Fossil Challenge for Evolutionists

[bhsmte]

Struggling to remember 2016 Kenneth?

The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

"I don't and never will accept your evidence as reason to believe evolution is a fact. " - Kenny'sID

The only thing you appear to be interested in is trying to provoke a reaction.

Where did kenny go?

 

[pitabread]

Nevermind...

 

[HitchSlap]

Not to change the subject ()
but I do hope you realize that faith does not depend on Jesus, but on the Apostles. Were they telling the truth or not???

End of sermon....

You have faith the apostles were telling the truth?

 

[GodsGrace101]

You have faith the apostles were telling the truth?

Oh yes.
No doubt.

 

[HitchSlap]

Oh yes.
No doubt.

And this convinced Jesus was the son of god?

 

[GodsGrace101]

And this convinced Jesus was the son of god?

Yes.
It convinced me of the resurrection.
Do NORMAL persons come back from the dead?
No.
So,,,,Jesus was not a normal person....but the Son of God.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Yes.
It convinced me of the resurrection.
Do NORMAL persons come back from the dead?
No.
So,,,,Jesus was not a normal person....but the Son of God.

Or the resurrection story is made up or stolen from other mythologies.

 

[bhsmte]

Or the resurrection story is made up or stolen from other mythologies.

Yep. This is what i eventually concluded.

 

[Astrophile]

depend on their unique traits. if one of these species evolve a new complex trait (such as new organ) then it will be evidence for evolution.

This isn't my subject, but as far as I know, every bone, muscle or nerve in the human body has its analogue in the bodies of the other apes. There are no 'unique traits', so the evolution of humans from non-human apes, or of one non-human ape into another, doesn't require the evolution of any 'new complex trait'.

What do you mean by a species of apes evolving a new organ? As far as I know, all the apes, if not all the primates, have the same major organs, e.g. brain, eyes, ears, nose, tongue, lungs, heart and blood vessels, teeth, stomach, intestines, liver, pancreas, kidneys, urogenital system, etc. There would be no need for any species or genus of ape to evolve a new major organ for it to change into another species or genus.

Exactly what are you saying? Are you saying that if the individual species of apes do not have any unique traits, and if they have all their major organs in common, they all belong to the same kind, and that therefore the transmutation of, for example, Dryopithecus into Pan (chimpanzee) is not really evolution? I await your answer with interest.

 

[46AND2]

You have faith the apostles were telling the truth?

Oh yes.
No doubt.

Apparently you also have faith that the authors of the gospels, who were telling the stories of the apostles, were telling the truth.

Not to mention all the people who verbally passed the stories down for decades prior to the authors.

And all the scribes who copied and copied and copied the gospels after the authors wrote them.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Apparently you also have faith that the authors of the gospels, who were telling the stories of the apostles, were telling the truth.

Not to mention all the people who verbally passed the stories down for decades prior to the authors.

And all the scribes who copied and copied and copied the gospels after the authors wrote them.

It's possible that the majority of them thought that they were telling the truth. The same kind of thing happens today with charismatic gurus and cult leaders. Especially in oral tradition development stories are naturally exaggerated and embellished with every telling. For example, looking at the resurrection story in the gospels, there is obvious embellishment through their chronological order.

 

[46AND2]

It's possible that the majority of them thought that they were telling the truth.

Yes. Of course, that doesn't mean that they actually were telling the truth...just that they weren't necessarily intentionally lying about it.

 

[HitchSlap]

Yes.
It convinced me of the resurrection.
Do NORMAL persons come back from the dead?
No.
So,,,,Jesus was not a normal person....but the Son of God.

Is everyone who comes back from the dead the son of god?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Or the resurrection story is made up or stolen from other mythologies.

Sure.
Anything is possible,
but perhaps it's not probable.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Apparently you also have faith that the authors of the gospels, who were telling the stories of the apostles, were telling the truth.

Not to mention all the people who verbally passed the stories down for decades prior to the authors.

And all the scribes who copied and copied and copied the gospels after the authors wrote them.

I know the story.
I know the history.
I know the problems.
Nothing can outdo what the Apostles did.
And what they did is true.....
No matter WHO wrote the epistles or WHAT words they got wrong.

 

[GodsGrace101]

It's possible that the majority of them thought that they were telling the truth. The same kind of thing happens today with charismatic gurus and cult leaders. Especially in oral tradition development stories are naturally exaggerated and embellished with every telling. For example, looking at the resurrection story in the gospels, there is obvious embellishment through their chronological order.

Yeah.
Guess they didn't sit around and make up ONE contrived story....

 

[HitchSlap]

Sure.
Anything is possible,
but perhaps it's not probable.

How many people have n the Bible were raised from the dead?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Is everyone who comes back from the dead the son of god?

Why?
You know someone else who did?
Jesus was dead for 3 days....
Not for 3 minutes.

 

[GodsGrace101]

How many people have n the Bible were raised from the dead?

By the power of God?
Or by their own power?

 

[Speedwell]

Yeah.
Guess they didn't sit around and make up ONE contrived story....

Nobody said it was "contrived."