "the faithful" saints, not to the unfaithful ones.
I'm into warning the unfaithful saints ...
who also are BACs ('cause they're saints too).

 

[Rescued One]

Baloney. All sheep have a choice to follow or not to follow. Since you are fond of referring to sheep, I suggest you read what Jesus taught about the lost sheep in Lk 15.
Furthermore your citation of Rom 8:29 is faulty for supporting your false belief. The word for "called" in this verse is "kaleo." It is the same word used in Gal 1:6. Those Galatians were called/kaleo - yet they turned away to follow another gospel. Thus our being glorified in Rom 8:29 is not a guarantee upon conversion but is predicated upon our continued belief and obedience.

Jesus told us that the sheep won't follow a stranger. And there is no better caretaker than Jesus Who protects us.

 

[Rescued One]

"Salutation and Theme: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel… Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached, let him (be anathema)."

The believers heed this warning. New converts could get confused, but when they see their mistakes, they correct themselves.

 

[BCsenior]

"The believers heed this warning. New converts could get confused, but when they see their mistakes, they correct themselves.

Many of the believers do NOT heed the many
dire warnings in the NT about the end results
of habitual sinning.

There are many reasons for this catastrophe
amongst the BACs!

They should know better, but there are
many reasons for this catastrophe also!

 

[redleghunter]

Perhaps this will help with your sealing/pledge:
Both Ephesians and Colossians were written
to "the faithful" saints, not to the unfaithful ones.
I'm into warning the unfaithful saints ...
who also are BACs ('cause they're saints too).

Yes but none of your plucked verses makes the case for someone who is sealed losing their Justification.

 

[Phil W]

To be sanctified means to be set apart, and
to bemade holy … and … there is a positional sanctification, and then a progressive sanctification.

If you are "set apart" and "made holy" how can one be MORE set apart and holy?

Man is made up of 3 parts (body, soul,
and spirit) … and our whole being
is to be made into Jesus’ likeness
(to attain the state of glorication)!

Doesn't 2 Cor 5:17 cover that?..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

We won't get a "glorified" body/vessel" till after our final judgement though.

 

[Phil W]

Yes the process of being conformed to the likeness of Jesus is called sanctification. Glorification is the completed process. I don’t believe we will achieve glorification in this life.

My"sanctification" was completed when the blood of Christ was applied to His new temple...me.
That happened when I was baptized into Jesus Christ and into His death, burial, and resurrection.
I walk in newness of life now...thanks be to God.

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)
"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Heb 10:14)

 

[Phil W]

You sin everyday. Lying is a sin.
Only Jesus was sinless here on earth
You came claim what you will but the truth and reality always remain.

Jesus was the first.
He said the truth would set us free...from committing sin. (John 8:32-34)
It is true !

 

[Phil W]

Are we to continue to repent? Of course as we continue to be conformed to the image of Christ we will be more aware of our failures and sins.

Yet we can only be justified once, not multiple times and justification is past tense:

Romans 5: NASB

1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God. 3And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; 4and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.​

Why would anyone need to repent "again"?
Wasn't the "first" turn from sin real?
I guess not, for those who return to the darkness.

 

[Phil W]

What do you think of ...
"the BAC gets absolutely everything ... and keeps all of it, IF he holds up his end of the covenant, which requires co-operating with
the Holy Spirit, ends up sincerely repenting
of his sins, etc."

I agree whole heartedly.

 

[redleghunter]

Why would anyone need to repent "again"?
Wasn't the "first" turn from sin real?
I guess not, for those who return to the darkness.

As in Psalm 51 godly sorrow.

 

[Phil W]

As in Psalm 51 godly sorrow.

I agree, as 2 Cor 7:10 also says..."For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."
Godly sorrow is NOT repented of.

 

[BNR32FAN]

My"sanctification" was completed when the blood of Christ was applied to His new temple...me.
That happened when I was baptized into Jesus Christ and into His death, burial, and resurrection.
I walk in newness of life now...thanks be to God.

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)
"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Heb 10:14)

Sanctification is the process of us being conformed into the likeness of Jesus. If you say that process is completed then you would never sin. Once sanctification is completed a person is then glorified. The past tense used in Hebrews 10:14 doesn’t necessarily mean the process has been completed. I can say a cake is baked in an oven and it doesn’t mean a cake has already been baked it simply describes how it is or will be baked. Another example would be the papers are processed by immigration. This doesn’t indicate that the papers that are mentioned are already processed.

 

[BCsenior]

Yes but none of your plucked verses makes the case for someone who is sealed losing their Justification.

About 20 of them CLEARLY speak of
losing eternal life, gaining eternal death,
NOT being allowed to enter the Kingdom of God,
NOT allowed into the city of the New Jerusalem,
being blotted OUT of the Book of Life, etc.

I'd be happy to send you a NT ...
... so you can read them for yourself.

 

[BCsenior]

If you are "set apart" and "made holy" how can one be MORE set apart and holy?

Rather difficult, isn't it.
How about being made LESS set apart and holy?
How about just forget the whole thing?

At the end of one's life (or perhaps before),
the Lord has every right to CANCEL a BAC's
right to eternal life with Him in heaven! ...
IF he has NOT repented sufficiently of his sins
after becoming a BAC.
(I've already proved that the new BAC
has only had his PAST sins forgiven.)

 

[BCsenior]

Jesus was the first.
He said the truth would set us free...from committing sin. (John 8:32-34). It is true!

I just cannot use that passage to refer
to Jesus setting us FREE from sin ...
because it doesn't say that specifically.

 

[BCsenior]

As in Psalm 51 godly sorrow.

Check out "godly sorrow" in 2 Corin. 7:8-9.
It produces repentance in BACs,
which leads to salvation!

 

[redleghunter]

About 20 of them CLEARLY speak of
losing eternal life, gaining eternal death,
NOT being allowed to enter the Kingdom of God,
NOT allowed into the city of the New Jerusalem,
being blotted OUT of the Book of Life, etc.

The unsystematic theology of proof texting leads to contradiction and error.

I'd be happy to send you a NT ...
... so you can read them for yourself.

I usually read the entire Bible in its context.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes but none of your plucked verses makes the case for someone who is sealed losing their Justification.

That verse says are sealed with the Holy Spirit not sealed with salvation. The Holy Spirit is like a compass always pointing us towards God. He does not steer the boat. If we fall asleep at the wheel we can wake to find ourselves way off course or perhaps even worse, shipwrecked.