ewq1938 said:
↑Sure I agree.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and
what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Dorothy Mae said:
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Actually it is
the end of the age, not world. The jews already knew about the end of the age and the age of the reign of the Messiah to follow. There is the sign of his coming in judgment on Jerusalem and the end of the Jewish Mosaic age. There were signs and many and all were fulfilled.
The second coming has no signs preceeding it same as the days of Noah had no signs whatsover that a flood was coming.
This is exactly what happened to those sitting there.
They fled to Panna, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of thisMat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. They fled to Panna, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of this. It saved them. It makes no sense at all to be in our future because while they could flee Jerusalem and it saved them, none of us live in Jerusalem and so we cannot flee it and where in the world would be go if the whole world is about to suffer? Fleeing makes no sense.Notice it is the sign of the son of man, not the son of man. And there was a sign. A sword hung over Jerusalem for one year, among other signs as described above.
The later verses describe the days before Jesus coming bodily as having no sign same as in the days of Noah when people were marrying and so on. Business as usual. No signs at all. The signs were for the the destruction of Jerusalem in firey judgement from which the believers needed to flee. They did.
That is what happened and will never happen again. It is over. It was for them, not for us.
LittleLambofJesus said:
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Jesus only uses the word "parousia" in 1 chapter of the Gospels.....
Matthew 24:
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Mount of Olives and Titus
Matthew 24:
3
He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us,
when? shall these be
and what? the sign of
Thy parousiaV <3952>,
and of
the full-finish<sun-teleiaV <4930>
of the Age?'
Jesus didn’t speak to them in Greek. He didn’t use a Greek word at all.
He didn't speak to them in English either.
Your point?
ewq1938 said:
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Sure I agree.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and
what shall be the sign of thy coming,
and of the end of the world?
Dorothy Mae said:
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Actually it is
the end of the age, not world.
Let's look at that in the Greek:
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
4930. sunteleia from 4931;
entire completion, i.e. consummation (of a dispensation):--end.
G4930 συντέλεια (
synteleia) occurs 6 times in 6 verses
4931. sunteleo from 4862 and 5055;
to complete entirely; generally, to execute (literally or figuratively):--end, finish, fulfil, make.
G4931 συντελέω (
synteleō) occurs 7 times in 7 verse
165. aion from the same as 104; properly,
an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world;
specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):--age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end). Compare 5550.
G165 αἰών (
aiōn), occurs 128 times in 102 verses
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matthew 24:3
He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when? shall these be
and what? the sign of Thy parousiaV <3952>,
and of
the full-finish<sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age<165>?'
Mat 13
4 Tell us! when these shall be?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be
fully concluded<sun-teleo <4931>.
39 “The enemy who sowed them is the devil,
the harvest is the full end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 “Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire,
so it will be at
the full end of this age.
49 “So it will be at
the full end of the age.
The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
Rev 14:15 and another Messenger did come forth out of
the Sanctuary crying in a great voice to Him who is sitting upon the cloud, 'Send forth Thy sickle and reap, because come to thee hath the hour of reaping, because
ripe hath been the harvest of the land;' 16 and He who is sitting upon the cloud did put forth his sickle upon the land, and the land was reaped.
Mat 24:3
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be?
And what
will be the sign of Your coming, and of
the full end of the age?”
Mat 28:20
“teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;
and lo, I am with you always,
even to the full end of the age.” Amen.
Heb 9:26
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world;
but now, once
at the full end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
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