Predestination of sin, false teachers and their teachings?

[EmSw]

Are you infralapsarian or supralapsarian?

Which divided camp is assured Heaven?

 

[EmSw]

Hardening Pharaoh's heart is damnation not grace. Turning refined women into cannibals who ate their young in the siege of Jerusalem (according to Josephus) was part of the wrath of God in judgement of the nation. Thank God he hasn't placed you under his wrath and done the same with you. But God tells us;

“And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” (Deuteronomy 30:6) (KJV 1900)

So, if God's hardens your heart, you are assured damnation, right? And may I add, you can't do anything about it, right?

Who turns women into cannibals? Is this the god you serve? Why do you pronounce God's wrath upon other's, while thinking you are somehow exempt? Does God arbitrarily choose upon whom He pours out His wrath?

Why would God place me under His wrath if I choose to repent of my sin and live according to His commands? Why would God harden my heart against that?

 

[ladodgers6]

Are you infralapsarian or supralapsarian?

Dave I have no problem, answering any questions you have. But lets be fair, answer my questions, and in turn I'll answer yours. Sound fair?

 

[Dave L]

Before I retort, I have to say, I see you placing a lot of blame on God. But make no mention of how evil people are? Why?

Abortions, school shootings, Las Vegas shootings, Uber shootings, robbing, killing, child sex trafficking, drugs, racial hatred and so forth.

I will debate you on this topic, as I have debated people in the past with the same premises.

Dave I have no problem, answering any questions you have. But lets be fair, answer my questions, and in turn I'll answer yours. Sound fair?

Paul says God works all things after the council of his own will. As a Calvinist, you should have no problem with God creating and sustaining evil for Good ends.

 

[Dave L]

So, if God's hardens your heart, you are assured damnation, right? And may I add, you can't do anything about it, right?

Who turns women into cannibals? Is this the god you serve? Why do you pronounce God's wrath upon other's, while thinking you are somehow exempt? Does God arbitrarily choose upon whom He pours out His wrath?

Why would God place me under His wrath if I choose to repent of my sin and live according to His commands? Why would God harden my heart against that?

People always freely choose for the reasons God uses to control them. That is, they do what they want most based on the reasons that God uses to lead or drive them them to choose what they want.

 

[Dave L]

Which divided camp is assured Heaven?

Just two sides of the same coin.

 

[ladodgers6]

Paul says God works all things after the council of his own will. As a Calvinist, you should have no problem with God creating and sustaining evil for Good ends.

I see you are not going to answer any of my questions. Which is fine. You know that I am a Calvinist. What camp are you from?

 

[ladodgers6]

Paul says God works all things after the council of his own will. As a Calvinist, you should have no problem with God creating and sustaining evil for Good ends.

Why is your profile page blocked? I hope you are not ashamed of your religion?

 

[Dave L]

I see you are not going to answer any of my questions. Which is fine. You know that I am a Calvinist. What camp are you from?

How long have you been a "Calvinist"? Most have a general understanding of God and evil.

 

[Dave L]

Why is your profile page blocked? I hope you are not ashamed of your religion?

Why alienate people by wearing unscriptural epithets?

 

[ladodgers6]

How long have you been a "Calvinist"? Most have a general understanding of God and evil.

I totally understand what you are asking me. I just want a fair debate, where each side addresses the other's question. And not one just firing away. Would you agree with this?

Infra vs Supra, is no novelty. There is no 'NEW' debate. Only old ones, dressed up a bit, but the same.

 

[ladodgers6]

Why alienate people by wearing unscriptural epithets?

Calvin despised the term or nickname, "Calvinism". He preferred the "Doctrines of Grace". Anyway, its how it is, that we receive labels. And no matter what you believe, there is a religion out there already.

So I am not alienating anybody, this is history of religion. So I ask you, why block your profile page so people can conduct some research on you? Why not state what you believe and why you believe it?

 

[Dave L]

Calvin despised the term or nickname, "Calvinism". He preferred the "Doctrines of Grace". Anyway, its how it is, that we receive labels. And no matter what you believe, there is a religion out there already.

So I am not alienating anybody, this is history of religion. So I ask you, why block your profile page so people can conduct some research on you? Why not state what you believe and why you believe it?

For the same reason I don't align with political parties. You alienate people before you ever open your mouth. What I would like to see though is a forum where contributors must carry a warning label, like a pack of cigarettes, including all their doctrinal positions.

 

[Dave L]

I totally understand what you are asking me. I just want a fair debate, where each side addresses the other's question. And not one just firing away. Would you agree with this?

Infra vs Supra, is no novelty. There is no 'NEW' debate. Only old ones, dressed up a bit, but the same.

Why debate?

 

[ladodgers6]

Why debate?

You caricature Classical Calvinism not to be confused with Hyper-Calvinism. That's why.

 

[ladodgers6]

For the same reason I don't align with political parties. You alienate people before you ever open your mouth. What I would like to see though is a forum where contributors must carry a warning label, like a pack of cigarettes, including all their doctrinal positions.

You can say whatever you want, but whatever you believe, for whatever reason, are not willingly to share it. Will be nothing new. You will be labeled if you like it or not. But by the sound of your speak, I believe you are either, Pelagian, semi-pelagian or Arminian.

 

[BCsenior]

For those who believe that God predestines everything,
I have the following questions ...

This is so ludicrous ... don't even bother.
Doesn't everyone know that we have free will?

 

[ladodgers6]

This is so ludicrous ... don't even bother.
Doesn't everyone know that we have free will?

Yes, we have a free-will. Calvinists do not deny this. Because when somebody sins they do it willingly, not against their wills. What we believe is that the fallen race is bound to what they desire; what they lust for; what they have an appetite for. Which is sin, evil, lust of the flesh and so forth. This is what they choose!

Esphesians 2:1As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh a and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

 

[ladodgers6]

Why debate?

You believe that Classical Calvinist believe and teach Omni-Causalism. And this couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Dave L]

You believe that Classical Calvinist believe and teach Omni-Causalism. And this couldn't be further from the truth.

I think the Westminster Confession provides the scriptural teaching on the matter. Do you agree with it?