Creationist schools and universities

[Nando Ronteltap]

Creationism is really the fundamentals of it all, it's very important. We should totally start creationist schools and universities.

The creationist conceptual scheme:
1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / existence of which is a matter of chosen opinion
2. Creation / chosen / material / existence of which is a matter of fact forced by evidence

Basically what this means is that all subjective issues are dealt with in category 1, like questions about what is beautiful and good, and all objective issues are dealt with in category 2, science / mathematics.

So creationism provides a constitution for the mind, where both opinion and fact are validated each in their own right.

Teaching how subjectivity works would reduce mental illness. Reduce materialist ideology. Generally improve emotional maturity. It implicitly promotes understanding of democracy, freedom of opinion. These schools and universities would have a strong and wonderful school and university spirit, because of members understanding about spirit. Also because the understanding of subjectivity is generic, people of many different faiths could join such creationist organizations.

Most new science requires some understanding of choosing, freedom. The understanding of things in terms of them being forced, cause and effect, has been at a dead end since quantum mechanics. The increasingly ridiculous theories like many universe theory and compatibilism, show we have exhausted all possible ways things can be described in terms of cause and effect.

It can only be hoped that creationism would provide for technological improvement. The focus on cause and effect has been most suitable for technical improvement, because we generally want technology which operates in a forced way, so that the technology does what we choose it to do. There wouldn't be much sense to make a washing machine or a car with free will, using creationist science. So there is a bit of a question if creation science would enhance technology.

The "humanities" studies at universities have suffered badly from materialist ideology encroaching on it. To have a category for subjective issues safeguards humanities studies, makes it flourish.

 

[Brightmoon]

Twisting natural phenomena to agree with fundie Christian creationists has already failed . In fact, it’s one of the reasons that the atheist community is increasing. People feel betrayed when an authority figure lies to them. some American Christian schools in the south already distort history enough without adding to the misinformation

 

[Speedwell]

Creationism is really the fundamentals of it all, it's very important. We should totally start creationist schools and universities.

The creationist conceptual scheme:
1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / existence of which is a matter of chosen opinion
2. Creation / chosen / material / existence of which is a matter of fact forced by evidence

Basically what this means is that all subjective issues are dealt with in category 1, like questions about what is beautiful and good, and all objective issues are dealt with in category 2, science / mathematics.

So creationism provides a constitution for the mind, where both opinion and fact are validated each in their own right.

Teaching how subjectivity works would reduce mental illness. Reduce materialist ideology. Generally improve emotional maturity. It implicitly promotes understanding of democracy, freedom of opinion. These schools and universities would have a strong and wonderful school and university spirit, because of members understanding about spirit. Also because the understanding of subjectivity is generic, people of many different faiths could join such creationist organizations.

I doubt that very many people of different faiths would be willing to subscribe to a literal and inerrant Genesis. If my experience in the Bible Belt is any indication, they wouldn't be welcome anyway.

Most new science requires some understanding of choosing, freedom. The understanding of things in terms of them being forced, cause and effect, has been at a dead end since quantum mechanics. The increasingly ridiculous theories like many universe theory and compatibilism, show we have exhausted all possible ways things can be described in terms of cause and effect.

It can only be hoped that creationism would provide for technological improvement. The focus on cause and effect has been most suitable for technical improvement, because we generally want technology which operates in a forced way, so that the technology does what we choose it to do. There wouldn't be much sense to make a washing machine or a car with free will, using creationist science. So there is a bit of a question if creation science would enhance technology.

It won't, any more than phrenology or homeopathic medicine does.

The "humanities" studies at universities have suffered badly from materialist ideology encroaching on it. To have a category for subjective issues safeguards humanities studies, makes it flourish.

Yes, one thinks of those flourishing centers of the humanities like Bob Jones University.

 

[Albion]

Creationism is really the fundamentals of it all, it's very important. We should totally start creationist schools and universities.

The creationist conceptual scheme:
1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / existence of which is a matter of chosen opinion
2. Creation / chosen / material / existence of which is a matter of fact forced by evidence

Basically what this means is that all subjective issues are dealt with in category 1, like questions about what is beautiful and good, and all objective issues are dealt with in category 2, science / mathematics.

So creationism provides a constitution for the mind, where both opinion and fact are validated each in their own right.

Teaching how subjectivity works would reduce mental illness. Reduce materialist ideology. Generally improve emotional maturity. It implicitly promotes understanding of democracy, freedom of opinion. These schools and universities would have a strong and wonderful school and university spirit, because of members understanding about spirit. Also because the understanding of subjectivity is generic, people of many different faiths could join such creationist organizations.

Most new science requires some understanding of choosing, freedom. The understanding of things in terms of them being forced, cause and effect, has been at a dead end since quantum mechanics. The increasingly ridiculous theories like many universe theory and compatibilism, show we have exhausted all possible ways things can be described in terms of cause and effect.

It can only be hoped that creationism would provide for technological improvement. The focus on cause and effect has been most suitable for technical improvement, because we generally want technology which operates in a forced way, so that the technology does what we choose it to do. There wouldn't be much sense to make a washing machine or a car with free will, using creationist science. So there is a bit of a question if creation science would enhance technology.

The "humanities" studies at universities have suffered badly from materialist ideology encroaching on it. To have a category for subjective issues safeguards humanities studies, makes it flourish.

There are some existing college and universities which meet your objective, aren't there?

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism is really the fundamentals of it all, it's very important. We should totally start creationist schools and universities.

Why?

Can't creationism be taught in the public schools?

They kicked us out; let them admit they were wrong and let us back in.

But to do that, they would either have to get Satan's permission first; or God to override Satan's orders.

 

[AV1611VET]

Twisting natural phenomena to agree with fundie Christian creationists has already failed.

It has failed in science class, where it doesn't belong.

 

[Speedwell]

Why?

Can't creationism be taught in the public schools?

1. Because it is not science. It is a sectarian religious doctrine and rests on an entirely different epistemological basis than science.

2. Because it violates the religious beliefs of many of the students, including the majority of Christians.

It is OK to teach about creationism, in the context of a history of religion class.

 

[AV1611VET]

1. Because it is not science.

I'm quite adamant here in saying that creationism needs to be taught in history class, not science class.

It is a sectarian religious doctrine and rests on an entirely different epistemological basis than science.

Either that, or it's history.

2. Because it violates the religious beliefs of many of the students,

Poor demon-influenced babies.

Maybe homeschooling can prevent that.

Including the majority of Christians.

Poor de... nevermind.

Signs of the time.

Christianity is being overrun by Satan's tares.

It is OK to teach about creationism, in the context of a history of religion class.

"About" creationism?

No.

Teach creationism.

 

[Brightmoon]

Teaching creationism as history ? I kinda like historical fiction like Forever Amber, The Three Musketeers, or Robin Hood but as far as teaching it as if it were full of accurate historical facts , nah!

 

[AV1611VET]

Teaching creationism as history ? I kinda like historical fiction like Forever Amber or Robin Hood but as far as teaching it as if it were full of accurate historical facts , nah!

Then fail the class.

 

[Brightmoon]

I wouldn’t mind taking a creationism as a literature class . I already took a class like that iirc I got a B in the class

 

[Brightmoon]

Creationism in the USA fails the Lemon tests which is what a religious belief has to pass in order to be taught as factual information in public schools

 

[Albion]

I'm quite adamant here in saying that creationism needs to be taught in history class, not science class.

Alas, it is not history, even if true. It would be pre-history and an appropriagte topic for some other class.

 

[Speedwell]

Either that, or it's history.

It's not history, either.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism in the USA fails the Lemon tests which is what a religious belief has to pass in order to be taught as factual information in public schools

I take it creationism was submitted for testing as a religious belief?

Would chemistry fail the Lemon test if it was submitted as a religious belief?

 

[AV1611VET]

Alas, it is not history, even if true.

Now you sound like another poster here: Mr. Nope.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not history, either.

Ibid my last.

 

[Speedwell]

I take it creationism was submitted for testing as a religious belief?

Would chemistry fail the Lemon test if it was submitted as a religious belief?

It would if the chemistry curriculum included sectarian theological doctrine.

 

[Strathos]

The issue with teaching creationism in public schools is that not everyone who attends the schools is Christian. If we taught Christian creationism we'd also have to teach Hindu creationism, pagan creationism, and all of the other types of creationism out there.

 

[Brightmoon]

I take it creationism was submitted for testing as a religious belief?

Would chemistry fail the Lemon test if it was submitted as a religious belief?

no it wouldn’t . One of the requirements is that the subject have an overwhelmingly secular purpose despite being a religious belief. This is one of the reasons that the creationist meme claiming that evolution is a religious belief , fails in the USA courts