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Doesn’t This Just say it All.....

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MOST REPUBLICANS WOULDN'T SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT EVEN IF MUELLER PROVES HE ACCEPTED RUSSIAN ASSISTANCE OR OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE, POLL SHOWS.

Most of GOP wouldn't support Trump impeachment even if he took Russian assistance: poll

For the umpteenth time....

There is no point in trying to convince Trump supporters...you vote them out of existence...!


You'd just as well ask them if they would support impeaching Trump if he rode into town on a unicorn. A thing that never happened never happened.
 
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You'd just as well ask them if they would support impeaching Trump if he rode into town on a unicorn. A thing that never happened never happened.

That makes absolutely no sense. The guy is being investigated for serious crimes. It's fine to believe that he's innocent if you like, but saying its impossible to even consider guilt is just bizarre.

Is there any other person you don't know personally that you have such an absolute and total belief and complete trust in? Or is this trust reserved for just the crooked real estate trust fund millionaire with a long proven record of being a habitual liar?
 
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That makes absolutely no sense. The guy is being investigated for serious crimes. It's fine to believe that he's innocent if you like, but saying its impossible to even consider guilt is just bizarre.

Is there any other person you don't know personally that you have such an absolute and total belief and complete trust in? Or is this trust reserved for just the crooked real estate trust fund millionaire with a long proven record of being a habitual liar?

Please list all of the crimes Trump is being investigated for...
 
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Please list all of the crimes Trump is being investigated for...

Here's a couple of handy lists. Bear in mind they're from December and January, so they may well not be exhaustive considering we seem to find out about a new investigation pretty much weekly.

Here are all the ongoing investigations and lawsuits involving Trump and his businesses

A Complete Guide to All 17 (Known) Trump and Russia Investigations

Even without any of the Russia related stuff, Trump is in massive legal trouble, and he can't wriggle out of the state stuff using his pardon powers.
 
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So atheists from other countries are anti-Trump. I see.

Just people in general in other countries are anti-Trump. He's wildly unpopular in the rest of the world, and people's positive impressions of America have plummeted since he was elected.
 
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Why are non-Americans worried?

The guy controls the most powerful army on the planet, has his finger on the nuclear trigger and influences an economy that has a huge effect on the world economy. Why wouldn’t we be worried?
 
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Here's a couple of handy lists. Bear in mind they're from December and January, so they may well not be exhaustive considering we seem to find out about a new investigation pretty much weekly.

Here are all the ongoing investigations and lawsuits involving Trump and his businesses

A Complete Guide to All 17 (Known) Trump and Russia Investigations

Even without any of the Russia related stuff, Trump is in massive legal trouble, and he can't wriggle out of the state stuff using his pardon powers.

All that is merely a rehash of the same nonsense that has been going on since Trump was elected. Lots of people calling for the heads of some people for allegedly doing some things, but all the while the evidence clearly proves that some other people violated the law but they get a pass. Most notably this, from the article:

"It is illegal under US campaign finance law for campaigns to accept material aid from foreign nationals."

Yet this entire fiasco was started by the Steele dossier, a/k/a material aid from a foreign national. Now what is Mueller planning to do about that? It is quite obvious that the Clinton campaign received material aid from a foreign national, and that foreign national claimed that it came from Russian intelligence.

This is either a prosecution of some people for harboring and holding opinions contrary to someone's orthodoxy, or it is not. We're going to investigate those who might have received material aid from a foreign national during a political campaign but not prosecute those who are proven to have done it.
 
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Why are non-Americans worried?
because political, environmental, economic decisions made by a superpower affect everyone on earth.
 
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Why are non-Americans worried?
Propably because Trump will stop the gravy train of US protection for NATO states that don't pull their own weight and assert US dominance on the economic sector with tariffs.
 
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All that is merely a rehash of the same nonsense that has been going on since Trump was elected. Lots of people calling for the heads of some people for allegedly doing some things, but all the while the evidence clearly proves that some other people violated the law but they get a pass. Most notably this, from the article:

"It is illegal under US campaign finance law for campaigns to accept material aid from foreign nationals."

Yet this entire fiasco was started by the Steele dossier, a/k/a material aid from a foreign national. Now what is Mueller planning to do about that? It is quite obvious that the Clinton campaign received material aid from a foreign national, and that foreign national claimed that it came from Russian intelligence.

This is either a prosecution of some people for harboring and holding opinions contrary to someone's orthodoxy, or it is not. We're going to investigate those who might have received material aid from a foreign national during a political campaign but not prosecute those who are proven to have done it.

Sorry but that's nonsense. You're trying to apply a crazy standard that would mean it's basically impossible to limit foreign influence on an election. The Clinton campaign (and a GOP group before them) hired a US firm to research into Trump. That firm hired a foreigner to investigate and he compiled information from his contacts in Russia. Trying to claim that is the same as the Russian state directly interfering in the US election is just silly.

But as I said even ignoring any Russia related stuff, Trump is under investigations for a whole range of other crimes including major financial crimes.
 
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Sorry but that's nonsense. You're trying to apply a crazy standard that would mean it's basically impossible to limit foreign influence on an election. The Clinton campaign (and a GOP group before them) hired a US firm to research into Trump. That firm hired a foreigner to investigate and he compiled information from his contacts in Russia. Trying to claim that is the same as the Russian state directly interfering in the US election is just silly.

But as I said even ignoring any Russia related stuff, Trump is under investigations for a whole range of other crimes including major financial crimes.

You are clearly wrong in your analysis.

And Trump has not committed any, as you say, "major financial crimes". If Trump was the hardened criminal gangster you and others are painting him to be he would have been arrested years ago. The only reason for any of these "investigations" is purely political.

To offer yet another example of one person being investigated on bogus charges while another person is clearly proven guilty but not prosecuted, let's look at the case of Stormy Daniels.

(d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Why has Stormy Daniels not been arrested for extortion? Trump is being investigated for paying hush money, which isn't a crime, but the recipient of the hush money, who has committed a federal crime, walks.

This whole thing is laughable.
 
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You'd just as well ask them if they would support impeaching Trump if he rode into town on a unicorn. A thing that never happened never happened.

You miss the entire point (quelle surprise...).

The poll found that even if he were found guilty of conspiring with Russians or obstructing justice, they would still support him...!

People were asked to give their opinions if he were guilty...apparently, Republicans would look the other way...
 
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You miss the entire point (quelle surprise...).

The poll found that even if he were found guilty of conspiring with Russians or obstructing justice, they would still support him...!

People were asked to give their opinions if he were guilty...apparently, Republicans would look the other way...

I would likely take that same position on general principle. It creates a dichotomy. Is abandoning Trump an admission that everything that has gone on over the last two years has been right?

I see this entire thing as a grotesque abuse of authority on the part of the government and I might be tempted as a protest against that abuse to support Trump.
 
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MOST REPUBLICANS WOULDN'T SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT EVEN IF MUELLER PROVES HE ACCEPTED RUSSIAN ASSISTANCE OR OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE, POLL SHOWS.

Most of GOP wouldn't support Trump impeachment even if he took Russian assistance: poll

For the umpteenth time....

There is no point in trying to convince Trump supporters...you vote them out of existence...!

It's been a long time in the making and it's mostly due to international trade deals the way I see it. It would be dishonest to believe that things like NAFTA did not have their detractors on both sides of a border. Same thing with other trade relationships. These things build up over time to a boiling point. What happens? Donald Trump is elected President of the United States.

As long as the voter base believes that these deals with foreign countries are lob sided towards other countries. A fact that Trump could actually take money from any foreigner while at the same time taking an adversarial approach to trade with them and get the bigger end of the stick too. Short of actually shooting someone in Times Square, Mueller's conclusions can do more to re-elect him rather than vote him out of office.

This too can become a nothing burger.
 
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