Here it is: The Mueller report is out.

[TLK Valentine]

Since we're still talking about the 2020 election, it's referring to the decision about who the people want to be their president. It's not a trial. It's an election.

True enough -- but that has nothing to do with the various criminal activites he may have committed that the House is investigating.

There's no reason to put those on hold... don't you think?

 

[Aldebaran]

True enough -- but that has nothing to do with the various criminal activites he may have committed that the House is investigating.

There's no reason to put those on hold... don't you think?

Ah, so now it's "may have committed". You're getting warmer....

 

[TLK Valentine]

What crime has he been convicted of?

The question is what crimes is he being investigated for? Investigations come first, don't you know...

He's already a co-conspirator in at least two campaign finance violations... and the only reason he hasn't been indicted for them is because the DOJ won't indict a sitting president... but nobody sits in the White House forever.

 

[bhsmte]

True enough -- but that has nothing to do with the various criminal activites he may have committed that the House is investigating.

There's no reason to put those on hold... don't you think?

I dont think the house will put those on hold. Do you?

 

[Aldebaran]

The question is what crimes is he being investigated for? Investigations come first, don't you know...

Yes, and the one with Mueller's name on it was supposed to be the one that was going to bring everything to light. But just like with gun control, the "end game" always turns out to be just the "first step".

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ah, so now it's "may have committed". You're getting warmer....

How about "directly implicated in two counts of conspiracy to commit campaign finance violations"? How warm is that?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I dont think the house will put those on hold. Do you?

Not in the slightest -- the Senate will try, but even McConnell can only do so much...

 

[Aldebaran]

How about "directly implicated in two counts of conspiracy to commit campaign finance violations"? How warm is that?

You put that in quotes. Is that a direct quote from somewhere?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes, and the one with Mueller's name on it was supposed to be the one that was going to bring everything to light.

And so it has. It's provided fodder for several other investigations.

But just like with gun control, the "end game" always turns out to be just the "first step".

If you thought Mueller was the "end game," I can't help you... but a primer in recent political history might...

Back in the 90s, an investigation into the Whitewater Development Corporation led to an impeachment over a stained blue dress... funny ol' world, isn't it?

 

[childeye 2]

Don't forget about truth and falsehood, and the incentive of the ones doing all the investigating after their party lost the election.

Well the Truth is that Russia interfered with the election in favor of Donald Trump through introducing massive amounts of propaganda to attack Clinton on social media. It would be falsehood to say that's equitable and not a crime.

Do you really think the democrats are trying to paint Trump as a wicked person out of love?

You're projecting onto others your own carnal vanity. Therefore the above question is a loaded question built upon a false premise. If I answered either yes or no I would be accepting the false premise which apparently you do not see. So I will answer it this way. It's the right thing to do, to investigate Russia and it's interference because such interference makes them capable of undermining our elections. And it's also right to investigate why they were helping Trump and if the Trump campaign knew that Russia was helping them.

 

[childeye 2]

Don't forget about truth and falsehood, and the incentive of the ones doing all the investigating after their party lost the election.

Well the Truth is that Russia interfered with the election in favor of Donald Trump through introducing massive amounts of propaganda to attack Clinton on social media. It would be falsehood to say that's equitable and not a crime. The Democrats would obviously be the one's who have the more reason to be upset.

Do you really think the democrats are trying to paint Trump as a wicked person out of love?

You're projecting onto others your own carnal vanity. Therefore the above question is a loaded question built upon a false premise. If I answered either yes or no I would be accepting the false premise which apparently you do not see.

So I will answer it this way. It's the right thing to do, to investigate Russia and it's interference because such interference makes them capable of undermining our elections. And it's also right to investigate why they were helping Trump and if the Trump campaign knew that Russia was helping them.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You put that in quotes. Is that a direct quote from somewhere?

No.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well the Truth is that Russia interfered with the election in favor of Donald Trump through introducing massive amounts of propaganda to attack Clinton on social media. It would be falsehood to say that's equitable and not a crime.

Then they should be focusing on Russia instead of Trump if they have a problem with something done by Russia.

You're projecting onto others your own carnal vanity. Therefore the above question is a loaded question built upon a false premise. If I answered either yes or no I would be accepting the false premise which apparently you do not see.

You're the one that keeps making everything out to be either "darkness or light, love or hate". That's why I asked. If you don't want to answer, that's fine.

So I will answer it this way. It's the right thing to do, to investigate Russia and it's interference because such interference makes them capable of undermining our elections. And it's also right to investigate why they were helping Trump and if the Trump campaign knew that Russia was helping them.

Now you're talking about collusion. That was already investigated by Mueller and concluded to not have happened.

 

[Allandavid]

Now you're talking about collusion. That was already investigated by Mueller and concluded to not have happened.

Not true. You’re just parroting Barr there...

 

[bhsmte]

Well the Truth is that Russia interfered with the election in favor of Donald Trump through introducing massive amounts of propaganda to attack Clinton on social media. It would be falsehood to say that's equitable and not a crime.

You're projecting onto others your own carnal vanity. Therefore the above question is a loaded question built upon a false premise. If I answered either yes or no I would be accepting the false premise which apparently you do not see. So I will answer it this way. It's the right thing to do, to investigate Russia and it's interference because such interference makes them capable of undermining our elections. And it's also right to investigate why they were helping Trump and if the Trump campaign knew that Russia was helping them.

Mueller indicted russians who were involved in this, correct?

 

[Aldebaran]

Not true. You’re just parroting Barr there...

Not quite.
Robert Mueller Did Not Merely Reject the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theories. He Obliterated Them.

Mueller report: Donald Trump collusion conspiracy theories are now exposed. Will they end?

Mueller report found no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion: Justice Dept | DW | 24.03.2019

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well the Truth is that Russia interfered with the election in favor of Donald Trump through introducing massive amounts of propaganda to attack Clinton on social media. It would be falsehood to say that's equitable and not a crime. The Democrats would obviously be the one's who have the more reason to be upset.

And since we know that Donald's campaign had several secret meetings with high-ranking Russians, there was certainly reason to believe that they colluded on that propaganda... The fact that Donald's minions often lied about the nature of those meetings (either on their own, or on Donald's orders), added suspicion... as lying often does.

Mueller's investigation would seem to indicate that no, Donald did not collude -- which, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, would've been superfluous anyway -- Donald would bring nothing of value to the table that the Russians couldn't obtain through other means.

However, Mueller did note several instances of Donald's attempt to undermine and obstruct the investigation into his Russian dealings... Mueller does not conclusively say that those efforts rise to criminal levels, mainly because they were, by and large, unsuccessful -- thanks in no small part to Donald's own incompetence and the ethics of his minions, who either refused or chose to ignore any orders from him which they determined were potentially illegal or unethical.

So I will answer it this way. It's the right thing to do, to investigate Russia and it's interference because such interference makes them capable of undermining our elections. And it's also right to investigate why they were helping Trump and if the Trump campaign knew that Russia was helping them.

Investigating foreign governments' attempts to undermine our most important democratic process is always the right thing to do... contrawise, shrugging our shoulders and saying, "everyone does it," ignoring it, and threatening retribution on those who investigate it are not the right things to do.

 

[bhsmte]

Not true. You’re just parroting Barr there...

On the conspiracy with russia investigation (collusion is a made up media term and not a crime), mueller didnt find anything that demonstrated any conspiracy, between trumps campaign and russia.

Do you agree with this?

 

[Allandavid]

Not quite.
Robert Mueller Did Not Merely Reject the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theories. He Obliterated Them.

Mueller report: Donald Trump collusion conspiracy theories are now exposed. Will they end?

Mueller report found no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion: Justice Dept | DW | 24.03.2019

Show me, in any of those, where Mueller is quoted as saying there was “no collusion”...he finds insufficient grounds to charge criminal conspiracy...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not true. You’re just parroting Barr there...

The parrots demand an apology... and a cracker.