Jesus has no DNA from Mary

[Strong in Him]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

How do you suggest Jesus was fully human, and looked like a human being, without any human DNA?

 

[Alithis]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

The only thing in your post i would shy away from are the words " Holy spirit created " ..Jesus is not created he is creator. The scripture says he "became flesh" ... Because he already existed.
Other then that point.
I fully agree with your post.

 

[Strong in Him]

No , What I mean is Jesus has perfect complete DNA created by Holy Spirit not from any sinners (including Mary )

And the Scripture for this is .....?

Jesus was perfect and without sin - that does not mean he had no human DNA.
Sin is wilful rebellion against God, rejecting him and falling short of his glory. There is no gene that produces sin.

 

[Alithis]

How do you suggest Jesus was fully human, and looked like a human being, without any human DNA?

This is often raised and dealt with.
Adam is fully man .. Without ANY human mother.
Done.

 

[Alithis]

Why was the lineage of Christ so important if, some believe, Mary had no DNA to contribute?

It displays the line of king and priest.. For jesus is king and high priest.
And through that line he is birthed into the world.
Through that line.
Not of that line.
He was not born of flesh.
As the messenger said to Joseph.. "The child is - of the Holy Ghost.

Not of the holy Ghost and mary... Only of the HOLY Ghost.

Its just scripture.

 

[Strong in Him]

I can't .
But a lot of problems arise for over thousands of years around the problems of Sinless Mary and worshipping Mary...

Yes - but that's nothing to do with Jesus not having human DNA.
He was like us in every way, except that he did not sin. He was a baby, he ate, slept, got tired, was thirsty etc etc. He grew up, walked, touched people, spoke and saw.
If he had no human DNA at all, he would have been only a Spirit.

 

[Strong in Him]

This is often raised and dealt with.
Adam is fully man .. Without ANY human mother.

Adam was the first man to be created, from dust, and Eve was created from Adam's rib.
No other humans have since been created like that; Eve, Sarah, Rebecca, and all women since have gone through childbirth - including Mary. That's how we get, and have always got, more people in the world.

 

[Alithis]

Where is your proof?

The scripture is he proof.

The child is Of the HOLY Ghost.. -end.

Not of the holy Ghost and mary.

 

[DamianWarS]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

Yet Jesus had DNA because he had flesh. If not Mary's then whose?

 

[Alithis]

Adam was the first man to be created, from dust, and Eve was created from Adam's rib.
No other humans have since been created like that; Eve, Sarah, Rebecca, and all women since have gone through childbirth - including Mary. That's how we get, and have always got, more people in the world.

Jesus is the word of God become flesh...
Not made from the flesh .
He was birthed forth out of the womb .
This makes him of the kings line and the priestly line.

But he is not originated of flesh but Of God.
Just as scripture says.

These straightforward facts cause the truth to be seen that Mary is only a normal woman of sinful origin in Adam.

Not devine
Not sinless
Not co mediator
Not queen of heaven
Not mother of God
....
In reality its only defending the lordship of JESUS for the op to point it out.
Thats commendable.
Who are others defending .
Upon what direct unambiguous scripture do they base it
And whats thier proof.

 

[DamianWarS]

The scripture is he proof.

The child is Of the HOLY Ghost.. -end.

Not of the holy Ghost and mary.

This would mean the HS would have provided a fertilized egg completely foreign to Mary

 

[Strong in Him]

He was not born of flesh.

He was born of Mary - lived in her womb, took nutrients from her etc.

As the messenger said to Joseph.. "The child is - of the Holy Ghost.

Yes, conceived by he Holy Spirit, inside Mary.
God could have caused someone to appear out of the ground - the dust of the earth - like Adam, or float down from heaven fully formed.
He didn't.
Jesus was fully human, born to, and from, Mary.
Saying that Jesus was NOT fully human and had no physical body was a heresy that the early church taught against.

Its just scripture.

No.
The idea that because Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit he had no human DNA is an interpretation of Scripture. He was like us in EVERY way, (except that he didn't sin) - that's Scripture.

 

[Alithis]

Yet Jesus had DNA because he had flesh. If not Mary's then whose?

Whose dna did adam have to be fully man ?
You see? No mother is required for jesus to be fully man.
Woman comes out of man ....
Not the other way
Man came first ...not woman

 

[Alithis]

He was born of Mary - lived in her womb, took nutrients from her etc.



Yes, conceived by he Holy Spirit, inside Mary.
God could have caused someone to appear out of the ground - the dust of the earth - like Adam, or float down from heaven fully formed.
He didn't.
Jesus was fully human, born to, and from, Mary.
Saying that Jesus was NOT fully human and had no physical body was a heresy that the early church taught against.



No.
The idea that because Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit he had no human DNA is an interpretation of Scripture. He was like us in EVERY way, (except that he didn't sin) - that's Scripture.

There is zero scriptural basis for your claim .
No proof AND no scripture.

At least i used scripture AS proof.

Dont use strawman arguments please.
You introduced an argument about jesus not being fully human ans implied hearasy. But NO ONE even suggested hes not. Please keep the topic honest.

Adam was fully human without the need for a mother. No egg is required.
The word became flesh just as scripture says.
It does not say an egg was fertilized.

Jesus is also called the second adam .

 

[Strong in Him]

Jesus is the word of God become flesh...
Not made from the flesh .

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born as a baby.
He did not appear as a fully formed human; he was born to a woman.

Upon what direct unambiguous scripture do they base it
And whats thier proof.

Upon what unambiguous Scripture do you base YOUR teaching that Jesus was placed inside Mary as a fully formed, complete human being and needed nothing - no food, DNA or anything - from her at all?
Why bother with Mary at all if Jesus appeared as a fully formed, grown man? Mary went to visit Elizabeth during her pregnancy, and later "the time came" for the child to be born. Jesus was conceived in her, grew and 9 months later, she gave birth to him - a baby, not a Spirit.

 

[Alithis]

This would mean the HS would have provided a fertilized egg completely foreign to Mary

why? Since when do you limit God to "needing" anything of the flesh?
He said. "Let there be light"
And there was light.

His word ...(by his very will) became flesh.
No egg required.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Jesus has no DNA from Mary, because Mary is a surrogated mother only.

Then there will be no need of Immaculate Conception: the conception of the Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the merits of her son Jesus.

Gestational surrogacy was first achieved in April 1986. It takes place when an embryo created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) technology is implanted in a surrogate, sometimes called a gestational carrier.

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate.

Holy Spirit created the embryo of Jesus inside Mary.

This is monophysitism, the heresy which rejects that Christ had/ has to natures. The council of Ephesus anathemized any such teachings on the basis that Christ must have been human too in order to transform the fallen mankind into a new Adam, a new creature.
If Christ did not do this this he could not save man as everything within Christ was redeemed at the cross and everything which wasnt didnt.

Logic dictates Christ must have been of both natures in order to A; be a perfect offering to the father and the spotless lamb suffering in humanity's place which is only possible for God himself and B) he must have transformed the human race, hence the new Adam theology.

If he's not both natures he would cease to he Christ our redeemer. He would then be either an ordinary man and a fabulous ethical teacher, a moral guru of some sort or he would be God walking among us in a human holster.
For the restoration of mankind Ephesus found it essential that christ is both natures and those who disagree preach an empty gospel and a different Christ.

 

[Alithis]

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born as a baby.
He did not appear as a fully formed human; he was born to a woman.



Upon what unambiguous Scripture do you base YOUR teaching that Jesus was placed inside Mary as a fully formed, complete human being and needed nothing - no food, DNA or anything - from her at all?
Why bother with Mary at all if Jesus appeared as a fully formed, grown man? Mary went to visit Elizabeth during her pregnancy, and later "the time came" for the child to be born. Jesus was conceived in her, grew and 9 months later, she gave birth to him - a baby, not a Spirit.

If you keep replying by ADDING IN THINGS A PERSON DIDNT SAY ....i will just block you and not reply.no one said he was fully formed. He became flesh and grew.

Food feeds the stomach..
The blood of a mother (sinful flesh and blood) and the blood of a baby Never mix In the womb .so jesus remained sinless.
Feeding off the placenta does not taint the blood
Just as the lord said..its not what enters the mouth that defiles...it goeses through and is passed as waste. But what comes out of the mouth that defiles.because the mouth speaks from what fills the heart.

 

[Strong in Him]

There is zero scriptural basis for your claim .
No proof AND no scripture.

Ditto with yours.

T
At least i used scripture AS proof.

No you didn't.
You said that Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit is proof that he was born with no human DNA. It isn't.
Conceived by means that the egg was fertilised by the Holy Spirit instead of by male sperm. Jesus was fully human and fully God; fully human means having human DNA.

Dont use strawman arguments please.

I'm not.

You introduced an argument about jesus not being fully human ans implied hearasy. But NO ONE even suggested hes not.

How can someone be fully human with no human DNA?
Yes, Adam was, but he was the first man to ever be created. There is NO other person in Scripture who was made like Adam was.

T
Adam was fully human without the need for a mother.

He was created from DUST.
Thereafter, people were born through childbirth.

The word became flesh just as scripture says.
It does not say an egg was fertilized.

It doesn't need to - it's not a science textbook; it's not there to explain the facts of life.

Jesus is also called the second adam .

And it DOESN'T say that - like the first Adam, he was made, fully formed, from the dust of the earth.
Implying that he was created in the same way as the first Adam, is assumption and reading into the text.

 

[Alithis]

This is monophysitism, the heresy which rejects that Christ had/ has to natures. The council of Ephesus anathemized any such teachings on the basis that Christ must have been human too in order to transform the fallen mankind into a new Adam, a new creature.
If Christ did not do this this he could not save man as everything within Christ was redeemed at the cross and everything which wasnt didnt.

Logic dictates Christ must have been of both natures in order to A; be a perfect offering to the father and the spotless lamb suffering in humanity's place which is only possible for God himself and B) he must have transformed the human race, hence the new Adam theology.

If he's not both natures he would cease to he Christ our redeemer. He would then be either an ordinary man and a fabulous ethical teacher, a moral guru of some sort or he would be God walking among us in a human holster.
For the restoration of mankind Ephesus found it essential that christ is both natures and those who disagree preach an empty gospel and a different Christ.

Actually this has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with his nature ..
Just the fact that the word became flesh by the power of the holy Spirit and no part of marys flesh is involved. She just carried him and birthed him forth...
And thats just simply as scripture says

 

[Strong in Him]

If you keep replying by ADDING IN THINGS A PERSON DIDNT SAY ....i will just block you and not reply.no one said he was fully formed. He became flesh and grew.

Babies grow inside their mothers by getting nutrients from them.