Child sacrifice in America dealt with by heaven

[dad]

You defined sin as "disobedience to God". Don't come complaining because I don't know what your criteria encompasses.

Scripture covers that.

It is neither murder nor child sacrifice, so no it does not.

God disagrees.

 

[dad]

And with the amount of suffering in the world, there are those who have argued that non existence would have been preferable.

The rest of us disagree.

“Ignore the preventable evils and keep pretending an omnibenelovent god exists” really isn’t my thing. I’m not a head-in-the-sand kind of guy. I’m much more content pointing out gaps in religious logic to those who actually listen.

I am not one to ignore God and focus on evil, sorry.

Ah, there it is. The “you’ll get yours in the end” line. I always see that when someone doesn’t have actual answers...

Of course the Judge is coming to bring peace and love and laughter ever after.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

I read the chapter, and unless I am missing something you are once again dead wrong. Having a man in anger ask for some silly revenge act to happen is NOT God asking! t only that, but it seems the lady was sent TWO children rather than just the one by God! Hahahahahahahahahaha

It seems to me that you are missing something, yes. It wasn't Judah himself who wrote that story, and whoever did write it (Moses, wasn't it?) was completely unconcerned about a pregnant woman being burned to death. The story shows absolutely no condemnation of Judah at all; nobody cared about executing a pregnant woman. There were no biblical rules against it; God didn't care.
So, hahahahahahaha yourself. Not only does the Bible have nothing against abortion in it, it doesn't even notice the unborn, doesn't care about them at all.

It is almost like you refuse to admit God sends children and punishes those who kill and sacrifice them.

A huge amount of assumptions there that you're going to have to back up instead of airily breezing over. God sends children? By stork, wasn't it? And God punishes women who have abortions? Not that I've noticed. It's almost like you're just making up everything you say.

Still pretending murdering little ones is cool?

Abortion isn't murder, fetuses aren't children, and the Bible doesn't say abortion is wrong.

Explain to us how Jesus did not love the little children? Explain where He ran around ripping babies from the womb? Explain how Jesus wanted us to be mass murderers especially of innocent little babies? Explain to us how Jesus advocated sacrificing babies?

Explain to us where Jesus had anything at all to say about abortions, something that was well known Biblical times.
I've already posted arguments as to why abortion is not immoral. You had nothing to answer them.

Cheer up, the Judge is coming soon.

Christians have been saying that ever since Jesus left. His actual disciples expected him to come back in their lifetimes.
Tell me, when do you think Jesus will come back? In your life time? In this decade? Before the year 2200?

God disagrees.

Says you.

 

[InterestedAtheist]

So why wouldn't God simply create man so that they're not in sin? Then they could do whatever they wanted and it would be
"for good". Problem solved.

Well, I assume He knows what He is doing.

In other words, you can't answer her. She's right, it doesn't make sense, and you can't show that it does.

He created man with real choice so I guess that is the best thing. God did create man 'not in sin' by the way. Sin came later when they disobeyed and invited death in.

You guess, huh?
The logic goes like this:
1. If people have free will in heaven, then they have the possibility of doing evil. Ergo, at some point in the infinite time they reside there, they will do evil. Ergo, heaven is not heavenly.
2. If people do not have free will in heaven, then they are "robots", or "neutered cats", as you put it; ergo, heaven is not heavenly.
3. If it is somehow possible for God to create people with free will but with no possibility of doing evil, then why didn't He do so already on earth?

So. Explain to us, if you can, how is it that free will can exist in heaven, without evil.

 

[Belk]

Scripture covers that.

That's nice

God disagrees.

You are not God and I do not find your claims to know what an infinite being thinks credible.

 

[Rajni]

If there was no sin yet in the world, the disobedience at the time was what brought sin into the world for man. I would call it a sin as would you. Technically, it was disobedience that resulted in sin I would think. Now we, from the perspective of sin would think of all things in those terms. We know no other reality now.

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Disobedience
is, itself, a sin, so how could it come about unless sin had already
entered the world prior to it occurring?

Maybe take a poll of those knowing they are unsaved and going to hell. Ask them if they would like the curtain call to happen right this moment so that they would go to hell now and have no chance of getting eternal life? People are getting saved all the time.

Maybe God isn't as upset by abortion as pro-birthers insist He
must be. Especially if He has created people knowing in advance
that hell is supposedly where they would end up in the end
("hell" being a fairy tale I personally do not subscribe to, by
the way).

 

[dad]

It seems to me that you are missing something, yes. It wasn't Judah himself who wrote that story, and whoever did write it (Moses, wasn't it?) was completely unconcerned about a pregnant woman being burned to death. The story shows absolutely no condemnation of Judah at all; nobody cared about executing a pregnant woman. There were no biblical rules against it; God didn't care.
So, hahahahahahaha yourself. Not only does the Bible have nothing against abortion in it, it doesn't even notice the unborn, doesn't care about them at all.

Everything in the bible that is about child sacrifice and murder is about abortion. As for what the chapter or prophet was concerned with, I wouldn't ask you. The bile reports things like they are. Not like CNN or some such glossy spin factory.

God sends children?

This is news?

By stork, wasn't it? And God punishes women who have abortions? Not that I've noticed. It's almost like you're just making up everything you say.

Not all murderers are punished here.

Abortion isn't murder, fetuses aren't children,

God overrules you. Nowhere does He say that the people in the womb He sends and blesses and cares for and knows are not 'children'. I will take His word over the justification attempts of mass murderers.

Explain to us where Jesus had anything at all to say about abortions, something that was well known Biblical times.

He loved the little children, and spoke against murder. That'll do it.

Christians have been saying that ever since Jesus left. His actual disciples expected him to come back in their lifetimes.
Tell me, when do you think Jesus will come back? In your life time? In this decade? Before the year 2200?

I don't know. I look for clues in the mid east. If the elections in Israel are done, and they release the peace plan, I would look to see if it included sacrifices being restored or a temple etc. But we don't know. Our job is to be ready.

 

[dad]

In other words, you can't answer her. She's right, it doesn't make sense, and you can't show that it does.

Not everything God does has to make sense to man.

You guess, huh?
The logic goes like this:
1. If people have free will in heaven, then they have the possibility of doing evil. Ergo, at some point in the infinite time they reside there, they will do evil. Ergo, heaven is not heavenly.

Since evil is no longer around, not sure why you are freaking out about facing the evil in heaven!

2. If people do not have free will in heaven, then they are "robots", or "neutered cats", as you put it; ergo, heaven is not heavenly.

A perfect person with free will where no evil exists has no worries. You are projecting.

3. If it is somehow possible for God to create people with free will but with no possibility of doing evil, then why didn't He do so already on earth?

Since all have sinned the opposite holds true. There is no possibility now of NOT sinning.

 

[dad]

That's nice



You are not God and I do not find your claims to know what an infinite being thinks credible.

He actually made it idiot proof. He gave us the bible. Yet some still have problems. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw years ago..'make it idiot proof and they'll build a better idiot'.

 

[dad]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Disobedience
is, itself, a sin,

It is now.

so how could it come about unless sin had already
entered the world prior to it occurring?

As a test. After all this new creature He made had actual free will.

Maybe God isn't as upset by abortion as pro-birthers insist He
must be.

If you want to know how He feels just use the words murder and child sacrifice rather than the modern word.

Especially if He has created people knowing in advance
that hell is supposedly where they would end up in the end
("hell" being a fairy tale I personally do not subscribe to, by
the way).

Seems to me that the world has gone so far to hell that it should be hard to deny it exists. The God of Love is totally different than the hateful hell here.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I am not one to ignore God and focus on evil, sorry.

And like I said, I’m not the kind of person that sticks his head in the sand to avoid thinking about something that can cause rational people to abandon their faith. I’d think that you’d want to help avoid that happening to others by coming up with a logical argument against what I’ve presented...

Of course the Judge is coming to bring peace and love and laughter ever after.

What do you believe happens to a non believer like me?

 

[dad]

And like I said, I’m not the kind of person that sticks his head in the sand to avoid thinking about something that can cause rational people to abandon their faith. I’d think that you’d want to help avoid that happening to others by coming up with a logical argument against what I’ve presented...

People who thought they had faith, need to get out and find actual faith if they were stumbled by your silly misconceptions.

What do you believe happens to a non believer like me?

I believe you get the chance to accept Jesus or reject Him. That determines your eternal fate when we pass on from this plane. You have a chance as we speak for example.

 

[Belk]

He actually made it idiot proof. He gave us the bible. Yet some still have problems. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw years ago..'make it idiot proof and they'll build a better idiot'.

Are you claiming all of your fellow Christians who do not interpret the bible the same as you are idiots?

 

[dad]

Are you claiming all of your fellow Christians who do not interpret the bible the same as you are idiots?

If they support child sacrifice I really don't care what they are.

 

[Belk]

If they support child sacrifice I really don't care what they are.

No one supports child sacrifice.

 

[Strathos]

No one supports child sacrifice.

Moloch does.

 

[Belk]

Moloch does.

 

[dad]

No one supports child sacrifice.

Great.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

He loved the little children, and spoke against murder.

He didn’t love them enough to prevent all of them from being molested.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

People who thought they had faith, need to get out and find actual faith if they were stumbled by your silly misconceptions.

If it was a silly misconception you would be able to refute it using some semblance of logic. Like I’ve said before, I’ve never seen a Christian be able to do so successfully.

I guess I’m... undefeated...