Eric Holder: American Greatness never really existed

[PeachyKeane]

This is what I'm talking about. You see racism everywhere and in everything. It patently ridiculous and racist itself.

No they aren't causing problems because their Latino. Their causing problems because they are breaking the law! If the Canadians we're doing the same thing we'd say the same thing.
Color and/or race are irrelevant. Legal entry and/or immigration laws are the issue. Not race.
Good grief.

That is astute. It is a ridiculous assertion.

So why, when asked which minorities were 'causing problems', did this poster volunteer "Latinos"?

 

[rjs330]

In regards to the question yes, they have to be Latino in order to be a minority. The caveat of course is that they aren't really a 'minority' until they cross the border.



You are interrogating me, not asking 'questions'. You keep rephrasing the same question hoping to provoke a response that satisfies your need to label me as a racist. Neva hoppen chingu.



You and others here that strongly disagree with my positions on social issues have confused criticism with racism.

Criticism: I don't like or agree with what you are doing or saying.
Racism: I don't like you because of your ethnicity.

Some disagreeable behaviors are unique to certain ethnicities. Criticizing those behaviors isn't racism.

Oh boy, you poked the bear with that one! Prepare for the assault! Batten down the hatches boys!

 

[PeachyKeane]

It does make a difference. Please answer the question.

The race of the teacher who got me into computer camp is relevant? How?

Like I said, your hard work and support by your parents got you where you are. You know most people that go to college don't get scholorships. They work and/or get student loans. If less than 2% went to College the question is why? My wife was VERY poor and she received no scholarships. She also had zero support of any kind from her family. You at least had a father who gave you encouragement and support. I know of others too. If people don't go to college that their own choice and it has zero to do with race. It has to do with determination, grit and work.

Yes. I was lucky. And who said it had anything to do with race?

You sure sound like one of those people that see racism everywhere and in everything. It's as offensive as real racism. I happen to have an African American son in law and two granddaughters that are African American. He too came from the south and was extremely poor. He is working hard to support my daughter and the children. So I am no stranger to the issues you brought up. But my son in law doesn't run around seeing racism everywhere. In fact his white employers have been very good to him in many ways. I would love it if people would quit the whole we are victims routine and recognize that America is not a racist country and all people have opportunities for them to succeed. Blaming lack of success on racism or color is a cop out.

Go back and read my story. I didn't attribute anything to race except redlining, which was well before I was born, and I only used as a colloquialism.

And calling your success luck or a stroke of Fortune is demeaning.

To whom?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Actually, the caveat is that you identified a minority, Latinos, and said that they were causing problems based on the actions of a few. Agreed?

Nope.

We're well past you giving such a response. Let's deal with the processes behind it. I'm just trying to get you to face that it's racism.

Talking down to me isn't helpful.

If you're criticizing someone due to their race, or criticizing a race of people, that's racism.

I agree. I only criticize that segment of any ethnicity that does bad things. Regarding blacks it's the 'gangsta' culture. I do save my harshest criticism for my fellow whites however. I try to spread my criticisms around. No one will escape.

Actually, racism is attributing characteristics to people based on race. If you're blanket criticizing blacks or Latinos or whites, that's racism.

No, that's just criticism. For example I criticize successful blacks for generally abandoning the rest of the black community. They should do more to give everyone a leg up. I criticize Latino adults for not taking learning English more seriously. I have little criticism of Asians. They seem to have it together.

Yeah, that is basically the definition.

Nope. You have your own pet definition. Laying it on me is wrong.

Test: what races have disagreeable behaviors? What would be some examples of those behaviors?

All races have disagreeable behaviors (to me) that are unique to that race/ethnicity.

Using a public street as an open air auto repair garage is uniquely Mexican, and I didn't allow it to take place in front of my apartment building, or in the driveway, or in the parking lot. I wouldn't allow any racial group to do that (although no other group ever did).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Oh boy, you poked the bear with that one! Prepare for the assault! Batten down the hatches boys!

Thanks for the heads up. I put on my flakjak before I log in.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Nope.

That's it? How am I wrong?

Talking down to me isn't helpful.

No it isn't. You're right. But is this something you'd be concerned about otherwise?

I agree.

Okay.

No, that's just criticism.

Criticism of whom?

Nope.

That's it? How am I wrong? Is there a definition of racism that isn't pretty much equal to mine you could present?

All races have disagreeable behaviors (to me) that are unique to that race/ethnicity.

Using a public street as an open air auto repair garage is uniquely Mexican.

What are the disagreeable behaviors (to you) of actual races?

 

[rjs330]

The race of the teacher who got me into computer camp is relevant? How?



Yes. I was lucky. And who said it had anything to do with race?



Go back and read my story. I didn't attribute anything to race except redlining, which was well before I was born, and I only used as a colloquialism.



To whom?

Once you answer the teacher question I will tell you how it's relevant. Your success had nothing to do with your race.

It seemed based upon the conversations you were claiming that you were successful despite your race. You were one of the fortunate ones of your race.

And it's demeaning to you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What are the disagreeable behaviors (to you) of actual races?

You mean "what don't I like about black people?" I told you...the gangsta culture, generally speaking.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Once you answer the teacher question I will tell you how it's relevant. Your success had nothing to do with your race.

It certainly did not. I never suggested it did.

It seemed based upon the conversations you were claiming that you were successful despite your race. You were one of the fortunate ones of your race.

I certainly did not say that. What made you think that? I assumed this line of questioning was separate from my conversation with OWG.

I was saying I managed to succeed despite growing up in one of the poorest neighborhoods in America.

And it's demeaning to you.

Not really. What would be demeaning would be to say that those people who worked as hard as I did but missed their opportunity didn't deserve success. I know they did.

 

[PeachyKeane]

You mean "what don't I like about black people?" I told you...the gangsta culture, generally speaking.

Is that a trait of black people?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Is that a trait of black people?

It's the one I'm talking about. We can talk about white crime, lack of education, laziness, privilege, poor health, and other failures if you wish. We can talk about traits of various ethnicities. All that is needed is to peruse readily available statistics (that I didn't compile personally).

 

[PeachyKeane]

It's the one I'm talking about. We can talk about white crime, lack of education, laziness, privilege, poor health, and other failures if you wish. We can talk about traits of various ethnicities. All that is needed is to peruse readily available statistics (that I didn't compile personally).

I'll let you lead. Which would you like to start with?

You're suggesting that gangsta culture is unique to black people? As in inherent and exclusive?

 

[bhsmte]

Archie Bunker is posting!

 

[usexpat97]

You're suggesting that gangsta culture is unique to black people? As in inherent and exclusive?

I will give this much: because the black race is still segregated to a large extent in the U.S., there are distinctly black culture(s). Just like if you have a large group of white expats in Africa and Asia, they will form their own distinct culture(s). They could be bad, such as a rich snob culture, or they could be neither good nor bad--just distinct.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'll let you lead. Which would you like to start with?

You're suggesting that gangsta culture is unique to black people? As in inherent and exclusive?

Black gangsta culture is a rather recent phenomenon in the black community, and is pretty troublesome, especially in larger cities. It's actually worse as there is a larger black sub-culture that is closely associated with it. In my city we have what officials call, "a black crime problem". Do you think that is a racist statement or simply a statement of fact? It was made by our Chief of Police (at that time) who is black.

 

[super animator]

I like how people think that culture is mutually exclusive to race. (As if culture appropriation doesn't exist!)

 

[PeachyKeane]

Black gangsta culture is a rather recent phenomenon in the black community, and is pretty troublesome, especially in larger cities. It's actually worse as there is a larger black sub-culture that is closely associated with it.

And what's the issue with this 'culture'? Is this unique to black people? Are there no white gangstas? Latino gangstas? Filipino gangstas? Asian gangstas?

In my city we have what officials call, "a black crime problem". Do you think that is a racist statement or simply a statement of fact? It was made by our Chief of Police (at that time) who is black.

I don't know. What is 'black crime'? Is it different from just crime? Is there 'white crime' or 'asian crime'? If so, how do these definitions differ?

 

[usexpat97]

If you are actually in the trenches trying to fight, investigate, and prosecute this crime, I'm sure you see distinctions, and they matter. Trying to be color-blind through it all simply handicaps your ability to crack down on it.

Is there a Hispanic (aka Mexican cartel) drug culture? Sure! But there are also quinceneras, the music, the parties, the Spanish TV stations, and a unique male-female dynamic among the singles. No point denying it exists. Other than to be PC, of course.

 

[rjs330]

And what's the issue with this 'culture'? Is this unique to black people? Are there no white gangstas? Latino gangstas? Filipino gangstas? Asian gangstas?



I don't know. What is 'black crime'? Is it different from just crime? Is there 'white crime' or 'asian crime'? If so, how do these definitions differ?

Crime is crime. It can be committed by anyone of any race. Yet you can have a disproportionate amount of crime committed by a certain race. Facts are stubborn things . Just like you can have illegal immigrants coming across the southern border. A disproportionate number of them are of a certain race. They are just facts man. Facts aren't racist or bigotted. Kids graduate high school. 84% of white kids graduate. 71% of Hispanic kids do. Those are facts.

Could it be there is a cultural issue at play? Is there not a Hispanic culture? Is there not an NDN culture?

 

[the iconoclast]

I know you are not big on substantiating your claims with specific and coherent reasoning, but i have to ask you to substantiate this.

Hey hey

Im having a similar problem with you. Whats with that?