Eric Holder: American Greatness never really existed

[PeachyKeane]

I believe that I'm different and special. The world needs more people like me.

What makes you better than most people?

 

[PeachyKeane]

I'll take that as a net positive for you.

I've done pretty well. I've had to work a lot harder than most other people, and have gotten very lucky on a couple of opportunities, but I've done well.

Now, if I was the only black guy, that may be fine. The point is most black kids don't get the breaks I did.

 

[bhsmte]

I believe that I'm different and special. The world needs more people like me.

I know you are not big on substantiating your claims with specific and coherent reasoning, but i have to ask you to substantiate this.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You said - and I can quote it if you'd like - that Windsor cannot be compared to Detroit because Detroit is mostly black.

Under what circumstances would I, a Detroiter, be comparable to a Windsorite?

I think I said that in response to a poster who was pleading comparable minority demographics.

 

[PeachyKeane]

I think I said that in response to a poster who was pleading comparable minority demographics.

No, it was comparing gun deaths in Detroit vs. Windsor.

You also just said that you went through the context of the quote and agreed with your own analysis.

That analysis being that because there are more blacks in Detroit than Windsor the two cities can not be compared "in any universe".

So, under what circumstances would I, a Detroiter, be comparable to a Windsorite?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Best as written:

Lesson 20: Responding Rightly When You’re Wronged (James 5:7-9) | Bible.org

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"Lesson 20: Responding Rightly When You’re Wronged (James 5:7-9)
(1). God’s purposes are worked out over long periods of time.

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One of the most important lessons to learn as a Christian is how to respond rightly when you are wronged. Count on it—you will be wronged! ... ... ...

Also, remember that in grumbling against someone else, you’re ultimately grumbling against the Lord, who sovereignly put that person into your life at that point in time. Thus the Bible prohibits all grumbling, because it ultimately is grumbling against the Lord Himself (Phil. 2:15; 1 Cor. 10:10).

Conclusion
If you think that you’re patient, consider this story. During the late 1500’s, Dr. Thomas Cooper edited a learned dictionary with the addition of 33,000 words, and many other improvements. He had already been eight years in collecting materials for his edition when his wife, who was a rather difficult woman to live with, went into his study one day while he was gone and burned all of his notes. She said that she feared he would kill himself with study!

The doctor returned home, saw the destruction, and asked who had done it. His wife boldly asserted that it was the work of her hands. The patient man heaved a deep sigh and said, “Oh, Dinah, Dinah, thou hast given a world of trouble!” Then he quietly sat down to another eight years of hard labor, to replace the notes that she had destroyed (Encyclopedia of 7,700 Illustrations, by Paul Tan [Assurance Publishers], #2350). Okay, maybe he shouldn’t have sighed! But I’ve got a long ways to go to be as patient as he was!

When you’re wronged, whether by a believer or an unbeliever, wait patiently on the Lord, who will soon return and judge every person. As the 19th century preacher, A. B. Simpson observed, in heaven you won’t have anything or anyone to try you, so you won’t need patience there. It is a fruit of the Spirit for here and now. To respond rightly when you’re wronged, patiently wait for the Lord."..."

People are done waiting.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I know you are not big on substantiating your claims with specific and coherent reasoning, but i have to ask you to substantiate this.

Let me clarify. I'm not saying I'm uniquely different and special, but that I belong in a group of such that is very valuable and badly needed.

My physical and financial state is healthy and sound. My relations with family, job, and friends is tops. I'm still productive and have moved my responsibilities from maintenance and repair to improvements and upgrades. I have a very small carbon footprint (for the time being). I'm active in my community, always suggesting new and better methods of improving the city to leadership. I am a net supporter of my state and country financially by paying taxes. I have the praise of most who know me although there are a few who don't hold me in high regard, some are right here on the CF (hard to believe I know) .

One international student tenant, a middle-aged Palestinian lady, told me that I was "a very special person", although I hardly interacted with her at all. I don't know exactly how she came to that conclusion but I accept the praise.

You might have guessed by now that I am not a very modest person, but that's no sin.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Let me clarify. I'm not saying I'm uniquely different and special, but that I belong in a group of such that is very valuable and badly needed.

My physical and financial state is healthy and sound. My relations with family, job, and friends is tops. I'm still productive and have moved my responsibilities from maintenance and repair to improvements and upgrades. I have a very small carbon footprint (for the time being). I'm active in my community, always suggesting new and better methods of improving the city to leadership. I am a net supporter of my state and country financially by paying taxes. I have the praise of most who know me although there are a few who don't hold me in high regard (some are right here on the CF) .

One international student tenant, a middle-aged Palestinian lady, told me that I was "a very special person", although I hardly interacted with her at all. I don't know exactly how she came to that conclusion but I accept the praise.

You might have guessed by now that I am not a very modest person, but that's no sin.

Pride?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it was comparing gun deaths in Detroit vs. Windsor.

You also just said that you went through the context of the quote and agreed with your own analysis.

That analysis being that because there are more blacks in Detroit than Windsor the two cities can not be compared "in any universe".

So, under what circumstances would I, a Detroiter, be comparable to a Windsorite?

Based on what you've revealed you may already be.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Pride?

Was the Proverbs 31 wife "proud"?
What is often missed (or never realized at all) is that the Proverbs 31 wife is also a type of the church, and the type of a servant in general. I have always cast myself in the place of a servant, thus I'm always in the middle of the action, I gain respect and favor, my advice and expertise is sought, and am generally blessed above most others. I am also greatly blessed by being able to do much of the work described in Proverbs 31.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Based on what you've revealed you may already be.

I might be comparable to a Windsorite?

Let's flip it now. Why would I not be?

 

[PeachyKeane]

Was the Proverbs 31 wife "proud"?

I think the question is: are you?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think the question is: are you?

If I were prideful would that undo all my work? And who would know? I've only admitted prideful satisfaction here on the CF. Should I show false modesty..."Aw shucks, it 'twern't nuthin'." Nay I say. Step up and take due credit.

 

[PeachyKeane]

If I were prideful would that undo all that I have accomplished? And who would know? I've only admitted prideful satisfaction here on the CF. Should I show false modesty..."Aw shucks, it 'twern't nuthin'."

You could not say anything? But what your post kinda does is stack yourself up against others.

Is someone less productive, or who can't pay taxes less valuable than you? Does someone less able, or less involved in their community have less value than you?

 

[rjs330]

No, it most certainly isn't over. There are many psychological studies on the Historical Trauma and Intergenerational Trauma among Native Americans, African Americans, and other minorities.

It IS over. This is my point. Should we forget? No. We shouldn't forget what happened in Nazi Germany to the Jews. We shouldn't forget what happened to our African American brothers and sisters during slavery. We shouldn't forget what happened to our Native American brothers and sisters. You've heard the saying. Those who don't know about history are doomed to repeat it. Never again.

But remembering doesn't give us the right to continue to he angry and blame and live in a world of hurt over what happened in the past. Especially when it's over and the people have corrected the issues and we're not involved.

My ancestors were abusedz enslaved and starved by the English. Do I have a right to run around talking about how much England sucks? England is a terrible country and the English are bad people because of it? I need to let it go if I'm going to have a healthy happy life. I can't have one if I live a life of depression over what's happened to my ancestors. The English eventually stopped the behavior and quit. I am grateful for that.

I have an uncle that was brutally beaten by Native Americans. Should I now run around depressed angry and tell you how much Native Americans suck? My uncle forgave them. I do to. We cannot move forward while living in the past.

 

[rjs330]

I'm actually not interested in some White Savior gallantly trotting in like a knight on white horse to come to the rescue of minorities. In fact, I find that very annoying and extremely arrogant on the part of the white person. Native Americans, African Americans and other minorities don't need white people coming into their communities and telling them what they need to do with their own lives or how they should live their lives or how they should feel about the racial injustices committed against their own people and their ancestors. They don't need white people telling them to get over it and move on.

Here’s What a White Savior Is (And Why It’s the Opposite of Helpful)

Holding up the Mirror: Recognizing and Dismantling the “White Savior Complex”

The Native Americans don't need a white savior. I think they know what the problems are in their culture. They just need to find a way to change that. It's not my place to tell them how unless I am asked. I can provide ideas is they want them. If they don't then fine. In reading the articles you provided it's pretty clear that the VAST majority of the issues they face as far as the trauma is concerned is inflicted upon them by family or other tribal members. Most suffer not because of what happened to their ancestors, but because of what they or a close relative has experienced at the hands of other Native Americans.

We white people are sorry for what happened to the Indians. I hate it. But I can't change a culture. All I can say is if they don't do something to make changes then the current status will remain.

 

[rjs330]

Oh, but it is!
(Racist)
Try pretending that you have heard this spoken TO YOU.


Dr King had a set of speeches lamenting how “the Negro community” was forever being told, “just a little while longer!”

People are done waiting.

I thought the Civil Rights laws were passed? Are we still living in the days of slavery or segregation or Jim Crowe?

 

[Pommer]

I thought the Civil Rights laws were passed? Are we still living in the days of slavery or segregation or Jim Crowe?

No...and if that’s all it took to change our racist society, then you’ve expected to see a rapid homogeneousness throughout our society, with no discernible difference between wages, housing, wealth accumulation between the white majority and People of Color.

 

[rjs330]

I've done pretty well. I've had to work a lot harder than most other people, and have gotten very lucky on a couple of opportunities, but I've done well.

Now, if I was the only black guy, that may be fine. The point is most black kids don't get the breaks I did.

Just curious. What were the breaks you received?

 

[rjs330]

No...and if that’s all it took to change our racist society, then you’ve expected to see a rapid homogeneousness throughout our society, with no discernible difference between wages, housing, wealth accumulation between the white majority and People of Color.

I assume you mean white racists based upon your context. We don't live in a racist society if that's what you meant.