Jussie Smollett Attack is a Hoax

[Kaon]

Or as they used to say in the old days, the slight of the hand. Whenever the media is pointing to a leading story I always wonder what they're diverting our attention from. It's an old magician's trick that's still effective. Few question it.

Ah, yes.

Also, a Kansas City Shuffle.

 

[rambot]

So I understand, right now the evidence for this is from the attackers. Is there any other evidence to support their claims?

It certainly doesn't look good, but I'm not counting any chickens.

It would be unbelievably irresponsible of someone in his position to do something like this though; Considering the impact it would have society wide, it would just be unbelievably stupid.

I mean, CLEAR racist attacks are given a backhanded condemnation; attacks likely but perhaps not directly tied to racism are IMMEDIATELY dismissed as non hate crimes. And think about the ammunition, and confidence it gives to people holding the attitude in the OP; one who already harbours skepticism.

With that said, in my time working at a youth treatment centre, I came across kids who would fake things like this to get attention. It makes me sad when a 14 year old runaway does it but at LEAST the sphere of affect is small. This kinda thing is HUGE.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So I understand, right now the evidence for this is from the attackers. Is there any other evidence to support their claims?

It certainly doesn't look good, but I'm not counting any chickens.

I too am waiting for something more definitive from Chicago PD, but...

If we're going to grant that these are the attackers, they are not white (as described by Smollett) and as Nigerian immigrants, they would seem unlikely to be shouting MAGA.

 

[bèlla]

So I understand, right now the evidence for this is from the attackers. Is there any other evidence to support their claims?

This is from the local news...

Chicago police tweeted that reports about the "incident being a hoax are unconfirmed by case detectives." They released a statement Friday, saying, "Interviews will resume today with the two people of interest and their attorney. While we haven't found any video documenting the alleged attack, there is also no evidence to say that this is a hoax. The alleged victim is being cooperative at this time and continues to be treated as the victim, not a suspect. The investigation continues."

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

If the allegations are true, and it looks like they are, this itself is a hate crime, against our society. It bred more racial animosity and distrust into a society that cannot afford it. And it is not victimless. The bitterness will come out one way and/or the other.

This Smollett guy is a friend of Kamala Harris. She is running for president. She also has introduced "anti-lynching" legislation in the Senate. As soon as the alleged attack broke news, Harris put out a statement about it being a "modern-day lynching". Was this a coordinated effort by them to get the legislation passed on sheer momentum and to advance the perception of Harris' leadership? Why did Smollett resist giving his phone to the authorities?

Conjecture at this point, but the number of false hate crimes against minorities in recent years is very large indeed, and each time a complicit Big Media runs with the ball for maximum yardage, and it seems they increasingly care less about facts. I'm glad that in the case of the Catholic pro-life kids, they have a lawyer that is attempting to sue the pants off those who liabled the kids and refused to timely recant. Maybe hitting pocketbooks is the only way we have of fighting back against what ironically are hate crimes against the nation itself.

You made an excellent point. That politicians are actually running on platforms based off of these lies.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I added a video to the OP.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You're the one making the claim that number of false hate crimes is very large, how do you quantify that? If you're saying it's large, relative to what? You are making a statement about the quantity with no evidence. It is up to you to prove your claim.

How do you quantify that there are a large number of valid "hate crimes"?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You still have failed to provide evidence for your claim. You can try to play word games here, and attempt to change the subject, but it is quite evident you have no evidence to your false claim that a large number of hate crimes are false. Can you provide evidence that would demonstrate your argument is true or do you wish to run away from that statement?

The thing about this false argument is many posters like you make the claim, then refuse to back it up, it's a perennial argument in threads about hate crimes, but there is never any evidence provided to demonstrate the argument. It's not surprising, it's a baseless, false argument.

fakehatecrimes.org

Thank you Google. Apparently the average number of fake hate crimes nearly tripled since Trump was elected.

 

[SummerMadness]

fakehatecrimes.org

Thank you Google. Apparently the average number of fake hate crimes nearly tripled since Trump was elected.

Hate crimes have been increasing yearly, so what's the rate? You claim they tripled, how many hate crimes are reported each year? As I said, a list of incidents does not tell you much. You're arguing there are more false reports, but there are also more hate crimes occurring, so that logically means more false reports.

EDIT: Did you even look at the data on the website you posted? There is a spike in 2016, but subsequent years decreased. Meanwhile, the number of hate crimes spiked in 2016 and have been increasing every year, meaning the rate of hoaxes is lower with each year.

 

[Aldebaran]

fakehatecrimes.org

Thank you Google. Apparently the average number of fake hate crimes nearly tripled since Trump was elected.

This fakery just underscores why we should not just "believe the victims" just because they claim to be victims. It seems that people who are looking for attention are ready to jump on the victim bandwagon in order to get that free ride.

 

[eleos1954]

'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett paid 2 men to orchestrate assault, reports say
Police say 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett staged attack - St. Lucia News Online
Brothers say Jussie Smollett paid them to participate in alleged attack, source says

Okay, I am actually getting upset. I really wanted to believe this Jussie Smollett and I have posts on this forum condemning the "attackers". I understand that people may not agree with Donald Trump....but really? I really don't know what to think at this point. I am really curious as to how liberals are going to spin this into another excuse to hate Trump and his supporters.

Just like most "news" ... need to wait for compelling evidence ... give time to try and figure things out before jumping on any band wagon. We are often reacting way to quick to "reports" on various things .... us .... and the media.

 

[Hank77]

This Smollett guy is a friend of Kamala Harris

Source please. I googled it but couldn't find anything like this.

 

[Hank77]

fakehatecrimes.org

Thank you Google. Apparently the average number of fake hate crimes nearly tripled since Trump was elected.

The graph shows that there were 54 fakes in 2016 and 12 in 2018.
fakehatecrimes.org

 

[paul1149]

Source please. I googled it but couldn't find anything like this.

Not just friends, but evidently campaigned with her:

 

[essentialsaltes]

The graph shows that there were 54 fakes in 2016 and 12 in 2018.
fakehatecrimes.org

FBI tallied 6,121 hate crimes in 2016, so 54 is <1%.

 

[Sketcher]

I'm not making a decision on this yet. I'll let the investigation bear out what really happened.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett paid 2 men to orchestrate assault, reports say
Police say 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett staged attack - St. Lucia News Online
Brothers say Jussie Smollett paid them to participate in alleged attack, source says

Okay, I am actually getting upset. I really wanted to believe this Jussie Smollett and I have posts on this forum condemning the "attackers". I understand that people may not agree with Donald Trump....but really? I really don't know what to think at this point. I am really curious as to how liberals are going to spin this into another excuse to hate Trump and his supporters.

Jussie Smollett made false statements. As someone that doesn't care about Trump or his supporters. Or probably most people. I'm left leaning and I glad this hate crime didn't happen. Or I hope it didn't. Famous people usually have body guards. I'm assuming this guy was famous. But his credibility is shot and probably his career too. But Trump has encouraged hate and violence . So I'm not getting how Trump has any Christians supporters at all. I really don't even get your Trump hate comment. What I think is most liberals are confused , that Conservatives can bash Obama, wife and children over and over. And vote for Trump, Who's 100 percent plus more slimy and hateful than Obama.

 

[USincognito]

If the allegations are true, and it looks like they are, this itself is a hate crime, against our society.

No, it isn't. And that sort of hyperbolic nonsense isn't helping.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Most attacks are not fake, do you have any evidence that most hate crimes are hoaxes? Yet again people make hyperbolic statements without any evidence. Please provide the data that shows the "large" number of false hate crimes. A website with a list of hoaxes does not quantify anything, you need to provide the relative number of hoaxes to real crimes, then compare that to false reports for other crimes to make any of the argument valid.

And that goes both ways. What are the relative numbers of real Hate crimes?

I heard one of the anchor people in the video comment with a "what a shame" tone to her voice, something to the affect of, This is the USA in 2019. But no, it's not.
How often does something like this actually happen with this degree of violence?

I'm against any degree of racism, and agree it is still with us, but this is not the USA of yesterday when it comes to racism, far from it, and hopefully we'll get further from it as time goes by.

 

[essentialsaltes]

And that goes both ways. What are the relative numbers of real Hate crimes?

FBI tallied 6,121 hate crimes in 2016, so 54 is <1%.