ALABAMA LEGISLATORS REFUSE TO FUND MOTHER AND CHILD HEALTH CARE AS THEY BAN NEARLY ALL ABORTIONS

[mama2one]

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[Danielwright2311]

1) where we live, Drs and dentists want payment same day
so if one doesn't have good insurance or no insurance, that might prevent someone from obtaining healthcare

2) haven't been to a Dr in several yrs & am looking
been denied twice already since the GPs are so busy apparently they can say no to taking on a new pt
also, called a specialist- won't take me unless referred & told them don't have a GP & answer is no

Wow, we would not let this happen here in new mexico.

Sorry to hear this is happening to you.

 

[Sparagmos]

And make others believe the article over truth?

Why would I have a creative use of language just to amuse you?

The proposed amendment is about FUNDING healthcare. Are you claiming that anyone can walk into a doctors office and get FREE healthcare?

Prenatal care is not an emergency and no, pregnant women can’t just walk into a doctors office and get full prenatal healthcare.

 

[Danielwright2311]

The proposed amendment is about FUNDING healthcare. Are you claiming that anyone can walk into a doctors office and get FREE healthcare?

Prenatal care is not an emergency and no, pregnant women can’t just walk into a doctors office and get full prenatal healthcare.

Yes, you can, if you go to the free clinic, Any hospital, or hospice even sometimes.

See? you have to be smarter then the average bear.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

I'm beginning to think this entire forum needs to be renamed.

I've heard that squirrels are going extinct because they can't figure out how to have babies without prenatal care. No, just kidding. Squirrels are way smarter than us.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Yes, you can, if you go to the free clinic, Any hospital, or hospice even sometimes.

? This is not at all how it works. Hospice doesn't work for prenatal care. Free clinics don't exist the way you're thinking they do and don't provide the services needed for prenatal care. I don't know anyone who can go get free treatment here without some kind of insurance or membership card.

Hospitals are for complications or delivery -- they do not give prenatal care either. What they do is tell you to go to your doctor, and check you quickly to make sure there aren't alarming, obvious signs (been there, done that) --- you then have a very large bill just for that, without the actual examination you need. You then have to schedule for a doctor at a clinic and go through the actual tests. None of those are free unless you are already on assistance.

 

[Sparagmos]

Yes, you can, if you go to the free clinic, Any hospital, or hospice even sometimes.

See? you have to be smarter then the average bear.

That is simply not true, as others on this thread have pointed out. Clearly they wouldn’t have proposed an amendment in Alabama funding prenatal care if the funding already exists.

What does being smart have to do with it?

 

[bekkilyn]

Only about 25% of squirrels in the wild survive their first year of life and only about 50% every year thereafter. Squirrels adapt by having an average of about 6 babies per year to make up for all the squirrels that do not survive, and has very little to do with being smart.

Personally, I'd prefer that humans *didn't* have an average of six babies per year, but I suppose we could try providing medical care to human women by sending them out naked (since squirrels also don't need to wear clothes) into the forest to have babies and provide no care to either since humans are exactly like squirrels in every way besides appearance.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Alabama legislators refuse to fund mother and child health care as they ban nearly all abortions

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Reading on.....“The sin to me is bringing a child into this world and not taking care of them,” Coleman-Madison said. "The sin for me is that this state does not provide adequate care. We don’t provide education. And then when the child is born and we know that mother is indigent and she cannot take care of that child, we don’t provide any support systems for that mother.”

I am also pro-life and add the same all the way through the process. I am also pro-life when it comes to executions. If you claim to be pro-life, take a hard look at what it really means. You can't pick and choose life it is a right for everyone and no one has the right to take it away only God. It is hypocritical to deny help to those in distress due to pregnancy. There is a level of ignorance that I just can not understand. Behind many unwanted pregnancies is a perpetrator or dead beat father. Now Alabama can be added to the list of abandonment. Take care of your women ALABAMA!!

 

[bekkilyn]

Reading on.....“The sin to me is bringing a child into this world and not taking care of them,” Coleman-Madison said. "The sin for me is that this state does not provide adequate care. We don’t provide education. And then when the child is born and we know that mother is indigent and she cannot take care of that child, we don’t provide any support systems for that mother.”

I am also pro-life and add the same all the way through the process. I am also pro-life when it comes to executions. If you claim to be pro-life, take a hard look at what it really means. You can't pick and choose life it is a right for everyone and no one has the right to take it away only God. It is hypocritical to deny help to those in distress due to pregnancy. There is a level of ignorance that I just can not understand. Behind many unwanted pregnancies is a perpetrator or dead beat father. Now Alabama can be added to the list of abandonment. Take care of your women ALABAMA!!

And this example is EXACTLY why I believe the so-called "pro-life" *movement* to have nothing to do with life and everything to do with power.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

And this example is EXACTLY why I believe the so-called "pro-life" *movement* to have nothing to do with life and everything to do with power.

God bless!

 

[bekkilyn]

(Edited out quoted post as per above. Will leave mine since there are responses below.)

I think you misunderstood my response. The example you presented of abandonment and picking and choosing which life is important is the problem with the so-called "pro-life" *movement* as a whole. They don't care about life or else they would be supporting all of the things such as taking care of people that you mentioned in your quote and more.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I think you misunderstood my response. The example you presented of abandonment and picking and choosing which life is important is the problem with the so-called "pro-life" *movement* as a whole. They don't care about life or else they would be supporting all of the things such as taking care of people that you mentioned in your quote and more.

I agree that can be true among some people who consider themselves to be pro-life. However, that can also be true about the people who consider themselves to be pro-choice. The people who are pro-choice abandon the unborn child to choose the rights of the mother. They decide the rights of the mother are much more important than the life of the unborn child. They apparently don't care about the life of the unborn child or else they wouldn't be supporting the death penalty for the baby.

 

[bekkilyn]

I agree that can be true among some people who consider themselves to be pro-life. However, that can also be true about the people who consider themselves to be pro-choice. The people who are pro-choice abandon the unborn child to choose the rights of the mother. They decide the rights of the mother are much more important than the life of the unborn child. They apparently don't care about the life of the unborn child or else they wouldn't be supporting the death penalty for the baby.

I think it's what happens in general when these sorts of issues are made into political movements vs. actual concern for life and we can do to support it. Not just quantity of (some types of) life, but also with concern to quality of life.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Who is denied health care?

Well, i guess it depends where you are, Where i am from, no one is denied health care.

Even the poor people have state employees come to there homes and help them with care.

Because we are talking about an abolrtion law, I will not answer the question here, but earlier I posted an articlle on CNN.com that explains why pregnant women in Alabama can't easily get the care they need for carryiing and delivering unborn babies.

 

[His student]

That's because the so-called "pro-life" agenda has nothing to do with life and everything to do with control and punishment. Born people have no "right to life" and that includes the newly born. (Especially if poor or the "wrong" color.) They fight against every social policy that would help to make people's lives better.

Close to 2000 minority babies are killed through abortion every single day in the United States. There have been at least 16 million black babies killed in this way since Roe v Wade. That's close to half of the population of black people living in the United States.

Abortion has killed around 1 in every 4 black people conceived in the United States since 1973. If they had lived - the voting power of the black community would be much more powerful than it is now and more minority representation would have meant more minority related legislation and a higher standard of living for all minorities.

Women of color make up around 13% of the female child bearing aged population in our country. They constitute nearly 40% or the abortions performed and a higher percent of those done in Planned Parenthood run facilities.

They are more than 5 time more likely to have an abortion than white women of the same age.

Top that off with the fact that African American women over the age of 50 are almost 5 times more likely to die of breast cancer if they have had an abortion compared to women who had not had an abortion.

Given that a huge percentage of the male African American population is socially debilitated by drugs and or prison - and you are (if you want to consider the facts) faced with an abortion related genocide of American black people of catastrophic proportions.

No wonder the Democrats want so much to swell the population of the U.S. with beholden Hispanic voters. They're getting close to killing off their old constituency or putting them in jail so they can't vote.

Just sayin!

And this example is EXACTLY why I believe the so-called "pro-life" *movement* to have nothing to do with life and everything to do with power.

You meant to say the "pro abortion movement" didn't you?

Genocidal power over the African American community that is.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I think you misunderstood my response. The example you presented of abandonment and picking and choosing which life is important is the problem with the so-called "pro-life" *movement* as a whole. They don't care about life or else they would be supporting all of the things such as taking care of people that you mentioned in your quote and more.

Ok glad to hear that! I will delete my response.

 

[bekkilyn]

You meant to say the "pro abortion movement" didn't you?

No, I did not. When the so-called "pro-life" *movement* starts caring about ALL life, including people who are already born regardless of race or social status or nationality, or even whether or not the life is human, and get appropriately outraged, then I'll be very happy to revise my statement. Until then, I can only acknowledge that there are only a minority of individuals who are truly pro-life.

Practically no one is pro-abortion.

 

[bekkilyn]

Ok glad to hear that! I will delete my response.

I've edited your earlier quote out of my response so that it's not still hanging around! Glad we could clear things up!

 

[His student]

No, I did not. When the so-called "pro-life" *movement* starts caring about ALL life, including people who are already born regardless of race or social status or nationality, or even whether or not the life is human, and get appropriately outraged, then I'll be very happy to revise my statement. Until then, I can only acknowledge that there are only a minority of individuals who are truly pro-life......

Was there something in my post that you didn't understand concerning abortion and it's effects on the black community - or do you just want to argue?

Doesn't my pro-life outrage concerning the detrimental effects of the (what I will continue to call) pro-abortion movement on minorities count as outrage?

How about my outrage at the inner city drug blight and the disproportionate number of my black brothers in prison?

Or doesn't my outrage count because I am a Christian and political conservative and not some screaming white guilt liberal?

So - apparently - you think it's the responsibility of "pro-lifers" to deal with all other social issues besides abortion.

In addition - you seem to think that we pro-lifers have to deal with the crisis at the border and the plight of African Americans and the poor in an exact way that satisfies liberal pro-abortion types and not approach them in conservative ways. If we don't do that - are we "racists", "homophobes", and money grubbers in the eyes folks like you?

It seems that you have pretty much dumped all of the ills of society in the laps of pro-lifers and demanded that they deal with them in a manner that satisfies you and other liberals.

Anti-pro-life seems to be your main agenda here. Is it, perhaps, because, in spite of your protest, you really are "pro-abortion" and not just pro-choice?

But then, considering your stance on women preachers, loss of salvation for not worshiping on Saturday and a few other liberal vs. conservative Christian areas where you are in error - it doesn't surprise me one bit that you would take this extreme position against pro-lifers here on this thread.

By the way - I haven't yet commented on what I think of every aspect of the Alabama law. I have simply taken exception to your uninformed and extreme "anti" pro-life comments.