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Thank you for the scripture.
No prob. It's the main reason the Wednesday theory cannot possibly be correct.
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Thank you for the scripture.
No need for you to reply either unless you want to.Love you man, and that's not a jest. I want reply anymore. Just do this, you say from Wed twilight to Sat at twilight. 72 hrs. would be from 3-6 pm Wed- Sat 3-6 pm this would put the resurrection in the daytime before sunset that starts Sunday. You don't have to reply in love Rodron
....3 days and 3 nights exactly.
"But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:30-40
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That simply isn't true. We do not say that Jesus was resurrected on the 4th day.And, according to Wednesdayers, resurrected on the 4th day instead of the 3rd, which no one believed until very recently.
I will agree with you here - up to a point.Sunday was the third day, not just since the burial, but since the handing over and the crucifixion.
Are you reading my posts? I did not claim that "in the heart of the earth" means the grave. And I also said that Jonah and the big fish was not analogous to the grave.Jesus said that just as Johan was 3 days and nights in the while, so Jesus would be 3 days and nights in the "heart of the earth" whatever that means. You claim it's the grave, but there's nothing analogous to the grave in Jonah's captivity to the whale.
That's what I said.CA said:But if "heart of the earth" is referring to Jesus' captivity to earthly judges, that is analogous. And the timeline of Jesus' captivity, from Thursday night to Sunday morning is 3 days and 3 nights.
That is correct.CA said:But the grave analogy doesn't work on any level. He wasn't in the grave 3 nights, and there's nothing in the metaphor or the Jonah analogy to suggest the grave.
...Let's start from scratch OK?
Sunday was indeed the 3rd day since "all of these things" took place. That would include the burial by the disciples and the posting of a guard by the authorities.
Are you reading my posts?....
The 1st and 7th day of ULB are called a holy convocation, never a "Shabbat." And 1st and 7th ULB differ from a Shabbat in that the preparation and cooking of food is specifically permitted. You quoted the scripture. "no manner of work shall be done in them, except that which every man must eat, that only may be done by you." This vs. does not mean eating. Since eating is permitted on all holy convocations it would not be necessary to specifically permit it in only one verse. See this from two Jewish sources. I'm just guessing here but I think Jews have a better understanding of the Torah, i.e. OT, than non-JewsFirst day of unleavened bread is a Shabbat day, because no work should be done then.
In the first day there shall be to you a holy convocation, and in the seventh day a holy convocation; no manner of work shall be done in them, except that which every man must eat, that only may be done by you.
Exodus 12:16
In the first day you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no regular work.
Lev. 23:7
You're the only one stressing Sunday morning for the resurrection. The scriptures you have used to show that only show that the women were coming to anoint Him on Sunday morning while still dark. He was long gone and the saints resurrected with Him were appearing in the city during the night.Explain how you can have a Wednesday crucifixion and a resurrection on Sunday the third day.
“suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law,“crucified, resurrected third day (Matt. 16:21)
- “delivered into the hands of men,” crucified, resurrected third day (Matt. 17:22)
- “delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law,” crucified, resurrected third day (Matt. 20:18-19, Mark 10:33-34)
- “suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law,” crucified, resurrected third day (Luke 9:21-22)
- “delivered over to the Gentiles,” crucified, resurrected third day (Luke 18:32-33)
- “delivered over to the hands of sinners,” crucified, resurrected third day (Luke 24:7).
You're the only one stressing Sunday morning for the resurrection. The scriptures you have used to show that only show that the women were coming to anoint Him on Sunday morning while still dark. He was long gone and the saints resurrected with Him were appearing in the city during the night.
It's not difficult at all. In fact all Wed. crucifixion advocates say that the resurrection was at the beginning of Sunday.Okay, so now you're abandoning Sunday (the first day of the week) as the resurrection day. Fine. This is what I try to get all Wednesdayers to admit. It's not easy.
As they say at Geico. Everyone knows that. Jesus was resurrected at the beginning of Sunday which is sundown of Saturday.Rose when? The first day of the week. Sunday morning. Does Mark say only the tomb was merely discovered Sunday? No, he sure doesn't. He says Jesus rose on Sunday.
It is undeniable.
I said I was not going to reply again but as I said before I love you and I do. The Jewish time the day starts at sundown. The dark is the first of the day the same as creation dark was before light. The time you are talking about is after sundown which is the next day. They placed Jesus in the tomb before sundown on Passover day, whatever day you may say it is. The reason they had to put him in the tomb before sundown was the next day was the a Sabbath. It was the first day of Unleavened Bread what ever day you say that was. So if you say it was between day and night that is the next day. Between the evening is from noon to sunset not from sunset till dark.No need for you to reply either unless you want to.
Twilight isn't a three hour period as you say. It's an intermediate time right at the very changeover of day to night or night to day.
"Afterwards Joseph of Arimathea, who had been a secret disciple of Jesus for fear of the Jewish leaders, boldly asked Pilate for permission to take Jesus' body down; and Pilate told him to go ahead. So he came and took it away. Nicodemus, the man who had come to Jesus at night, came too, bringing a hundred pounds of embalming ointment made from myrrh and aloes. Together they wrapped Jesus' body in a long linen cloth saturated with the spices, as is the Jewish custom of burial. The place of crucifixion was near a grove of trees, where there was a new tomb, never used before. And so, because of the need for haste before the Sabbath, and because the tomb was close at hand, they laid him there" John.19:38‑42
They did not entomb Him right at 3 P.M. or lay Him down in the tomb over a 3 hour period. They took Him down sometime after His death which occurred shortly after 3 P.M. They entombed Him sometime after going to ask for the body, taking the body down, and preparing spices. They went through an anointing process of sorts, and lay the body in the tomb after these acts were all completed - just in the nick of time as it turned out. There was no coincidence with God.
If the time of the placing in the tomb was as I suggest - we have the following.
DDDDD*NNNNN (1st night) DDDDD (1st day) NNNNN (2nd night) DDDDD (2nd day) NNNNN (3rd night) DDDDD (3rd day)*(ressurection)NNNNN*(ascension)
3 days and 3 nights exactly.
"But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:30-40
What had been crystal clear in the Hebrew language scriptures for some 800 years was equally clear to those hearing in Aramaic or who have read it later in Greek.
Love your graphics I wish I could do that.And herein lies the dilemma for all Wednesday advocates. No matter how you slice it, Sunday cannot be the third day. Yet Scripture is adamant Jesus rose Sunday (the 1st day of the week), the third day since the crucifixion. This is the teaching of the New Testament. This has been the belief of the Church from the beginning. It's important.
But in the Wednesday scheme, the 7th day of the week (Saturday) becomes the third day since the events of the crucifixion, even if the counting is delayed until Wednesday night (the beginning of Thursday). Good intention, but the theory contradicts the New Testament.
It’s not impossible for the Messiah to have risen from the dead on “Saturday”. Not saying he did, but it’s definitely possible.I do too. I believe Jesus was crucified Friday and Raised Sunday morning.
Friday is the only day that works if Sunday is the third day. If you believe a Wednesday crucifixion, then Sunday is the fifth day, especially since "all these things took place."
Impossible. Scripture says Jesus rose the first day of the week, which is the 3rd day since the crucifixion.
Mark 16:9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.
And the word "early" is a reference to morning. proi - in the morning, early, Mt. 16:3; 20:1; Mk. 15:1; Acts 28:23; the morning watch, which ushers in the dawn, Mk. 13:35 ˘ dawn; early; morning. (Mounce) Mark cannot be referring to the night before. The resurrection had to have occurred during the twilight of the morning on the first day of the week.
Sunday morning is your only possible resurrection time.
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
And herein lies the dilemma for all Wednesday advocates. No matter how you slice it, Sunday cannot be the third day. Yet Scripture is adamant Jesus rose Sunday (the 1st day of the week), the third day since the crucifixion. This is the teaching of the New Testament. This has been the belief of the Church from the beginning. It's important.
But in the Wednesday scheme, the 7th day of the week (Saturday) becomes the third day since the events of the crucifixion, even if the counting is delayed until Wednesday night (the beginning of Thursday). Good intentions, but the theory contradicts the New Testament.
The biblical first day of the week begins at sunset on what is called “Saturday”. Christ could have resurrected at any point after sunset on what the world calls “Saturday” and it would have been the first day of the week.
The scriptures number the days of the week - first day, 2nd day etc
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday etc are pagan in name and concept and origin.
It’s not impossible for the Messiah to have risen from the dead on “Saturday”. Not saying he did, but it’s definitely possible....