Eric Holder: American Greatness never really existed

[PeachyKeane]

The Latinos on the border are causing some problems.

And they're causing problems because they're Latino?

 

[PeachyKeane]

I think you are trolling, hoping for an outright racist comment. Sorry,"No soup forrrrr you."

Are you suggesting you have no means of answering the question without it being racist?

If it makes a difference, I'm already convinced you're a racist. You've already made incredibly racist statements. You've already insulted me more than I can express. So, I'm just trying to understand how this thought process works in your head. You say you're against racism, and then say things that are clearly racist, and motivated by racism. I'm trying to help us both figure out how that works.

People from Windsor are 'lily-white'. People from Detroit are mostly black. You say they cannot be compared. Why not? How is the average white person different from the average black person?

 

[PeachyKeane]

I don't think that was a break at all. I think that was talent along with interest and hard work. Not everyone including myself have that kind of affinity for computers and I too had access but it was in school. The teacher recognized the work you had done. Were they a white teacher or a black one?

Does it make a difference?

All the steps you took we're on your own merits and not just luck. You met someone because you were good at something. Generally that's how life works. You apply yourself to something, work hard and in the process your able to make something of yourself. I'm probably not going to convince you it wasn't luck, but it wasn't. You dad was smart enough to recognize your skills and encouraged you. That's what parents should do.
You worked to put yourself through college. That's what people who want to accomplish something if their lives do. People in college, meet people all the time who's talents compliment each other and end up helping each other. That's life, it's not luck.

I'm sure it seems like this is all just the result of hard work. It's not. The reality of the Redlines where I grew up was this: My highschool had less than 2% of the graduating class go to college. Two of us on athletic scholarships. Only 10 miles away in Ann Arbor, their highschools sent around 60% of their graduates college.

To put that in perspective: for me to go to college, I had to be the best student in my district, plus extracurriculars. For someone in Ann Arbor, you basically had to be above the 40th percentile. For me to achieve the same as one of those Ann Arbor kids, the bar is set much, much higher.

I knew lots of talented people who never amounted to anything. I knew people who resorted to selling crack as a means of financing a dream. The reality for those people is different, and that's really hard to grasp if you don't come from it. It's hard for me to grasp now, and I lived in it. I know a lot of my opportunities were lucky.

 

[Pommer]

I don't think that was a break at all. I think that was talent along with interest and hard work. Not everyone including myself have that kind of affinity for computers and I too had access but it was in school. The teacher recognized the work you had done. Were they a white teacher or a black one?

Does it make a difference?



I'm sure it seems like this is all just the result of hard work. It's not. The reality of the Redlines where I grew up was this: My highschool had less than 2% of the graduating class go to college. Two of us on athletic scholarships. Only 10 miles away in Ann Arbor, their highschools sent around 60% of their graduates college.

To put that in perspective: for me to go to college, I had to be the best student in my district, plus extracurriculars. For someone in Ann Arbor, you basically had to be above the 40th percentile. For me to achieve the same as one of those Ann Arbor kids, the bar is set much, much higher.

I knew lots of talented people who never amounted to anything. I knew people who resorted to selling crack as a means of financing a dream. The reality for those people is different, and that's really hard to grasp if you don't come from it. It's hard for me to grasp now, and I lived in it. I know a lot of my opportunities were lucky.

I bow to your graciousness PK!

What I heard there was, “you’re obviously ‘one of the good ones!”

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I've already said what would satisfy me at least twice already in this thread alone.

I'll check it out. Thanks.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I've already said what would satisfy me at least twice already in this thread alone.

Do you think honoring those broken treaties is practical, or even possible? If such a "reset" were done how would it affect NDN gaming?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And they're causing problems because they're Latino?

They are Latinos causing problems. You asked, I answered.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I know a lot of my opportunities were lucky.

"Luck happens when preparation meets opportunity". That's the usual nature of luck.

 

[PeachyKeane]

They are Latinos causing problems. You asked, I answered.

Right. But, they're not people causing problems at the border. You attribute it to their race. Are they causing problems because they're Latino?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Right. But, they're not people causing problems at the border. You attribute it to their race. Are they causing problems because they're Latino?

Of course not (still no soup).

 

[PeachyKeane]

"Luck happens when preparation meets opportunity". That's the usual nature of luck.

That sounds good, but it doesn't matter how prepared I was if I hadn't been lucky enough to have the opportunity.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Of course not (still no soup).

Is it important that they're Latino then?

Again, you have nothing to lose by answering my questions honestly. Nobody's going to be shocked by the answers.

I know you're racist. You seem to know you're racist. You claim racism is bad. Racism is obviously anti-Christ. Let's put that thought process on the table and start healing you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That sounds good, but it doesn't matter how prepared I was if I hadn't been lucky enough to have the opportunity.

That's possible too.
In my experience being a good candidate for opportunity or promotion has been the deciding factor. Being available at the right time helps as well. No one goes unnoticed in the workplace or the classroom. We are constantly being evaluated, for promotion, or expulsion.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Is it important that they're Latino then

In regards to the question yes, they have to be Latino in order to be a minority. The caveat of course is that they aren't really a 'minority' until they cross the border.

Again, you have nothing to lose by answering my questions honestly. Nobody's going to be shocked by the answers.

You are interrogating me, not asking 'questions'. You keep rephrasing the same question hoping to provoke a response that satisfies your need to label me as a racist. Neva hoppen chingu.

I know you're racist. You seem to know you're racist. You claim racism is bad. Racism is obviously anti-Christ. Let's put that thought process on the table and start healing you.

You and others here that strongly disagree with my positions on social issues have confused criticism with racism.

Criticism: I don't like or agree with what you are doing or saying.
Racism: I don't like you because of your ethnicity.

Some disagreeable behaviors are unique to certain ethnicities. Criticizing those behaviors isn't racism.

 

[1000Flames]

Some disagreeable behaviors are unique to certain ethnicities.

Oh boy, do go on with that one.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh boy, do go on with that one.

I always appreciate it, when a poster makes their personal bias, so clear.

 

[PeachyKeane]

In regards to the question yes, they have to be Latino in order to be a minority. The caveat of course is that they aren't really a 'minority' until they cross the border.

Actually, the caveat is that you identified a minority, Latinos, and said that they were causing problems based on the actions of a few. Agreed?

You are interrogating me, not asking 'questions'. You keep rephrasing the same question hoping to provoke a response that satisfies your need to label me as a racist. Neva hoppen chingu.

We're well past you giving such a response. Let's deal with the processes behind it. I'm just trying to get you to face that it's racism.

You and others here that strongly disagree with my positions on social issues have confused criticism with racism.

If you're criticizing someone due to their race, or criticizing a race of people, that's racism.

Criticism: I don't like or agree with what you are doing or saying.
Racism: I don't like you because of your ethnicity.

Actually, racism is attributing characteristics to people based on race. If you're blanket criticizing blacks or Latinos or whites, that's racism.

Some disagreeable behaviors are unique to certain ethnicities. Criticizing those behaviors isn't racism.

Yeah, that is basically the definition.

Test: what races have disagreeable behaviors? What would be some examples of those behaviors?

Out of curiosity: why do you think racism is bad?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Some disagreeable behaviors are unique to certain ethnicities.

Please elaborate.

Do you think honoring those broken treaties is practical, or even possible? If such a "reset" were done how would it affect NDN gaming?

Yes, some of the treaties have been honored when the tribes sue the government in federal court and the government was legally forced to pay reparations to the tribes. And from what I know about these lawsuits against the government, no NDN gaming was effected. I suspect that your comment about the NDN casinos was intended to be a potshot at the tribes. I'm not a supporter of the NDN casinos, but I fully support forcing the government to honor the treaties it signed with the tribal nations.

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U.S. to pay Navajo Nation $554 million in largest settlement with single Indian tribe

 

[rjs330]

Does it make a difference?



I'm sure it seems like this is all just the result of hard work. It's not. The reality of the Redlines where I grew up was this: My highschool had less than 2% of the graduating class go to college. Two of us on athletic scholarships. Only 10 miles away in Ann Arbor, their highschools sent around 60% of their graduates college.

To put that in perspective: for me to go to college, I had to be the best student in my district, plus extracurriculars. For someone in Ann Arbor, you basically had to be above the 40th percentile. For me to achieve the same as one of those Ann Arbor kids, the bar is set much, much higher.

I knew lots of talented people who never amounted to anything. I knew people who resorted to selling crack as a means of financing a dream. The reality for those people is different, and that's really hard to grasp if you don't come from it. It's hard for me to grasp now, and I lived in it. I know a lot of my opportunities were lucky.

It does make a difference. Please answer the question.

Like I said, your hard work and support by your parents got you where you are. You know most people that go to college don't get scholorships. They work and/or get student loans. If less than 2% went to College the question is why? My wife was VERY poor and she received no scholarships. She also had zero support of any kind from her family. You at least had a father who gave you encouragement and support. I know of others too. If people don't go to college that their own choice and it has zero to do with race. It has to do with determination, grit and work.

You sure sound like one of those people that see racism everywhere and in everything. It's as offensive as real racism. I happen to have an African American son in law and two granddaughters that are African American. He too came from the south and was extremely poor. He is working hard to support my daughter and the children. So I am no stranger to the issues you brought up. But my son in law doesn't run around seeing racism everywhere. In fact his white employers have been very good to him in many ways. I would love it if people would quit the whole we are victims routine and recognize that America is not a racist country and all people have opportunities for them to succeed. Blaming lack of success on racism or color is a cop out.
And calling your success luck or a stroke of Fortune is demeaning.

 

[rjs330]

And they're causing problems because they're Latino?

This is what I'm talking about. You see racism everywhere and in everything. It patently ridiculous and racist itself.

No they aren't causing problems because their Latino. Their causing problems because they are breaking the law! If the Canadians we're doing the same thing we'd say the same thing.
Color and/or race are irrelevant. Legal entry and/or immigration laws are the issue. Not race.
Good grief.