Eric Holder: American Greatness never really existed

[OldWiseGuy]

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[OldWiseGuy]

And why are you uniquely placed to reveal these lies and to pronounce that racism is no longer an important problem for minorities?

When did I say that? I do think that their own racism, and that of other minorities, is as harmful to them as white racism. White racism doesn't cause minority kids to drop out of school; their own racism does.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Like I said in one of my posts yesterday in this thread, minorities don't need white people coming into their communities and telling them what they need to do with their own lives or how they should live their lives or how they should feel about the racial injustices committed against their own people and their ancestors. Minorities don't need white people telling them to get over the past and move on.

I can't recall how many times I've heard white people try to insist how Native Americans should feel about their experiences as Native Americans or how minorities should react to racism against them. I've encountered many white people over the years who just had to add their two cents worth about what it must be feel like to be a minority or who have even tried to insist racism no longer exists.

I don't think that most white people pay much attention to minorities.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You could not say anything? But what your post kinda does is stack yourself up against others.

That's what the grading system in school and what the pay grade does, measures the worth to, and by, society, of each individual.

Is someone less productive, or who can't pay taxes less valuable than you? Does someone less able, or less involved in their community have less value than you?

My short answer is...yes. The long answer is too long.

 

[Pommer]

I don't think that most white people pay much attention to minorities.

And yet, you say this as if this is normal.
I’m beginning to see a pattern.

 

[Speedwell]

That's what the grading system in school and what the pay grade does, measures the worth to, and by, society, of each individual.



My short answer is...yes. The long answer is too long.

How does that square with Christian doctrine?

 

[PeachyKeane]

Just curious. What were the breaks you received?

1. When I was young a my dad co-owned a garage, and they had a computer. I used to sit and learn how it worked. My dad would get me computer magazines and I got pretty good. I started working for the garage making macros in spreadsheets and WordPerfect for accounts and invoices. In the mid 80s, nobody in my neighborhood had a computer.
2. One of my teachers got his car fixed and discovered I was good with computers. He got me into a computer camp one summer.
3. My extracurricular computer work got me a scholarship to college. I've always felt guilty because it meant someone else I knew who deserved it, didn't get it. It took her four more years to raise money to go.
4. Met a guy in college whose skills complimented my own, and we were both outcasts (among computer nerds). We formed a company and did well.
5. You could say discovering my talents early and having them nurtured in an environment where that's considered a waste of time was a break.
6. Having a dad and a couple teachers who hadn't yet had hope beaten from them was a break.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Based on what you've revealed you may already be.

Again, let's flip the question: Why would I not be comparable to a Windsorite?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And yet, you say this as if this is normal.
I’m beginning to see a pattern.

Most white people don't live in communities with large minority populations. We do watch the news however. I interact with minorities from many countries but I don't pay much attention to their ethnicity. They are individuals and I respect them as such. It's when they become troublesome as a group that gets my attention.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Again, let's flip the question: Why would I not be comparable to a Windsorite?

You may well be. I can't tell from here.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How does that square with Christian doctrine?

To my knowledge there is no specific Christian doctrine concerning school grades and pay scales. If I were to impose a teaching on the topic I would cite this proverb:

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecclesiastes 9:10

 

[Speedwell]

To my knowledge there is no specific Christian doctrine concerning school grades and pay scales. If I were to impose a teaching on the topic I would cite this proverb:

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecclesiastes 9:10

So nothing in Scripture which values humans merely as economic entities. What you are espousing is a Marxist doctrine.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So nothing in Scripture which values humans merely as economic entities. What you are espousing is a Marxist doctrine.

I think you misstated your argument.

I'm talking economic/social value. Intrinsic (human) value is a different topic. However the two are somewhat related in that economic value can enhance intrinsic value, but intrinsic value can't redeem the lack of economic value. If you are a no-good lazy bum, or a criminal, it diminishes your human value.

 

[Speedwell]

I'm talking economic/social value. Intrinsic (human) value is a different topic. However the two are somewhat related in that economic value can support intrinsic value, but intrinsic value can't support the lack of economic value. If you are a no-good lazy bum, or a criminal, it tarnishes your human value.

Why is the economic value of human beings the most important? Why do you write off those who are less economically productive as "no-good lazy bums?"

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Why is the economic value of human beings the most important? Why do you write off those who are less economically productive as "no-good lazy bums?"

I said neither of those things.

 

[Speedwell]

I said neither of those things.

And I see that you edited the "no-good lazy bums" out of your post after I quoted it. That's good; you were beginning to sound like one of those conservatives who don't want their "hard-earned tax dollars" going to support "lazy poor people."

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And I see that you edited the "no-good lazy bums" out of your post after I quoted it. That's good; you were beginning to sound like one of those conservatives who don't want their "hard-earned tax dollars" going to support "lazy poor people."

I didn't edit it out. And I don't want my tax dollars to support any lazy people, poor or not. "If a man won't work, he shouldn't eat." Sez so in the bible. However I'm ok with creating jobs for them with my tax dollars (of course the Dems will fight that tooth and nail).

 

[Pommer]

Most white people don't live in communities with large minority populations. We do watch the news however. I interact with minorities from many countries but I don't pay much attention to their ethnicity. They are individuals and I respect them as such. It's when they become troublesome as a group that gets my attention.

Okay. I’m out.
Have a nice, enjoyable life “not thinking about minorities” and pray that Jesus isn’t Black.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Okay. I’m out.
Have a nice, enjoyable life “not thinking about minorities” and pray that Jesus isn’t Black.

Thanks, I will.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Okay. I’m out.
Have a nice, enjoyable life “not thinking about minorities” and pray that Jesus isn’t Black.

He was from the Middle East, so I'm sure He had dark skin.