Can't CERN open Star Gate to hell?

[loveofourlord]

Because they already learned all they could at lower energies, and to get to higher energies requires a bigger machine, at least until someone comes up with a practicable new approach.

It's going toward building the immense accelerator, and the immense detectors, and all of the research and salaries that go along with it. The data are the results of particle collisions, which can tell you at the most fundamental level how the universe works. It has no foreseeable practical application.

Nah, physicists already did that and gave humanity the ability to destroy the planet. No point in repeating ourselves.

Should society spend those billions learning about fundamental physics? That's a question for society to answer. Personally, I decided to do something with at least some potential useful applications.

but like been said the practical application of these experiments is in the building and creating of new devices, it's like Nasa and going to the moon, going to the moon didn't get us new technology and advances, it was all the stuff goig into getting up to the moon.

The excitement for alot of these projects for non scienctists is the advancements made to get there.

 

[usexpat97]

Not according to Al Gore. He said he invented the internet; so I assume that means DARPA did NOT.

That is not at all what Al Gore said. That was politics blowing it out of proportion. These government science projects have to have a political arm, to secure funding. Politics are so nonsensical to a scientist, they don't want to mess with it. Plus you keep having that problem that's been mentioned here: "Why are we doing this? What am I getting with my money?" Well...we don't know. It's research.

Enter Senator Gore. He DID put in a lot of work to bring about the internet--on the POLITICAL side. And that counts. He also championed the Supercollider, too (CERN's big brother in the U.S.). But his own running mate, Bill Clinton, killed it. Gore got a raw deal on that one.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

That is not at all what Al Gore said. That was politics blowing it out of proportion. These government science projects have to have a political arm, to secure funding. Politics are so nonsensical to a scientist, they don't want to mess with it. Plus you keep having that problem that's been mentioned here: "Why are we doing this? What am I getting with my money?" Well...we don't know. It's research.

Enter Senator Gore. He DID put in a lot of work to bring about the internet--on the POLITICAL side. And that counts. He also championed the Supercollider, too (CERN's big brother in the U.S.). But his own running mate, Bill Clinton, killed it. Gore got a raw deal on that one.

Yes; Snopes has the full story on this myth.

 

[usexpat97]

That is interesting. ID is a hoax perpetrated by the Discovery Institute of Seattle, designed as a Trojan Horse to sneak biblical creationism (along with their radical Calvinist political agenda) into the public schools here in the US. Are they following the same game plan in other countries?

Is this a thread for bizarre theories? There might have been some Greeks and Romans a few thousand years before there was a Seattle who believed titans created the earth, or some Mesopotamians who believed the god Apsu created the world a few thousand years before them.

 

[Speedwell]

Is this a thread for bizarre theories? There might have been some Greeks and Romans a few thousand years before there was a Seattle who believed titans created the earth, or some Mesopotamians who believed the god Apsu created the world a few thousand years before them.

And there are people in Seattle who purport to believe that God tinkers with the biosphere from time to time to produce biological structures which evolution alone cannot master. So?

 

[Kenny'sID]

I was thinking of scientists in general outside of this country. Or people in general, if you like. People outside the US don't know or care very much about creationism as most creationists live in the US. Even so, people in the US wouldn't care about them very much either if so many creationists hadn't made a political issue out of it.

See, when it's just a joke to begin with, no explanation is necessary.

But I suppose you had something else to say there, so...

Oh, and on your "most Creationists are in the USA" comment. I thought you were just making that up, and got a little tired of hearing it, so I checked...here's a quote from the link that follows:

"The "evolutionist" view was most popular in Sweden (68%), Germany (65%), and China (64%), with the United States ranking 18th (28%), between Mexico (34%) and Russia (26%); the "creationist" view was most popular in Saudi Arabia (75%), Turkey (60%), and Indonesia (57%), with the United States ranking 6th (40%), between Brazil (47%) and Russia (34%)."

And that's among the countries polled in 2011..the most significant would be my guess. Maybe you have a more recent that proves otherwise?

Polling creationism and evolution around the world

 

[USincognito]

Tachyons could get us to faster-than-light travel. How does that sound? For awhile there we thought we had it.

No they cannot. Tachyons are hypothetical particles that only travel faster than the speed of light. Their use in Sci-Fi does not accurately reflect the hypothetical proposal.

It is "cool", because it is erotic naked idol. The idolatry comes together with sex sins.

You think a Nataraja statue of Shiva doing the dance of creation and destruction is erotic?

Although they can be subliminal.

No they literally cannot. Tachyons only travel faster than light.

 

[Speedwell]

See, when it's just a joke to begin with, no explanation is necessary.

But I suppose you had something else to say there, so...

Oh, and on your "most Creationists are in the USA" comment. I thought you were just making that up, and got a little tired of hearing it, so I checked...here's a quote from the link that follows:

"The "evolutionist" view was most popular in Sweden (68%), Germany (65%), and China (64%), with the United States ranking 18th (28%), between Mexico (34%) and Russia (26%); the "creationist" view was most popular in Saudi Arabia (75%), Turkey (60%), and Indonesia (57%), with the United States ranking 6th (40%), between Brazil (47%) and Russia (34%)."

And that's among the countries polled in 2011..the most significant would be my guess. Maybe you have a more recent that proves otherwise?

Polling creationism and evolution around the world

Those numbers really don't tell us anything about it.

Take a look at the questions:

• Some people are referred to as 'evolutionist's' [sic] and believe that human beings were in fact created over a long period of time of evolution growing into fully formed human beings they are today from lower species such as apes;
• Some people are referred to as 'creationist's' and believe that human beings were in fact created by a spiritual force such as the God they believe in and do not believe that the origin of man came from evolving from other species such as apes; and
• Some people simply don't know what to believe and sometimes agree or disagree with theories and ideas put forward by both creationist's and evolutionist's.

It's basically a poll about whether man emerged as a product of biological evolution or not. There's nothing in there about the Bible, the age of the Earth, the Garden of Eden, the Flood. All you can tell from that poll is whether the people polled believed that man evolved or not. You can't really tell if they're creationists. And really, how many Evangelical Protestant fundamentalists do you think there are in places like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Indonesia?

 

[sfs]

Tachyons could get us to faster-than-light travel. How does that sound? For awhile there we thought we had it.

I think very few physicists thought that the supposed FTL signal was real.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Those numbers really don't tell us anything about it.

Take a look at the questions:

• Some people are referred to as 'evolutionist's' [sic] and believe that human beings were in fact created over a long period of time of evolution growing into fully formed human beings they are today from lower species such as apes;
• Some people are referred to as 'creationist's' and believe that human beings were in fact created by a spiritual force such as the God they believe in and do not believe that the origin of man came from evolving from other species such as apes; and
• Some people simply don't know what to believe and sometimes agree or disagree with theories and ideas put forward by both creationist's and evolutionist's.

It's basically a poll about whether man emerged as a product of biological evolution or not. There's nothing in there about the Bible, the age of the Earth, the Garden of Eden, the Flood. All you can tell from that poll is whether the people polled believed that man evolved or not. You can't really tell if they're creationists. And really, how many Evangelical Protestant fundamentalists do you think there are in places like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Indonesia?

Seemed pretty cut and dry to me once they got right down to brass tacks/wrapping it up.

Now show me the stats that prove you are correct. And I'd say if you cannot show me, then just admit you made it up, something the evolution community often does, but you will never admit that.

 

[Strathos]

There are large Christian creationist movements in the UK and Australia in addition to the US. In many other countries it's mostly Muslim creationism. In India there is such a thing as Vedic creationism (which actually posits that the earth is much older than scientists say it is, and humans have lived on it, looking much the same for trillions of years).

 

[Speedwell]

Seemed pretty cut and dry to me once they got right down to brass tacks/wrapping it up.

Now show me the stats that prove you are correct. And I'd say if you cannot show me, then just admit you made it up, something the evolution community often does, but you will never admit that.

Consider just three of the countries listed:

Saudi Arabia. There are about 1.6 million Christians living in Saudi Arabia. Over a million of these are Roman Catholics. The number of creationists in the balance is not known.
Turkey. There are about 8000 Protestants in Turkey. It is unlikely that all of them are creationists.
Indonesia. Indonesia is your best bet, with the largest Protestant population in Asia (7% of the total population) How many of them are actually creationists is not known.

So altogether in those three countries there are fewer than 20 million Protestants out of 380 million inhabitants. Even if you claimed that all of them were creationists (highly unlikely) it's not more than 5%


I stand by my statement. Overall there are something like two billion Christians in the world and billions of other kinds of theists, but only about 100 million creationists, most of them in the US, and I think that's a generous estimate.

 

[Ophiolite]

There are large Christian creationist movements in the UK and Australia in addition to the US.

Large? (One could almost challenge the assertion that there is a large Christian movement in the UK.) I'm presuming you have some data to support this? Links/Citations please.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Consider just three of the countries listed:

Saudi Arabia. There are about 1.6 million Christians living in Saudi Arabia. Over a million of these are Roman Catholics. The number of creationists in the balance is not known.
Turkey. There are about 8000 Protestants in Turkey. It is unlikely that all of them are creationists.
Indonesia. Indonesia is your best bet, with the largest Protestant population in Asia (7% of the total population) How many of them are actually creationists is not known.

So altogether in those three countries there are fewer than 20 million Protestants out of 380 million inhabitants. Even if you claimed that all of them were creationists (highly unlikely) it's not more than 5%

I stand by my statement. Overall there are something like two billion Christians in the world and billions of other kinds of theists, but only about 100 million creationists, most of them in the US, and I think that's a generous estimate.

Of course you do.

And i stand by my statement as well as my request for you to prove otherwise with stats that will, beyond reasonable doubt, back your statement that I still believe is and always has been made up.

Surely for you to make the claim, you have something that led you to believe the claim?

 

[Speedwell]

Of course you do.

And i stand by my statement as well as my request for you to prove otherwise with stats that will, beyond reasonable doubt, back your statement that I still believe is and always has been made up.

Surely for you to make the claim, you have something that led you to believe the claim?

The numbers I gave you.

How many fundamentalist Evangelicals do you think there are?

All you've shown us so far is how many people believe in the special creation of man, not how many disbelieve in evolution altogether, or in any science which contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The numbers I gave you.

How many fundamentalist Evangelicals do you think there are?

All you've shown us so far is how many people believe in the special creation of man, not how many disbelieve in evolution altogether, or in any science which contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis.

It doesn't matter what I've shown so far, I made no claims at the onset and only dropped enough on you to let you know although I never thought you were right, here are a few reason that back that. If you don't think my reasons disprove anything, that fine, I don't have to because I never made any original claim.

So in effort to do away with the present confusion and to make this simple, I suggest you forget about all that's been said here since your claim, and back it up with stats. You either have good reason for making the claim or you do not. And steering this into, or just dwelling on the confusion aspect, or that what has been posted isn't reliable, instead of simply showing me where you got your actual reliable numbers from, isn't helping.

Nothing you have shown here is even close to definite, and in order to make a definite claim you'll need to show at least something close to definite stats that don't require guess work or opinions that may or may not be wrong.

 

[joinfree]

You can't open a star gate to places that don't exist.

DEFINITIONS:
Most painful place is hell,
Most joyful place is Heaven.

 

[Jimmy D]

Large? (One could almost challenge the assertion that there is a large Christian movement in the UK.) I'm presuming you have some data to support this? Links/Citations please.

Well, we have got the Jehovah's Witness. I don't know if they are YECs although they do try to peddle the old "<blanks> must be designed, they're so amazing!" argument.

 

[Strathos]

Well, we have got the Jehovah's Witness. I don't know if they are YECs although they do try to peddle the old "<blanks> must be designed, they're so amazing!" argument.

JW reject evolution at a higher rate than most other Christian denominations IIRC. Only SDAs are close.

But JWs are against participation in politics so they're not going to be voting for creationist policies or lobbying the government to teach it.

 

[Dave-W]

"Although they can be subliminal."

No they literally cannot. Tachyons only travel faster than light.

Did you read the comment I was replying to?

" ... tachyons can not become sub-luminal."

It was a joke.