Jesus has no DNA from Mary

[Dave-W]

Why was the lineage of Christ so important if, some believe, Mary had no DNA to contribute?

The lineage is all thru Joseph, not Mary.

And it is important as the Messiah was to be from the Royal line of David. That can come ONLY from the father. not the mother.

Even the rabbis who do not believe will tell you that by raising HIM as his own son, Joseph adopted Jesus as his own and that was sufficient to make our Lord as being in the line of David.

 

[Alithis]

Talking about basic biology, absolutely no one here has actual access to the DNA of Jesus and Mary. To say Jesus may not necessarily have his mother's DNA is one thing, to make a claim that is the truth can also turn out to be bearing false witness. In this case a false witness about Jesus and his mother.

When it comes to the expression, going out on a limb. Should a Christian go that far out on such a limb and make such a claim? I would say no. Romans 14:12

Dna is just a red herring.
It is fully scriptural that the flesh and blood of JESUS ..was the word of god that became flesh by the power of God and has None of the taint of sinful flesh and blood of mary who as all of us was born of the blood line of Adam.

So yes in the name of JESUS i declare that The lord JESUS is of the holy Spirit and became fully man without sin.

Which is not a surprising thing to say .nor out on a limb. Because its exactly what scripture plainly says. I agree with scripture.


I do not agree with thing added to it from external source.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Since Jesus was a functioning man, he obviously had DNA. If he didn't, his body wouldn't function without spiritual intervention and he wouldn't be a "man" at all. (The same is true for Adam of course.) And since Mary was a woman, he could not just be a genetic clone of Mary. He needs a Y chromosome, so where did it come from?

This seems to require God to provide the other half of the DNA, somehow chosen to give the characteristics God wants. But this is genetically engineering Jesus to be "super-human", i.e. a genetically designed individual, who. would obviously be better at being "perfect" than the rest of us. This would make him an inappropriate comparator and role-model for our lives because we do not have designer DNA.

So, surely the simpler explanation is to just give him Joseph's DNA? God already has the luxury of choosing the parents, and what difference to Him does it make whether it is Joseph's or some made up combination? Since we are going the route of magical impregnation anyway, this is not inconsistent with the virgin birth. Furthermore, it explains why the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph's line is significant.

 

[Alithis]

Since Jesus was a functioning man, he obviously had DNA. If he didn't, his body wouldn't function without spiritual intervention and he wouldn't be a "man" at all. (The same is true for Adam of course.) And since Mary was a woman, he could not just be a genetic clone of Mary. He needs a Y chromosome, so where did it come from?

This seems to require God to provide the other half of the DNA, somehow chosen to give the characteristics God wants. But this is genetically engineering Jesus to be "super-human", i.e. a genetically designed individual, who. would obviously be better at being "perfect" than the rest of us. This would make him an inappropriate comparator and role-model for our lives because we do not have designer DNA.

So, surely the simpler explanation is to just give him Joseph's DNA? God already has the luxury of choosing the parents, and what difference to Him does it make whether it is Joseph's or some made up combination? Since we are going the route of magical impregnation anyway, this is not inconsistent with the virgin birth. Furthermore, it explains why the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph's line is significant.

Other half?
No this assumes hes half from mary
Adam was fully man without woman woman was taken from man ..never the other way around.
Jesus needed None of mary to become fully man
Just as adam required no female to be fully man

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Actually this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with his nature ..
Just the fact that the word became flesh by the power of the holy Spirit and no part of marys flesh is involved. She just carried him and birthed him forth...
And thats just simply as scripture says

This is common sense and highly logical. Dont let your issues with Mary darken your christology. It seems you're willing to engage in some pretty absurd mental gymnastics in order to paint Mary out of the picture...

 

[JacksBratt]

Mary was descended from Adam.

Obviously the NT doesn't talk about DNA, so we can only speculate. My personal speculation is that God used Joseph's DNA, as part of making Jesus fully human.

That's impossible. Mary had no sexual relations with Joseph before the birth of Christ. His DNA would never ever have been involved..... impossible.

 

[Dkh587]

Well, I provided Scripture to back up what I said. Perhaps if you explained those verses?


Right, and I believe Jesus came down from Heaven as the Eternal Logos. So we are not in disagreement that Jesus is God. We are in disagreement over whether his flesh was divine or if it was of the lineage of Adam. I choose to believe the many verses in Scripture that say that Jesus was genetically of the line of Adam.

Again, how do you interpret "seed of a woman" as not referring to her physical body in some way? Common sense tells us that the seed of a woman would be the part of her body that makes it possible to have children. This is a part of her genetics or DNA.

Jesus is said to be the king of the Jews.
Nobody ever suggested that He was a Gentile or some foreign alien.

Jesus refused to go to Gentile areas during his Earthly ministry (Which suggests that He was a Jew).



Again, I am not in disagreement that Jesus is God and that He knew Abraham. If you were to check out my other thread, you would see my other explanation on the Incarnation.

Here’s more food for thought: if the Messiah was not a human(Adam in the Hebrew) like us, he could not have died.

The Word became flesh. We are flesh... he became one of us, yet he did not sin.

 

[JacksBratt]

The lineage is all thru Joseph, not Mary.

And it is important as the Messiah was to be from the Royal line of David. That can come ONLY from the father. not the mother.

Even the rabbis who do not believe will tell you that by raising HIM as his own son, Joseph adopted Jesus as his own and that was sufficient to make our Lord as being in the line of David.

Both Mary and Joseph come from the line of David.

Joseph comes from the cursed line of Jeconiah. What is the curse of Jeconiah?

The curse of Jeconiah is found in Jeremiah 22. First, the LORD likens the king to a signet ring on God’s hand—a ring that God will pull off (verse 24). Then, God pronounces a curse: “Record this man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah” (verse 30).

From the same article.

A second solution concerns the virgin birth. Jesus only had one human parent, Mary. His mother was of David’s line, but not through Jeconiah (Luke 3:31). Joseph was Jesus’ legal father, but not His physical one. Thus, Jesus was of royal blood through Mary, but the curse of Jeconiah stopped with Joseph and was not passed on to Jesus.

 

[Strong in Him]

Iv never said jesus has no dna
I said he never required marys dna ..or egg..or flesh..or blood.. He required NOTHING from mary.

God doesn't REQUIRE anything from anyone.
He could have had Jesus descend from heaven as a fully grown man - instead, he CHOSE that our Saviour would be born as a baby.
Babies, and prior to that, foetuses, require food, water, oxygen, minerals etc to be able to grow and develop - simple biological fact.
Of course God could have chosen to bypass all that. Jesus could have just appeared - out of the dust of the earth like Adam, or from the clouds. But he didn't. He took on FLESH - you have said that all flesh needs DNA.

There is no need for her dna to make him fully man.
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No, there was no NEED for her DNA to produce a human being; God could have done it some other way - but he didn't.

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Man is created by God as fully man

Humans are created when sperm fertilises an egg - fact.
It is God who causes this, creates life and brings it forth, and this is how he does it.
The only man in all history to suddenly appear on earth one day as a fully grown man, was Adam - and Eve was the only woman. Neither of them had a childhood or knew what it was like to grow up with human parents and siblings, for their bodies to change, learn new things etc. They didn't experience that - Jesus did.

Before woman existed.. Adam was fully man ,that is just the scriptural fact.

Yes - but you're not listening.
Adam was CREATED like that - he was not born, was never a child, never grew up.
God planned for him to be a fully grown man, and made him that way.

No man has ever been made in that way again, and there is no Scripture to say otherwise.

 

[Jon Osterman]

That's impossible. Mary had no sexual relations with Joseph before the birth of Christ. His DNA would never ever have been involved..... impossible.

God is well known for doing impossible things.

 

[JacksBratt]

Sorry, but I cannot continue following or responding to this thread.

The reason is that we, as humans, have a infinitely small amount of knowledge as to the events in heaven and on earth, compared to God.

My deduction is as follows....

All things will on heaven and earth will follow strict righteousness and all aspects of the scripture will be found to be true and solidly on spec with the timeline and protocols of truth.

All scripture will back this truth. There will be no contradictions or contraventions of spiritual or historic events of any time. God is in control and every little jot and tittle will be fulfilled.

Only on that day in glory will we be made aware of all the truth and all the intricacies of the timeline of this universe.. Only then will all of mankind from the beginning understand that all protocols of righteousness and truth have been satisfied.

Or arguing, over such things, are just wasted time.

 

[Strong in Him]

There is no scripture that states adam was created as a fully grown man .

Genesis 2:7 says how God created Adam. The MAN, not boy or foetus, became a living being.
Genesis 2:15 says that God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to tend it.
Genesis 2:16-17 says that God commanded the man not to eat from the tree, and then gave him a helper.

Scripture does not say that God created a boy, left him to grow up on his own and then started talking to him once he became a man.

JESUS tge wird of the creator needed no womans dna to make adam fully man

God CREATED Adam fully grown; he was MADE as a man.

And he needed no womans dna to become fully man.

God didn't NEED to have Jesus become flesh in that way - he chose to.
Jesus experienced birth, childhood, family life etc in a way that Adam never did.
Jesus was like us in every way, (except for sin.)

 

[JacksBratt]

God is well known for doing impossible things.

I agree 100%.. However, the bible states that Joseph did not "know" Mary until Christ was born. It is explicit... Mary was a virgin the whole time of her pregnancy..

There is absolutely no reason for Jesus to have any of Josephs DNA and absolutely no possible method of his DNA entering Mary.

The whole idea is preposterous and an apostasy. ....

Anyway....Please read post #170

 

[Dave-W]

Both Mary and Joseph come from the line of David.

I do not think Mary was from that line. The only thing we are told about her is that she was a "near kinswoman" to Elizabeth who was from Levi; "from the daughters of Aaron." If Mary was closely related, it would indicate she too was from from the daughters of Aaron,

 

[Strong in Him]

No ones. Blood of mother and baby never mix .
Basic biology that one.

My sister in law had to have injections when she was pregnant with her 2nd child, because her blood type was different from the child's - rhesus negative. The baby was rhesus positive - the two were incompatible, and she would have had a miscarriage, or deformed child, if she'd continued the pregnancy.

If a baby just existed inside a woman with no contact at all with bodily fluids, that would not have been a problem.

 

[Strong in Him]

Dna is just a red herring.

Well no, it's not. Because the title of this thread is that Jesus had no DNA from Mary.
If we agree he needed DNA to be human, and he did not get it from Mary; who did he get it from?

 

[DamianWarS]

Whose dna did adam have to be fully man ?
You see? No mother is required for jesus to be fully man.
Woman comes out of man ....
Not the other way
Man came first ...not woman

dna is something inherited and we all trace back to a common ancestor. If Christ did not participate in this and has un-inherited human dna I would think it would put into question his humanity as a whole and begins to sounds like docetism

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

dna is something inherited and we all trace back to a common ancestor. If Christ did not participate in this and has un-inherited human dna I would think it would put into question his humanity as a whole and begins to sounds like docetism

Which is exactly why this type of question is highly tied together with the Council of Ephesus.

 

[DamianWarS]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

the Nicene Creed would disagree
"was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary"

 

[Jon Osterman]

I agree 100%.. However, the bible states that Joseph did not "know" Mary until Christ was born. It is explicit... Mary was a virgin the whole time of her pregnancy..

There is absolutely no reason for Jesus to have any of Josephs DNA and absolutely no possible method of his DNA entering Mary.

The whole idea is preposterous and an apostasy. ....

Anyway....Please read post #170

I wasn't suggesting that Mary wasn't a virgin. If God can implant an embryo with DNA into Mary's womb by supernatural (i.e. not sexual) means, then He can easily make that DNA a combination of Mary's and Joseph's. In fact, it seems the obvious thing to do.

Of course, with modern technology, a virgin birth is not difficult. Many children are now conceived without sex (though I suppose it would be very unusual for parents to not try the traditional method first).

 

[DamianWarS]

Which is exactly why this type of question is highly tied together with the Council of Ephesus.

I think Nestorius kind of got a bum deal from that and should be posthumously recognized as an early father of the dual nature of Christ. Cyril actually vehemently professed in monophysitism but Chalcedon officially reconized dyophysitism as the orthodox position. I'm not saying his position was completely inline Chalcedon but I don't think it heretical would be fair.

I'm told the east looks at Christ as a human first then tries to reconcile his divinity and the west looks at Christ divinity first and tries to reconcile his humanity. Nestorius actually believed in Theotokos but just thought it was irresponsibly worded so preferred to Christotokos and I think that single offence was the reason why anything else he said was just noise and got him excommunicated.