Flat earth beliefs are totally in error.

[JacksBratt]

It is more flat than round.

In all honesty, the bible never mentions anything about it being a sphere, spinning, and moving through space.

 

[JacksBratt]

the imperfections of a table surface or board I don't think are greater than the curve of the earth. At the very least they should be considered equal because if you made a table that spans the length of the earth it would follow the same curve of the earth and would not be greater or lesser.

Actually, I was surprised to find just how fast the earth does curve. It's not as slow as you think. It is actually measureable... 8 inches in a mile.

This might not seem like much, at first. But, 8 inches in the first mile is 16 in the second... So the formula that is accepted for the curve is 8 inches per mile squared.
So, a lake that is 10 miles long will curve 66.6666 feet in that 10 miles... That is, or should be measurable and visible to observe.

 

[JacksBratt]

No other planet or moon that we know of are flat circles so it doesn't make much sense that the Earth is one plus there is really zero benefit or motivation for a global conspiracy to hide flatness of the planet. It doesn't benefit anyone or anything to lie about it if it was flat plus there are so many that would have to keep the secret and tell the lie. I think this is rooted in misunderstanding some scriptures, and the natural distrust of governments that do tend to lie and hide things from people....but the Earth a flat circle? I don't buy that one and I am the type that isn't sure we ever made it to the moon due to so many errors and obvious fakery in the various footages given by NASA.

From a globe reality.. yes... the earth should be like all the other planets... after all, they are all floating in space and created the same way.

From a FE prospective, the earth was created and the luminaries circle it, in the firmament.. so.. the shape of the earth is not connected to the shape of the planets and stars.

Also... Evolution is crushed if the earth is a flat plate with a solid dome. So is any space travel. The FE demands a designer.

 

[JacksBratt]

What else should produce the eclipse of the moon if not Earth?

Good question....

How does the shadow of the earth, cross the moon, if the sun is fully risen.... That is not a possibility.

 

[MartyF]

And here I thought you would hold some noble discourse but...it seems you proved yourself to be a fool as well.

Out with the ad hominem's I see. If you can't beat them, just call them names.

According to your logic one error in a person makes everything they said or did before that one error false: this is a logical fallacy. To put the error of Job's friends in context, they were wrong about the reason why Job was being plagued and lost his family and possessions: this is what God reprimanded them on. But based on your reasoning anyone who quotes one of Job's three friends is a fool...guess that makes every commentator on the story of Job a fool!

If you had bothered to read Job carefully, you would know that Job also speaks as well as God. In addition, one could use Job's friends to show what beliefs are wrong. However, quoting a single passage of one of Job's friends out of context and with the intent of presenting it as the is either unwise or deceptive. This is what you did.

And if we take your reasoning to its logical conclusion we should also not quote any of the words of king Solomon nor of his father king David because of the sins they committed!

That's not the logical conclusion. You either don't understand basic logic, are making an error, or are purposefully misusing it. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that David's psalms, Solomon's proverbs, or Ecclesiastes are incorrect. Job's friends are specifically mentioned as being wrong in the book of Job and by God no less. And there are parts where it is clear one should not follow David or Solomon actions.

Let's expose more of your ignorance:

Yes, let's.

Your own words prove you to be a fool because God did not rebuke them for simply being inaccurate: He rebuked them for being inaccurate about His nature, not about the nature of any of His creations.

Hmm, except that when Job's friends spoke, they spoke about God. Did you read the book?

Job 22:12-14 NLT
“God is so great—higher than the heavens, higher than the farthest stars. [13] But you reply, ‘That’s why God can’t see what I am doing! How can he judge through the thick darkness? [14] For thick clouds swirl about him, and he cannot see us. He is way up there, walking on the vault of heaven.’

The passage you quoted is talking about God. Did you read it before you quoted it? So, yes, God said this is inaccurate.

In regards to your commentary above it is clear that you have a bias and it shows in your reasoning. You took every passage you could find which would point to a description of a flat two dimensional plane and simply dismissed it as metaphor: this is a huge error. According to you and others who think like you: all visions are metaphors and figures of speech therefore every word in a vision is a metaphor or figure of speech which do not describe real things.

Not all "visions" are metaphors, although this is usually the case. For example, what happened to the city of Tyre was not a metaphor. However, you have to read the passage in context to understand whether what you are reading is metaphorical. Usually, if the surrounding passage is filled with metaphors and poetic language, then the passage is also likely metaphorical. Prose is less likely to be metaphorical than poetry.

That being said you would not tell someone that a circle has corners nor that a square is round metaphorically or figuratively.

This is very important for me to correct. In metaphorical writings people commonly do this. I'll explain this after the next passage.

Your strawman argument of the broadcasting stations and Ida Cohen is irrelevant as I did not state that everyone who uses the phrase "corners of the earth" or "ends of the earth" believes the earth is flat. My main argument is that because the Bible uses those phrases in the passages I cited are why I believe the earth is flat: for squares and circles are not cubes and spheres. The latter are three dimensional solid shapes; the former are two dimensional plane shapes.

A straw man is arguing against a point which does not exist. So, no, that's not what I am doing. What my current world examples show is that the idiom of corners of the Earth does not mean the Earth is flat and rectangular in shape. It never has meant that. In addition, the original Hebrew doesn't mean corners in most of these cases. "Corners" is the idiom the translators chose to translate to. You're taking this idiom and are demanding that it means that there has to be a flat surface, when the idiom never meant that.

You even get more confusing. In one sentence, you argue that the idiom doesn't mean a flat surface, but in the next sentence you argue that in the Bible it does. Do you not see the dissonance in your own writing?

I disagree with Lost4words that this is an interpretation problem. It's a reading comprehension problem or an outright stubbornness problem.

 

[DamianWarS]

Actually, I was surprised to find just how fast the earth does curve. It's not as slow as you think. It is actually measureable... 8 inches in a mile.

This might not seem like much, at first. But, 8 inches in the first mile is 16 in the second... So the formula that is accepted for the curve is 8 inches per mile squared.
So, a lake that is 10 miles long will curve 66.6666 feet in that 10 miles... That is, or should be measurable and visible to observe.

assuming your 8 inches per mile is correct it would be 80 inches for 10 miles which is 6.6666 feet (not 66.6666 feet)

 

[trophy33]

Good question....

How does the shadow of the earth, cross the moon, if the sun is fully risen.... That is not a possibility.

If you mean a full eclipse, Ido not know, I have never seen that.

If you mean just partly shadowed moon, its very natural to be that way, because moon is a round ball, so its natural that the side that is not towards sun will be without light.

What I saw can be explained only by the standard heliocentric model.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

My apologies, I have no intention to insult anyone. If someone points out my ignorance, and I am ignorant about many things, I pray and ask God to guide me. I do not argue with a fellow Christian.
Of course we all have different views, but we should never feel offended by anyone who expresses different views to our own. My view is that a belief in a flat earth is nonsense, but I do not think that flat earthers are nonsensical, they are human beings like myself.

I don’t think flat earthers exist. They are just punking people because they have nothing better to do with their lives. Or they are leftists pretending to be Christians who believe in a flat earth so they can use the fake narrative to blaspheme for political advantages.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Right or wrong, everyone has a right to their opinion.

Only subjectively, not objectively.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I don't mind people who believe in it, I mean most people in the world in the past were such. It doesn't change the message of the bible.

Where do you get that information that most people in the world use to believe in a flat earth?

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I guess I don't get it. I don't know why it matters if they do or don't. So you guys have my approval Now don't mess it up okay?

Depends on the reason they are professing a belief in it. The why.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Well I cannot tell you the true nature of the earth as I have never seen it from the outside looking in. And sadly the only pictures we supposedly have of earth are all computer graphic images...that in itself will make one wonder why we don't have a real picture if the earth is truly the way we are told it is.

From a biblical standpoint I can say that the very first mention of the earth is in Genesis 1:1 and the second mention is Genesis 1:9-13 and neither mention the shape of the earth at all; Job 22:14 states that the sky is circular; Job 26:10 and Proverbs 8:27 state that the waters are circular; Isaiah 40:22 states that God sits above the circle of the earth; and, Revelation 7:1 & 20:8 state that the earth has four corners. From this we may conclude that the heavens and the seas are circular while the earth is square. I say this because while a circle and a sphere are circular and round: a circle is a two dimensional plane figure while a sphere is a three dimensional solid figure. And in the case of a square it always has four corners whereas a cube has eight corners. The circle and square are also the only two dimensional objects which are 360 Degrees by nature.

Unless I missed any passages of scripture giving the shape of the heavens, the earth, and the seas or the ones I have cited are incorrect: the Bible is clearly showing us our earth is flat.

No. It’s not. Get a life.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

The world is bounded and handicapped by logic, which is the reason it is always swindled.

Flat earth is a misnomer, and a psychological operation on all parties, but the globe earth is the logical conclusion of a previously swindled population as well.

One thread I participated in on here was completely erased with no explanation after I provided mathematical proof of a manifold terra firma. No one was arguing more than a regular thread, and the opponents actually had decent conversation of learning and respect for the other parties. I have seen much worse on the first page of this thread alone.

The impulse to reject those who even erroneously support a "flat earth" is an exploitation of logical alignments of humans. That is why it is popular again.

As long as humans continue to let other humans lead their thinking, they will be slaves in the mind. Logic is subjectivity; humans LIE even to their entire civilian population - For the purposes of keeping the truth hidden.

It also seems like people (i.e. Christians) don't actually believe this world is controlled by PRINCIPALITIES, ARCHONS AND POWRRS (real spiritual entities), or, the Church does not teach this. If people knew, they would forsake worldly wisdom of things as it is at best foolishness.

Influenced not controlled. People still have a choice when it comes to actions. That is the way the invisible kingdom of God grows in the earth too. Influence. People have a choice. They may not subjectively know all the choices available to them. Nevertheless. They are still choosing.

 

[_Dave_]

Some interesting reading below pulled from various online dictionaries. It is well-known that the Bible contains some 200 different types of figures of speech, among which is one called an "idiom." Below is listed various examples of the idiom "the four corners of the earth."

If someone has a problem with God using idioms in His speech, and believes he or she should take each one of them literally, then that someone must also apply ALL figures of speech in Scripture to literal interpretations.

For example, does someone with that disregard for idioms really believe that Jesus walks around with a large sword sticking out of His mouth? There are hundreds of equally ridiculous examples.

four corners of the earth, the

The far ends of the world; all parts of the world. For example, Athletes came from the four corners of the earth to compete in the Olympics . This expression appeared in the Bible (Isaiah 11:12): “And gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” Although the idea that the earth is a flat plane with actual corners has long been discarded, the term has survived.-- Dictionary.com

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the (four) corners of the earth in American

the farthest parts of the earth
corner
Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.

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all/the four corners of the world/earth
parts of the world:

She had invited relatives from the four corners of the world to her 80th birthday party. -- Cambridge Dictionary

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the four corners of the world
the four corners of the world
All parts of the world; the farthest reaches. I have traveled to the four corners of the world to retrieve the medallion, and I'm not going to stop now.
See also: corner, four, of, world
Farlex Dictionary of Idioms. © 2015 Farlex, Inc, all rights reserved.
the four corners of the world
or
the four corners of the earth
You can use the four corners of the world or the four corners of the earth to mean all the different parts of the world, especially the parts that are the furthest away from you. A foreign correspondent makes his friends in all four corners of the world. Italy has sent 5,000 soldiers to the four corners of the earth to play their part in peace-keeping operations. Note: Other nouns referring to areas of land can be used instead of world or earth. Young people came from the four corners of the nation in search of new ideas.
See also: corner, four, of, world
Collins COBUILD Idioms Dictionary, 3rd ed. © HarperCollins Publishers 2012
the four (or far) corners of the world (or earth)
remote regions of the earth, far away from each other.
1999 Katie Hickman Daughters of Britannia In amongst the fishing boats and the caiques… sailed innumerable vessels from all four corners of the earth.
See also: corner, four, of, world
Farlex Partner Idioms Dictionary © Farlex 2017

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from the four corners of the earth
idiom
Definition of from the four corners of the earth
: from everywhere : from all over People came from the four corners of the earth to see the sight. Merrian-Webster Dictionary

 

[JacksBratt]

assuming your 8 inches per mile is correct it would be 80 inches for 10 miles which is 6.6666 feet (not 66.6666 feet)

Its 8 inches per mile "Squared" to account for the "Curve" of the earth... not a straight slope.

10 miles times 10 miles equals 100.
100 times 8 equals 800 inches.
800 divided by 12 equals 66.6666

There are all kinds of calculators on the net..... some even account for the elevation of the viewer.. as this would allow you to see farther.

 

[JacksBratt]

If you mean a full eclipse, Ido not know, I have never seen that.

If you mean just partly shadowed moon, its very natural to be that way, because moon is a round ball, so its natural that the side that is not towards sun will be without light.

What I saw can be explained only by the standard heliocentric model.

Most eclipses, lunar, are perfectly explained by the heliocentric model...

 

[trophy33]

Most eclipses, lunar, are perfectly explained by the heliocentric model...

Yes. But not with the flat earth model.

(Well, there actually is not any Flat earth model, because it simply is not possible to construct).

 

[Kaon]

Influenced not controlled. People still have a choice when it comes to actions. That is the way the invisible kingdom of God grows in the earth too. Influence. People have a choice. They may not subjectively know all the choices available to them. Nevertheless. They are still choosing.

People have a choice as open as their psychological and chemical boundaries allow. Very few people - even Christians - are actually operating in enough spiritual reality to overcome the chemical and psychological paradigms that give the illusion of choice.

You have an illusion of choice - which is why I said that logic handicaps the world. Logic is a subjective projection of an ordered system of status quo. Even with the Most High God you have limited will - you do not have the free will to do anything you want; none of us are the master of our own universes (another taught psychology).


With that said, this thread is an illustration of how the projection of logic as an extolment of human thinking creates its own failures, and prevents the furthering of anything beyond what the logician would set up. Humans do this all of the times, which is why humans are always surprised and emotional when something illogical happens. That weak point in the psychology of the logician is what makes the "logical" person, as it were, a controllable and exploitable entity.


TL;DR: You have an illusion of choice bounded by subjectivity (logic) taught as if it is objectivity. This handicaps the carnal person, and gives the carnal person an illusion of choice - built in deceptions inside the boundaries of the subjectivity (logic).

 

[JacksBratt]

Yes. But not with the flat earth model.

(Well, there actually is not any Flat earth model, because it simply is not possible to construct).

Well, in my opinion, if even one eclipse takes place while the sun is risen and thus impossible to cast a shadow of the earth, onto the moon... then there must be another explanation...This means that every time... there is an eclipse, the cause is not the earth's shadow.... it's something else..

IF not.. then there would never be a time when the impossible takes place.. the sun would always have to be in position to cast it's shadow.

Anytime there is one example of the situation being impossible... it destroys the entire concept.

 

[trophy33]

Well, in my opinion, if even one eclipse takes place while the sun is risen and thus impossible to cast a shadow of the earth, onto the moon... then there must be another explanation...This means that every time... there is an eclipse, the cause is not the earth's shadow.... it's something else..

IF not.. then there would never be a time when the impossible takes place.. the sun would always have to be in position to cast it's shadow.

Anytime there is one example of the situation being impossible... it destroys the entire concept.

I think you are taking it from the wrong end. You start with an exception to explain daily occurance.

And you actually still have no explanation for neither. The heliocentric model for daily issues and exceptional atmospheric explanation for exceptional issue work. The Flath earth has NO explanation for neither.