Child sacrifice in America dealt with by heaven

[dad]

Wow, that was easy!
My points remain "undefeated", then.

Being defeated has no prerequisite that one realizes they were defeated.

 

[FireDragon76]

What is described in Numbers is less like a medical abortion and more like a religious ritual. It is assumed a curse is the agent of the miscarriage, not human pharmacopia.

 

[Belk]

Anyone reading His word to man knows the rules and what will follow certain choices and actions actually. No need for your vote at all.

Does your God demand that people be willing to perform actions that are against his nature?

 

[Rajni]

Being defeated has no prerequisite that one realizes they were defeated.

Yet it seems to work for a custom title.

But that aside, back to the topic at hand: Since it seems you haven't
dismissed me entirely, I look forward to your responses to my yet-
unaddressed points in post 125.

 

[dad]

Does your God demand that people be willing to perform actions that are against his nature?

Why? What's He demanding?

 

[dad]

Yet it seems to work for a custom title.

But that aside, back to the topic at hand: Since it seems you haven't
dismissed me entirely, I look forward to your responses to my yet-
unaddressed points in post 125.

I don't think He forced people to conceive. No He is not a robot.

 

[Belk]

Why? What's He demanding?

God said to him, “Abraham!”

And he said, “Yes!”

Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”

 

[Rajni]

I don't think He forced people to conceive.

I don’t either, but then that's not what I was proposing.

No He is not a robot.

Okay, thank you. He’s free but not a robot.

So how do you conclude that others are robots with no free will
if they were created to consistently make the right choices? If
God can consistently do the right thing and not be a robot
with no free will, why insist that humans endowed with that
same ability are robots with no free will?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

The ability to choose has nothing to do with having to pick one option actually.

Ok... one last time...

You've already said that I have free will when I say that I was created with the ability to choose to molest a child, but with no proclivity to do so at all.

Therefore, it's only logical to say that your god could have created everyone with the same trait that I have, which would result in a world with no child molesters at all.

But since your god didn't do this, it means that this god desired there to be child molesters more than not.

It's simple logic.

The depths we sink or rise to depends on our choices! If we reject Jesus, we are on a path to wickedness so great, there are no real limits. If we accept Jesus we are on a path to eternal wonders and joys and goodness, and happiness and joy.

Ah, you've decided to give up on logic and start proselytizing. Well, I wasn't posting all this to convince you anyway...

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Being defeated has no prerequisite that one realizes they were defeated.

Pot...

Kettle...

Black...

 

[dad]

God said to him, “Abraham!”

And he said, “Yes!”

Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”

And all the while what was really meant was more like this probably..
'Abe, I am going to ask you to do something crazy and against all you know is right and even what I have said already...Issac won't really die, but I am going to ask you to sacrifice him'

 

[Belk]

And all the while what was really meant was more like this probably..
'Abe, I am going to ask you to do something crazy and against all you know is right and even what I have said already...Issac won't really die, but I am going to ask you to sacrifice him'

Did, or did not, God request a human sacrifice? Why would God require those who worship him to be willing to do something he finds abhorrent?

 

[dad]

I don’t either, but then that's not what I was proposing.


Okay, thank you. He’s free but not a robot.

So how do you conclude that others are robots with no free will
if they were created to consistently make the right choices? If
God can consistently do the right thing and not be a robot
with no free will, why insist that humans endowed with that
same ability are robots with no free will?

God has no free will?

 

[dad]

Ok... one last time...

You've already said that I have free will when I say that I was created with the ability to choose to molest a child, but with no proclivity to do so at all.

Therefore, it's only logical to say that your god could have created everyone with the same trait that I have, which would result in a world with no child molesters at all.

But since your god didn't do this, it means that this god desired there to be child molesters more than not.

It's simple logic.



Ah, you've decided to give up on logic and start proselytizing. Well, I wasn't posting all this to convince you anyway...

God not violating our free will does not mean He condones all our choices.

 

[dad]

Did, or did not, God request a human sacrifice? Why would God require those who worship him to be willing to do something he finds abhorrent?

Name a few times in the bible God asked people to kill their children? None. The test Abraham passed seemed like one in which he would have to do so. That was not ever the plan though.

 

[Belk]

Name a few times in the bible God asked people to kill their children? None.

How many times do I have to re-post it?

Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

The test Abraham passed seemed like one in which he would have to do so. That was not ever the plan though.

Did or did not God request him to sacrifice his son as a burnt offering?

 

[dad]

How many times do I have to re-post it?

Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."




Did or did not God request him to sacrifice his son as a burnt offering?

Since no child was ever actually killed or even in danger, let's not accuse God of advocating such things.

 

[Belk]

Since no child was ever actually killed or even in danger, let's not accuse God of advocating such things.

Did or did not God request him to sacrifice his son as a burnt offering?

 

[InterestedAtheist]

Nations were judged for child sacrifice. Not all of human rule on earth was involved. Sometimes selected peoples fill up their cup of iniquity so full, that action from God results. That does not mean all people on earth and free will itself for mankind was ended. The clock is ticking though on freedom of choice. There is only now to repent, that window will close one day.

This doesn't actually mean anything; you're just avoiding the question.

Looking at a bible full of actions and reactions, we can deduce that a reaction from God results from an action of man. Namely prayer, repenting, seeking, asking. When I see Saul getting that good ol reaction I know there is a reason.

I'm afraid not. That's just your unsubstantiated opinion. What we know is that God intervened in someone's life, and it didn't violate their free will.
And, of course, why would it? If someone comes up to you and tells you to do something, don't you have the free will to choose not to? Even if it's a giant head in the sky, you could just say no.
So, again, why does God not act to stop abortions if he doesn't like them?

Abortion is just some invented word for killing babies. Of course the bible makes it clear sacrificing children and killing them, or anyone else is very evil.

Funnily enough, that's the very thing we've been discussing in this thread, in which it has been categorically proven that the Bible does not have anything against abortion - and that, in fact, the Bible even tells you to have abortions under certain circumstances.

Having a person with neutered ability to choose has zero to do with God's abilities. Gong. She posited some bizarre limited so called free will for mankind.

No, she pointed out the logical flaw in your argument, and I think she was right. Unless you can disprove her?

Pi in the sky aside, Adam and Eve DID have real choice. The choice was not something like, 'I won't allow your feet to walk anywhere near that tree' or 'I will deafen your ears and tie your tongue if that ol serpent is ever near'. The choice was between real evil and real good.

You either didn't understand the question, or chose to ignore it.

Wrong. Jesus made heaven totally absolutely possible for sinners!

Apparently not, though! Because you have not yet been able to address the problem of heaven. So it must be asked:

Is there free will in heaven?

 

[dad]

Did or did not God request him to sacrifice his son as a burnt offering?

Yes.