Matthew 5 "fulfill the Law" - and 2 contexts: A-Moral Law, B-Ceremonial

[LoveGodsWord]

How would your request relate to Mat 5:17-18?

Already answered and posted somewhere on page 1.

MATTHEW 5:17 is in reference to both the MOSIAC BOOK of the shadow laws, the prophets and the psalms as well as God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

So when it says JESUS did not come to destroy the LAW and the prophets many actually try to do just this by trying to claim that JESUS fullfilled God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) so that we do not have to. We know this is NOT true because JESUS goes on to MAGNIFY God's LAW (10 Commandments) applying the 10 commandments to our very thoughts and feelings from the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour.

MATTHEW 5:17 is stating JESUS did not come to destroy the law and the prophets. All the SHADOW laws that pointed to JESUS as the MESSIAH are fulfilled in JESUS just as he perfectly fulfilled God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in order to be our perfect sacrifice for sin to show us God's LOVE and to bring us back to God.

God's WORD does not say JESUS fulfilled God's LAW so that we are now free to break it. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. JESUS saves us from SIN not to to continue in sin *JOHN 8:31-36.

God bless.

 

[BABerean2]

Your just posting a lot of unrelated scriptures together brother which are posted out of CONTEXT. Here let's make it easy for the conversation.

Please post the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY?

If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

Only posted in LOVE as a help to you brother.

You have to ignore a tremendous amount of New Testament scripture to make your doctrine work.
Or, you could claim the scripture I have already posted is "unrelated" or taken "out of context".

I will let the unbiased witnesses here be the judge of the above.
If you label yourself as "SDA", can you comment here without bias?

We are not commanded to keep any day as a Sabbath day in the New Covenant, because Christ is our Sabbath rest every day of the week.
You must ignore Colossians 2:16-17 in order to force a Sabbath day on Christians.

Below you will find a man who was able to let go of the covenant of "bondage" found in Galatians 4:24-31.

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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[miamited]

Hi rob,

Thanks for your reply. You wrote:

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of what the 'new covenant' is. Jeremiah didn't write any of the new covenant. He did, however, write about the new covenant. I think I made that clear in my post that his writing was prophetic in nature concerning the 'new covenant' that was to come in Jesus, although the specific topic was his prophetic writings concerning the law.

Yes, I'm sure that we are in agreement on much of what the Scriptures tell us.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[BobRyan]

Hi rob,

Thanks for your reply. You wrote:


There seems to be a misunderstanding of what the 'new covenant' is. Jeremiah didn't write any of the new covenant. He did, however, write about the new covenant.

"THIS IS the New Covenant..." makes it clear in his own words what he was writing.

Very different from "there are a few things you should know about the New Covenant"

That New Covenant -- with the law written on the heart precedes Jeremiah - it is the "one Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 that was "preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

 

[ace of hearts]

Already answered and posted somewhere on page 1.

Some where on page 1 doesn't answer my question.

MATTHEW 5:17 is in reference to both the MOSIAC BOOK of the shadow laws, the prophets and the psalms as well as God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

So when it says JESUS did not come to destroy the LAW and the prophets many actually try to do just this by trying to claim that JESUS fullfilled God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) so that we do not have to. We know this is NOT true because JESUS goes on to MAGNIFY God's LAW (10 Commandments) applying the 10 commandments to our very thoughts and feelings from the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour.

I need you to quote anyone besides people who push the law saying anything close to - "many actually try to do just this by trying to claim that JESUS fullfilled God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) so that we do not have to."

MATTHEW 5:17 is stating JESUS did not come to destroy the law and the prophets. All the SHADOW laws that pointed to JESUS as the MESSIAH are fulfilled in JESUS just as he perfectly fulfilled God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in order to be our perfect sacrifice for sin to show us God's LOVE and to bring us back to God.

God's WORD does not say JESUS fulfilled God's LAW so that we are now free to break it. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. JESUS saves us from SIN not to to continue in sin *JOHN 8:31-36.

I need you to quote anyone except people who push the law remotely saying - "God's WORD does not say JESUS fulfilled God's LAW so that we are now free to break it."

 

[ace of hearts]

"THIS IS the New Covenant..." makes it clear in his own words what he was writing.

Very different from "there are a few things you should know about the New Covenant"

That New Covenant -- with the law written on the heart precedes Jeremiah - it is the "one Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 that was "preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

The New Covenant wasn't preached to Abraham. The only Gospel preached to Abraham was the promise of a Redeemer and Abraham accepted this by faith. This law you talk about wasn't written on anyone's heart.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You have to ignore a tremendous amount of New Testament scripture to make your doctrine work.
Or, you could claim the scripture I have already posted is "unrelated" or taken "out of context".

I will let the unbiased witnesses here be the judge of the above.
If you label yourself as "SDA", can you comment here without bias?

We are not commanded to keep any day as a Sabbath day in the New Covenant, because Christ is our Sabbath rest every day of the week.
You must ignore Colossians 2:16-17 in order to force a Sabbath day on Christians.

Below you will find a man who was able to let go of the covenant of "bondage" found in Galatians 4:24-31.

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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Rubbish. As already shown through the scriptures already your interpretation to everything you have posted so far has no truth in it. You have posted a bunch of scriptures out of CONTEXT. Not one of the scriptures you have provided say that God's 4th commandments is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of men handed down to protestantism that has lead many to break the commandments of God.

It is JESUS that says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Now brother where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

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Time to unlearn the lies we have inherited

Once again brother, where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

You have none do you.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Some where on page 1 doesn't answer my question.I need you to quote anyone besides people who push the law saying anything close to - "many actually try to do just this by trying to claim that JESUS fullfilled God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) so that we do not have to."I need you to quote anyone except people who push the law remotely saying - "God's WORD does not say JESUS fulfilled God's LAW so that we are now free to break it."

The whole post was provided earlier that was posted on page 1. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. Your question was already answered with God's WORD.

ace of hearts said: ↑ How would your request relate to Mat 5:17-18?

MATTHEW 5:17 is in reference to both the MOSIAC BOOK of the shadow laws, the prophets and the psalms as well as God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

So when it says JESUS did not come to destroy the LAW and the prophets many actually try to do just this by trying to claim that JESUS fullfilled God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) so that we do not have to. We know this is NOT true because JESUS goes on to MAGNIFY God's LAW (10 Commandments) applying the 10 commandments to our very thoughts and feelings from the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour.

MATTHEW 5:17 is stating JESUS did not come to destroy the law and the prophets. All the SHADOW laws that pointed to JESUS as the MESSIAH are fulfilled in JESUS just as he perfectly fulfilled God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in order to be our perfect sacrifice for sin to show us God's LOVE and to bring us back to God.

God's WORD does not say JESUS fulfilled God's LAW so that we are now free to break it. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. JESUS saves us from SIN not to to continue in sin *JOHN 8:31-36.

God bless.

 

[ace of hearts]

Rubbish. As already shown through the scriptures already your interpretation to everything you have posted so far has no truth in it. You have posted a bunch of scriptures out of CONTEXT. Not one of the scriptures you have provided say that God's 4th commandments is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of men handed down to protestantism that has lead many to break the commandments of God.

It is JESUS that says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Now brother where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

............

Time to unlearn the lies we have inherited

Once again brother, where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

You have none do you.

Hope this helps

You've got none for yours either from the NT by which Christians are governed.

 

[ace of hearts]

The whole post was provided earlier that was posted on page 1. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. Your question was already answered with God's WORD.

You know you're right. So explain why you dismiss and ignore quite a bit of the NT. What you don't ignore you attempt to explain away as a lie.

 

[BobRyan]

You know you're right. So explain why you dismiss and ignore quite a bit of the NT. What you don't ignore you attempt to explain away as a lie.

Ad hominem much?

 

[BobRyan]

Hi rob,
Thanks for your reply. You wrote:
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There seems to be a misunderstanding of what the 'new covenant' is. Jeremiah didn't write any of the new covenant. He did, however, write about the new covenant.

"THIS IS the New Covenant..." makes it clear in his own words what he was writing.

Very different from "there are a few things you should know about the New Covenant"

That New Covenant -- with the law written on the heart precedes Jeremiah - it is the "one Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 that was "preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

Law written on the heart

Deut 6:6 “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart

Jer 31:
31 "behold, the days are coming, says the lord, when ]I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
33 "but this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ps 119:11
11 Your word I have hidden in my heart,
That I might not sin against You.

Ps 40:8
I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”

Ps 37
30 The mouth of the righteous speaks wisdom,
And his tongue talks of justice.
31 The law of his God is in his heart;
None of his steps shall slide.

Rom 2
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

 

[BobRyan]

You've got none for yours either from the NT by which Christians are governed.

2 Tim 3:16 - Christians are governed by scripture.

Less creative writing - more scripture please.

 

[BobRyan]

The New Covenant wasn't preached to Abraham.

Less creative writing please.

Gal 1:6-9 -- there is only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:8 -- that Gospel was preached to Abraham
Jer 31:31-33 has the Gospel promises. We call it the New Covenant.

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See post #52

 

[ace of hearts]

Less creative writing please.

Gal 1:6-9 -- there is only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:8 -- that Gospel was preached to Abraham
Jer 31:31-33 has the Gospel promises. We call it the New Covenant.

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See post #52

That's correct. and it isn't the law (famous 10).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That's correct. and it isn't the law (famous 10).

Well that is not true. How can you have a gospel if you do not know that your a sinner?

 

[ace of hearts]

Well that is not true. How can you have a gospel if you do not know that your a sinner?

Easy, accept Jesus as your Savior.

 

[BABerean2]

Jer 31:31-33 has the Gospel promises. We call it the New Covenant.

Did Paul compare the Sinai Covenant to "bondage" in the passage below, and compel the Galatians to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant?

Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(See the heavenly New Jerusalem of the New Covenant in Hebrews 12:22.)
Gal 4:27 For it is written: "REJOICE, O BARREN, YOU WHO DO NOT BEAR! BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR! FOR THE DESOLATE HAS MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.


Has there been a change in the law?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Has the Old Covenant become "obsolete".

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Are we come to the mountain that burns with fire (Sinai), or to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in the passage below?

Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, (Mount Sinai)

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


Some of us cannot let go of the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".

They have embraced the doctrine of the "bondwoman", after the "Great Disappointment" of October 22, 1844.

See the papers below from the estate of Ellen G. White.

Ellen G. White® Estate: The "Shut Door" Documents

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[LoveGodsWord]

Easy, accept Jesus as your Savior.

Saviour from what?

 

[ace of hearts]

Saviour from what?

From sin and because of that also from the law. Gen 3:15, Rom 7:6