The Inspiration of Scripture

[redleghunter]

No, because the world itself could not contain it, but what Is Written, is binding, whether you believe it or not.

John 21:25
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

This is all the more reason to believe that the little that was written and preserved...is most necessary.

The truth is Holy Scriptures completely destroys and calls out manmade traditions and personal idols.

Psalm 119:105-112 King James Version (KJV)
105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

106 I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.

107 I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O Lord, according unto thy word.

108 Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O Lord, and teach me thy judgments.

109 My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law.

110 The wicked have laid a snare for me: yet I erred not from thy precepts.

111 Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for they are the rejoicing of my heart.

112 I have inclined mine heart to perform thy statutes alway, even unto the end. (KJV)

We find out the reason the Light coming into the world was not welcome:

John 3: NASB

19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

 

[bekkilyn]

Are you saying if the table of contents indicates Obadiah begins on page 799 and it actually starts on page 801 the fallible publisher just made the Bible fallible?

No, you asked which fallible humans wrote the bible. You can get a list of all the books they wrote by looking at the table of contents. Every single book there was written by a fallible human.

 

[Tone]

Didn’t see it. I’m not searching so it’s all good. Thanks anyway.

Try post #470

 

[redleghunter]

John 21:25
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

This is all the more reason to believe that the little that was written and preserved...is most necessary.

Is God speaking when Paul says it’s him speaking and not the Lord?[/QUOTE]
What is not negated by his statement is this:

“Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God”

 

[redleghunter]

No, you asked which fallible humans wrote the bible. You can get a list of all the books they wrote by looking at the table of contents. Every single book there was written by a fallible human.

Yet inspired by the Holy Spirit. Yes?

 

[bekkilyn]

Is God speaking when Paul says it’s him speaking and not the Lord?
What is not negated by his statement is this:

“Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God”

That means he's a messenger, not a medium.

 

[Tutorman]

No, you asked which fallible humans wrote the bible. You can get a list of all the books they wrote by looking at the table of contents. Every single book there was written by a fallible human.

It really seems here that many believe that God possessed people and made them write things. Truly many do not understand inspired

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Try post #470

Thanks. I will check it out right now

 

[bekkilyn]

Yet inspired by the Holy Spirit. Yes?

Which definition of "inspired" are we using? If it's the Oracle of Delphi version, then no.

 

[Tone]

No, you asked which fallible humans wrote the bible. You can get a list of all the books they wrote by looking at the table of contents. Every single book there was written by a fallible human.

When you disparage the writers and the writings, you disparage the work of Yah Himself...even in us who believe...take heed!

 

[redleghunter]

What is not negated by his statement is this:

“Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God”

That means he's a messenger, not a medium.[/QUOTE]
It means he is an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Which means like Solomon, Paul has the wisdom of God.

Have you considered the advice Paul was given with regards to relationships?

 

[redleghunter]

It really seems here that many believe that God possessed people and made them write things. Truly many do not understand inspired

No one said such.

God’s will will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

 

[bekkilyn]

When you disparage the writers and the writings, you disparage the work of Yah Himself...even in us who believe...take heed!

I believe that the only infallible human being was Jesus (and he didn't write any of the books in the bible) so if that's some sort of insult to the bible writers, then they'll just need to get over it since I don't believe them to be God. God is God and only God is infallible.

 

[redleghunter]

Which definition of "inspired" are we using? If it's the Oracle of Delphi version, then no.

I don’t even know how you are using the Oracle.

I think God is very explicit in revealing himself to mankind.


Word of the LORD

Word of God

Thus saith the LORD

Not to mention the Incarnation.

 

[redleghunter]

I believe that the only infallible human being was Jesus (and he didn't write any of the books in the bible) so if that's some sort of insult to the bible writers, then they'll just need to get over it since I don't believe them to be God. God is God and only God is infallible.

How do we know the words spoken by Jesus? How did the Holy Spirit accomplish this? What does your personal canon look like?

 

[FireDragon76]

That means he's a messenger, not a medium.

I think I understand where @redleghunter is coming from, though. I just think we need to be careful not turning a doctrine that was originally intended to be heard as Gospel, and emphasizing it as Law. That's essentially what can happen in "weaponizing the Scriptures". Then it's more than just about pointing us to the consolation in Christ, and more about trying to control other people according to our expectations.

And BTW, this is basically what the Orthodox and Catholics do with the notion of apostolicity. As I discussed in my own testimony recently, this can have lasting spiritual damage on a person's faith.

 

[bekkilyn]

It means he is an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Which means like Solomon, Paul has the wisdom of God.

Have you considered the advice Paul was given with regards to relationships?

Apostle comes from the Greek word "apostolos" which means "messenger", and that's exactly what Paul did. He went around teaching and proclaiming the gospel message of Jesus Christ. It does not mean "has the wisdom of God". Not sure where you got that one.

 

[devin553344]

Not so. You had better HOPE not so.

Hi Dave, good to see you. I was referring to killing sinners for sinning, and such laws. Not the 10 commandments. Sorry it was ambiguous.

 

[redleghunter]

Apostle comes from the Greek word "apostolos" which means "messenger", and that's exactly what Paul did. He went around teaching and proclaiming the gospel message of Jesus Christ. It does not mean "has the wisdom of God". Not sure where you got that one.

The apostles did not have the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

How do we know the words spoken by Jesus? How did the Holy Spirit accomplish this? What does your personal canon look like?

I think it’s cool that you hold human beings in such high regard. I just have to leave room in my own mind to ponder if it’s possible such human beings either messed up something accidentally or on purpose. I’m not by any means saying they did I’m just saying if it’s possible I wanna take note. That’s why I asked some of you, do you think its possible some stuff in the Bible isn’t from God?