When do the last days end?

[ewq1938]

The disciples asked him two questions, when the temple was coming down and when he would return. Those are two very different time periods. The temple coming down would be preceeded by signs and they are specific.

Sure I agree.

His return as in the days of Noah would have no sigsn at all, same as in the days of Noah.

But he did list signs to look for and so did Paul.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I highlighted some but there are many signs to look for in this discourse concerning the second coming.

Here's the signs Paul spoke of:

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Sure I agree.



But he did list signs to look for and so did Paul.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Actually it is the end of the age, not world. The jews already knew about the end of the age and the age of the reign of the Messiah to follow. There is the sign of his coming in judgment on Jerusalem and the end of the Jewish Mosaic age. There were signs and many and all were fulfilled.

The second coming has no signs preceeding it same as the days of Noah had no signs whatsover that a flood was coming.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

This is exactly what happened to those sitting there.

Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

They fled to Pella, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of this. It saved them. It makes no sense at all to be in our future because while they could flee Jerusalem and it saved them, none of us live in Jerusalem and so we cannot flee it and where in the world would be go if the whole world is about to suffer? Fleeing makes no sense.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Notice it is the sign of the son of man, not the son of man. And there was a sign. A sword hung over Jerusalem for one year, among other signs as described above.

I highlighted some but there are many signs to look for in this discourse concerning the second coming.

The later verses describe the days before Jesus coming bodily as having no sign same as in the days of Noah when people were marrying and so on. Business as usual. No signs at all. The signs were for the the destruction of Jerusalem in firey judgement from which the believers needed to flee. They did.

Here's the signs Paul spoke of:

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That is what happened and will never happen again. It is over. It was for them, not for us.

 

[Erik Nelson]

When time ceases! So that would be after the millennial kingdom, when He destroys the first heaven and first earth, when there will be no need of a sun or moon.
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away..." Rev. 21:1
"The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light." Rev. 21:23
"... There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light..."Rev.22:5
So logically, time is based on the earth's 24 hour rotation and then it's revolutions around the sun. God created time as a physical dimension when He created the earth, stars, days and nights. So it stands to reason when we don't count days or nights the same way and there will just be one eternal day, prior to that eternal existence would be considered the last days.

all that is 2 Peter 3:10 or so

not Acts 2 = Joel 2

 

[Erik Nelson]

Sure I agree.



But he did list signs to look for and so did Paul.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I highlighted some but there are many signs to look for in this discourse concerning the second coming.

Here's the signs Paul spoke of:

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

mistranslations

Matthew 24:3

reads "end of the AGE (eon)"

it's about time not space or the world

end of temple = end of old covenant AGE = 70 AD

 

[Erik Nelson]

Actually it is the end of the age, not world. The jews already knew about the end of the age and the age of the reign of the Messiah to follow. There is the sign of his coming in judgment on Jerusalem and the end of the Jewish Mosaic age. There were signs and many and all were fulfilled.

The second coming has no signs preceeding it same as the days of Noah had no signs whatsover that a flood was coming.
This is exactly what happened to those sitting there.
They fled to Panna, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of thisMat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

They fled to Panna, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of this. It saved them. It makes no sense at all to be in our future because while they could flee Jerusalem and it saved them, none of us live in Jerusalem and so we cannot flee it and where in the world would be go if the whole world is about to suffer? Fleeing makes no sense.Notice it is the sign of the son of man, not the son of man. And there was a sign. A sword hung over Jerusalem for one year, among other signs as described above.
The later verses describe the days before Jesus coming bodily as having no sign same as in the days of Noah when people were marrying and so on. Business as usual. No signs at all. The signs were for the the destruction of Jerusalem in firey judgement from which the believers needed to flee. They did.
That is what happened and will never happen again. It is over. It was for them, not for us.[/QUOTE]
awesome thanks just one thing PELLA they fled to Pella

 

[Erik Nelson]

Except Christ listed many signs to look for preceding his return in the Olivet Discourse, plus Paul spoke of two signs in 2Thess. The unsaved are in darkness and won't see or understand these signs but the saved are not in darkness and will see the signs and know the return is coming.

no, judgement on Jerusalem in 70ad had signs aplenty that is why James 5:8-9 and 1 Peter 4:7 or so quote Jesus ' summary conclusion, then you will judgement is at hand, at the door

that judgement foreshadows FINAL judgement at the end of EARTH time

but final judgement will arrive as a thief in the night

 

[Erik Nelson]

Sure I agree.



But he did list signs to look for and so did Paul.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I highlighted some but there are many signs to look for in this discourse concerning the second coming.

Here's the signs Paul spoke of:

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

carcass = apostate Jerusalem in 70ad
eagles = Roman legionary standards of Titus and his army
false messiah in the desert = Eleazar ben Jair who fled to Masada claiming to be the messiah until 73ad
false messiah in the secret chambers = Simon and John of Gischala who hid for a while in the secret tunnels of Jerusalem after the fall of the temple to Titus, claiming to be the messiah until the end

 

[Erik Nelson]

Sure I agree.



But he did list signs to look for and so did Paul.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I highlighted some but there are many signs to look for in this discourse concerning the second coming.

Here's the signs Paul spoke of:

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Th 2 = Daniel 9:26-27 = 70ad = day of CHRIST and his vindications over those who crucified him

 

[ewq1938]

The second coming has no signs preceeding it

As I showed, there are many signs preceding the second coming.

 

[ewq1938]

mistranslations

Matthew 24:3

reads "end of the AGE (eon)"

it's about time not space or the world

World there simply means a world age.

end of temple = end of old covenant AGE = 70 AD

The first covenant age ended on the cross not decades later.

 

[Erik Nelson]

World there simply means a world age.


The first covenant age ended on the cross not decades later.

the 69th week of Daniel ended with the cross

the destruction of the physical temple in 70ad = middle of the 70th week

Hebrews, written circa 63ad, says that the OC age was almost but not quite over

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Last days identified by Don K Preston.
Genesis 49, Deuteronomy 4, Deuteronomy 32
all prophecy the "last days" of the Old Covenant Age

the only possible exceptions are 2 Peter 3, 2 Timothy 3...

Those were the LAST epistles those Apostles wrote in this life on this world. Saint Peter and Paul were trying to prepare their flocks for ALL FUTURE Earth time, in what brief time they had remaining in this life

Unlike other usages of the term "last days" In those verses Saint Peter and Paul use the FUTURE tense. "In the last days, there WILL be such and such"

2 Peter 3, especially prepares Christians for the long haul. Referencing everything from ancient prophecies 1000 years old in his day. To the far future thousands of years, hence.

2 Peter 3 is virtually unambiguous. The Second Coming. Could come tomorrow? Or several BIBLICAL DAYS = 1000yrs from now.

As Moses and the prophets warranty Israelites about the ending of the Old Covenant Age. At the coming of the MESSIAH...

So Saints Peter and Paul warned Christians about the end of earth time at the coming of GOD at the Great White Throne Judgement.

Since it didn’t happen to them and it is not going to happen to us, it’s not much of a warning. More reasonable to think they were warned about the end of the old covenant age when the Mosiac covenant and worship were destroyed along with the actual men who rejected the Messiah. That was a real warning they needed to hear and flee,

The early Christians did heed the warning and they fled to Pella.
Now; Christianity is worldwide and we watch for the signs of the end of the Church age; as Jesus warned.
Those signs are perfectly evident, as we see the intractable situation in the Middle East becoming worse day by day.
Soon, Iran will see their opportunity and will attempt to nuke Israel. But at the moment of launching their missiles, the Lord will intervene with His multi prophesied Day of fiery wrath, that will destroy them all. Psalms 11:4-6, +

Yes, I know. That was the event the warning was speaking of. It was not speaking of the end of the world but the end of that age. That event has already happened. It is not an even that we are being warned us. It was not written to us.
There is no end of the church age. That is a kingdom that will never end, it says. There will be changes though. But the fellowship of the chrisitans will never end.
Actually there are no signs to be given at all. In the days of Noah no signs whatsoever are given. So no signs will be given as to when Jesus comes again, the time when his enemies have been made a footstool for his feet. I do not believe any of this and have heard this sort of thing for decades....always "any minute now...." But I know of the dispensationalist teaching and its history.

ewq1938 said: ↑
Except Christ listed many signs to look for preceding his return in the Olivet Discourse, plus Paul spoke of two signs in 2Thess. The unsaved are in darkness and won't see or understand these signs but the saved are not in darkness and will see the signs and know the return is coming.

The disciples asked him two questions, when the temple was coming down and when he would return. Those are two very different time periods. The temple coming down would be preceeded by signs and they are specific. His return as in the days of Noah would have no sigsn at all, same as in the days of Noah.

Sure I agree.
But he did list signs to look for and so did Paul.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Here's the signs Paul spoke of:
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Actually it is the end of the age, not world. The jews already knew about the end of the age and the age of the reign of the Messiah to follow. There is the sign of his coming in judgment on Jerusalem and the end of the Jewish Mosaic age. There were signs and many and all were fulfilled.

The second coming has no signs preceeding it same as the days of Noah had no signs whatsover that a flood was coming.
This is exactly what happened to those sitting there.
They fled to Panna, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of thisMat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. They fled to Panna, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of this. It saved them. It makes no sense at all to be in our future because while they could flee Jerusalem and it saved them, none of us live in Jerusalem and so we cannot flee it and where in the world would be go if the whole world is about to suffer? Fleeing makes no sense.Notice it is the sign of the son of man, not the son of man. And there was a sign. A sword hung over Jerusalem for one year, among other signs as described above.
The later verses describe the days before Jesus coming bodily as having no sign same as in the days of Noah when people were marrying and so on. Business as usual. No signs at all. The signs were for the the destruction of Jerusalem in firey judgement from which the believers needed to flee. They did.
That is what happened and will never happen again. It is over. It was for them, not for us.

Jesus only uses the word "parousia" in 1 chapter of the Gospels.....Matthew 24:

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Mount of Olives and Titus

Matthew 24:
3
He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when? shall these be
and what? the sign of Thy parousiaV <3952>,
and of the full-finish<sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?'
27
for even as the lightning/star-flashes/astraph <796> comes-out from risings, and is appearing till of west,
thus shall be the parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man;
37
For as even the days of the Noah thus shall be the parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man
39
and not they know till came the flood and took/lifted all! away.
Thus shall be also the parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man.

Mark 13
3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
4 Tell to us! when these shall be being?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these.

Luke 21:7
They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
when then shall these be being?
And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming?
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2 Thessalonians 2:
1 - And we ask you, brethren, in regard to the parousiaV <3952> of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto Him,
8 - and then shall be revealed the Lawless One, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the manifestation of His parousiaV <3952>,
2 Peter 3:4
and saying, 'Where is the promise of His parousiaV <3952>?
for since the fathers did fall asleep, all things so remain from the beginning of the creation;'
James 5
7 Be patient then brethren, till the parousiaV <3952> of the Lord;
behold the husbandman doth expect the precious fruit of the earth, being patient for it, till he may receive rain -- early and latter;
James 5
be ye patient! and stand-fast the hearts of ye,
that the parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);
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[DavidPT]

the 69th week of Daniel ended with the cross

the destruction of the physical temple in 70ad = middle of the 70th week

Hebrews, written circa 63ad, says that the OC age was almost but not quite over

That seems to imply a gap then.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

carcass = apostate Jerusalem in 70ad
eagles = Roman legionary standards of Titus and his army
false messiah in the desert = Eleazar ben Jair who fled to Masada claiming to be the messiah until 73ad
false messiah in the secret chambers = Simon and John of Gischala who hid for a while in the secret tunnels of Jerusalem after the fall of the temple to Titus, claiming to be the messiah until the end

Good post.
I and a lot of other spirit led Christians view 1st century Jerusalem/Temple in Revelation.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matthew 24:28 "where the corpse.....eagles"

4430. ptoma from the alternate of 4098;
a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):--dead body, carcase, corpse.
G4430 πτῶμα (ptōma), occurs 5 times in 4 verses

Matthew 24:28
for wherever the corpse<4430> may be, there shall the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together.
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4983 soma from 4982;
the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively:--bodily, body, slave
G4983 σῶμα (sōma), occurs 146 times in 122 verses

Luke 17:37
And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together.''

Revelation 18:13
and cinnamon, and odours, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and cattle, and sheep, and of horses, and of chariots,
and of bodies<4983> and souls<5590> of men.

"WHERE THE BODY is, there the EAGLES be gathered" Matt 24 Luke 17-- and Revelation

Is Luke 17:37 the prophecy of 70ad desruction of Jerusalem?

1. 
   Yes it is
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2. No it's not
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3. It certainly could be
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4. Never thought of it that way
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5. I don't know
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6. Other
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[Ronald]

How do the trees there yield their fruit “every month” then, as we see them doing in Revelation 22:2??



So, at Genesis 1:1, the "Last Days" were officially underway?

Light comes from the Lord.
Genesis spoke of the first days.

 

[Ronald]

Time never ceases. It literally goes on for eternity which means no end of time.

Time is a physical dimension. It was created. The spiritual realm does not require the measurement if days and years as we know it. That moments precede moments and move forward is true, but hours, days, years don't exist. A different realm, mysterious and so we are unable to quite comprehend it. It will be a multi-dimensional realm. I remember hearing quantum psycisists offering that there is some 10 dimensions. ???

 

[ewq1938]

Time is a physical dimension. It was created. The spiritual realm does not require the measurement if days and years as we know it.

Yet it will have time for an eternity according to Rev 21.

 

[Jonaitis]

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Peter states he was living the in the last days. It appears the last days started during Peter's generation.

When do these last days end? Before the millenium, during the millenium, or after the millenium?

These last 2,000 years are the last days (or last hour) spoken by Jesus, his apostles, and the prophets beforehand. We are living in the end days of the Old Testament prophecies. We are in the "Millennium" if you want to call it that.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

As I showed, there are many signs preceding the second coming.

No, there were many signs before the destruction of Jerusalem. There will be no signs before the second coming same as there were no signs before the flood which I showed. Those are two separate events although the Jews thought they were the same.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

These last 2,000 years are the last days (or last hour) spoken by Jesus, his apostles, and the prophets beforehand. We are living in the end days of the Old Testament prophecies. We are in the "Millennium" if you want to call it that.

The OP question is pretty interesting if you think about it. When do the last days of anything end and the first days of the new state begin? Are we in the last days or the first days?

Anyway, your reply is fine. I was just thinking.