WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

You are deeply mistaken LGW.

There were Gentile churches and there were Jewish churches in Israel. Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles, Peter was an apostle to the Jews.

We Gentiles are mentioned all through the scripture and we Gentiles are not under the law. Your flawed method of interpretation is ignoring the context that the New Testament contains.

When Jesus was talking to the Jews about their law, Jesus was not talking to the Gentiles. You fail to understand this and your interpretation is therefore void.

Not at all. I have provided God's WORD. You have provided none.

There are now no gentile believers only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and those who do not. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandments is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Wait there is none. Then who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or man *ROMANS 3:4.?

 

[klutedavid]

Not at all I have God's WORD and biblical history alone that supports everything I have posted.

Christian history occurred after the era of the apostles, so scripture cannot be used to evaluate Christian history.

You must start at square one, if Christian history is fiction then support that claim with historical evidence.

If Jewish history is flawed then furnish the historical evidence to refute Jewish history.

 

[klutedavid]

Not at all. I have provided God's WORD. You have provided none. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandments is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Wait there is none. Then who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or man *ROMANS 3:4.?

You need the evidence, a faulty interpretation of Leviticus 23 is not evidence.

You made the claims now backup your claims!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There were Gentile churches and there were Jewish churches in Israel. Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles, Peter was an apostle to the Jews.

Indeed and PAUL kept the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILES.

Acts 13
14, And when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
15, And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, You men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

42, And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. <Why wait till the next Sabbath?>
43, Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44, And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16
13, And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a riverside, where prayer was accustomed to be made; and we sat down, and spoke unto the women who met there.

Acts 17
1, Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews:
2, And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18
4, And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
5, And when Silas and Timothy were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the word, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was the Christ.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You need the evidence, a faulty interpretation of Leviticus 23 is not evidence. You made the claims now backup your claims!

You have been provided God's WORD as evidence while you have provided none and do not respond to the scriptures in the posts provided as evidence. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

You are free to believe of not believe God's WORD. They are God's WORD'S not my words. We all answer only to God come judgment day for the WORD of GOD we follow or reject. I do not judge you *JOHN 12:47-48.

 

[klutedavid]

Why would you not believe God's WORD. How many commandments are in God's 10 commandments, 9, 10 or 613? *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4. All scripture is given by inspiration of God and we are to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God from his two witnesses *2 TIMOTHY 3:16; MATTHEW 4:4

You have no scripture do you David that says God's 4th commandment or God's 10 commandments are abolished do you David and so you seek to find a way outside of God's WORD to justify your tradition.

Not at all LGW, I was never under the law. I was never in willing agreement to the covenant of Mt Sinai.

I am a Gentile and Jesus was sent only to the Jews. Jesus came to redeem His people the Jews, we Gentiles are merely grafted in at a later stage.

The law demonstrates what sin is all about, yet at the same time law amplifies sin itself. When the law came sin flourished, when you tell child not to do something. You know the child will have a greater desire to commit that offense.

The law generates even more transgression.

 

[klutedavid]

You have been provided God's WORD as evidence while you have provided none and do not respond to the scriptures in the posts provided as evidence. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

You still do not understand do you.

If Christian history is fiction then I want to see your evidence. Don't make claims that you cannot support.

As I said before LGW, the scripture has nothing to do with the authenticity of later Christian history.

Jewish historical observances are written in black and white, if this is fiction LGW, then by all means demonstrate using the evidence.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not at all LGW, I was never under the law. I was never in willing agreement to the covenant of Mt Sinai.

I am a Gentile and Jesus was sent only to the Jews. Jesus came to redeem His people the Jews, we Gentiles are merely grafted in at a later stage.

The law demonstrates what sin is all about, yet at the same time law amplifies sin itself. When the law came sin flourished, when you tell child not to do something. You know the child will have a greater desire to commit that offense.

The law generates even more transgression.

To be UNDER THE LAW according to God's WORD means to be guilty before God of breaking it *ROMANS 3:19. If we have been FORGIVEN for our sins we are no longer under the law standing guilty before God of breaking it *ROMANS 8:1-4. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN however are still UNDER THE LAW because you are still in your SINS.
All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the WORD)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You still do not understand do you.

If Christian history is fiction then I want to see your evidence. Don't make claims that you cannot support.

As I said before LGW, the scripture has nothing to do with the authenticity of later Christian history.

Jewish historical observances are written in black and white, if this is fiction LGW, then by all means demonstrate using the evidence.

Man made History can be biased depending on who is writing it. Biblical History is true and is God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions fo men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4

 

[klutedavid]

Indeed and PAUL kept the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILES.

Acts 13
14, And when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
15, And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, You men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

42, And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. <Why wait till the next Sabbath?>
43, Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44, And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16
13, And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a riverside, where prayer was accustomed to be made; and we sat down, and spoke unto the women who met there.

Acts 17
1, Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews:
2, And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18
4, And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
5, And when Silas and Timothy were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the word, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was the Christ.

Hope this helps.

This is not evidence that supports your wild claims regarding both Jewish and Christian history.

Your scripture only shows that Paul attended synagogues in the early years of Christianity, to preach the Christ. This does not mean that Paul promoted Sabbath observance, that is merely your inference.

You need hard evidence to support your claims, not inference.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is not evidence that supports your wild claims regarding both Jewish and Christian history.

Your scripture only shows that Paul attended synagogues in the early years of Christianity, to preach the Christ. This does not mean that Paul promoted Sabbath observance, that is merely your inference.

You need hard evidence to support your claims, not inference.

There is no wild claims brother and your statement is not true. Scripture was also provided showing PAUL keeping the Sabbath outside of the temple. Also, in these times Gentile believers were allowed in the Temple courts to hear the Word of God (not inside unless they were proselytes)

It is God's WORD that is supplied as evidence, These are God's WORD'S not mine showing that PAUL kept God's 4th Commandment Sabbath with both JEWS and GENTILES.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and tradions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

 

[klutedavid]

Man made History can be biased depending on who is writing it. Biblical History is true and is God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions fo men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4

You are clearly wrong and I think you know it.

History can at times show a bias but the historical facts are beyond question. There is a distinct difference between an historical bias and the historical event.

For example LGW, the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70 is not in dispute. The impact on the Jews was profound and their would be some bias in their history, but the event itself occurred.

Their are historical facts all through history and their are different interpretations of those historical facts. But the historical events took place and are not questioned.

Jews have their history and their traditions, these are non-negotiable. Jews also have extremely zealous and conservative folk who follow the law come hell or high water.

If these conservative Jews number their days from the new moon, then they have been doing this for thousands of years.

You need to show everyone how you can support the idea that Christian and Jewish history is fictional.

 

[safswan]

You want scripture to prove they went by a lunar calendar, or what exactly...?

Let me repeat what I said. klutedavid made the claim that:

"The Sabbath day according to the law is calculated from the occurrence of the new moon, which is a lunar calendar."

According to the law means there should be scriptures to support this statement.Do you know which scriptures say/show the above?

 

[klutedavid]

There is no wild claims brother and your statement is not true. Scripture was also provided showing PAUL keeping the Sabbath outside of the temple. Also, in these times Gentile believers were allowed in the Temple courts to hear the Word of God (not inside unless they were proselytes)

It is God's WORD that is supplied as evidence, These are God's WORD'S not mine showing that PAUL kept God's 4th Commandment Sabbath with both JEWS and GENTILES.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and tradions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Evidence is required to support your claims.

If you have no evidence then you are not permitted to make claims, that cannot be justified by supporting evidence.

As I said previously LGW, the scripture was written before Christian history was written. If you do not accept Christian authors in the first four centuries, then I need to see the evidence.
I'm not interested in someone's opinion.

Jewish history has been running for thousands of years, way before the New Testament was even written. You need to show why Jewish history is not true.

 

[klutedavid]

Let me repeat what I said. klutedavid made the claim that:

"The Sabbath day according to the law is calculated from the occurrence of the new moon, which is a lunar calendar."

According to the law means there should be scriptures to support this statement.Do you know which scriptures say/show the above?

The mere fact that the new moon is celebrated in the Old Testament is all the evidence I need.

May I ask you why the start of the month was a celebration?

 

[safswan]

You can use either English word, 'month' or 'new moon', when translating the Hebrew 2320 in the Old Testament. That is because the Hebrew month began after the sighting of the new moon.
Logically when the new moon appeared the daily cycle began, so the seventh day is counted from when the new moon is visible.

This is your assumption.You have not shown the scripture which supports this.The logic says when the new moon appears then the monthly cycle would have begun not the daily/weekly cycle.

 

[klutedavid]

This is your assumption.You have not shown the scripture which supports this.The logic says when the new moon appears then the monthly cycle would have begun not the daily/weekly cycle.

The monthly cycle has begun and what do you think that means?

Does the start of the month have any significance to you?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Evidence is required to support your claims.

If you have no evidence then you are not permitted to make claims, that cannot be justified by supporting evidence.

As I said previously LGW, the scripture was written before Christian history was written. If you do not accept Christian authors in the first four centuries, then I need to see the evidence.
I'm not interested in someone's opinion.

Jewish history has been running for thousands of years, way before the New Testament was even written. You need to show why Jewish history is not true.

I have provided God's WORD you have provided none. What more evidence do you need? We should believe and follow the WORD of God over the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God * MATTHEW 15:3-9. Only God's WORD is true brother our opinions matter little. ROMANS 3:4. Why would you think I need to show JEWISH history is not true? You have been shown from God's WORD alone that what your claiming has no truth in it.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are clearly wrong and I think you know it.

Not at all brother. You have been provided with God's WORD. You provide your own words. Your words are not God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATHEW 15:3-9. It is God's WORD that shows you are in error brother as you have no scripture to support your tradition.

History can at times show a bias but the historical facts are beyond question. There is a distinct difference between an historical bias and the historical event. For example LGW, the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70 is not in dispute. The impact on the Jews was profound and their would be some bias in their history, but the event itself occurred. Their are historical facts all through history and their are different interpretations of those historical facts. But the historical events took place and are not questioned.

I have never posted that HISTORY outside of God's WORD cannot be true. I have only posted that HISTORY outside of God's WORD can be biased depending on who is writing it. Only BIBLICAL history is true and without doubt being the Word of God. It is BIBLICAL history alone that supports God's WORD and this is what has been provided.

Jews have their history and their traditions, these are non-negotiable. Jews also have extremely zealous and conservative folk who follow the law come hell or high water. If these conservative Jews number their days from the new moon, then they have been doing this for thousands of years. You need to show everyone how you can support the idea that Christian and Jewish history is fictional.

Your post here is fictional brother. As shown through the scriptures and outside sources (wiki). The NEW MOON has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment and the weekly seventh day Sabbath which has nothing to do with a Luna cycle. The luna calander (NEW MOONS etc) according to God's WORD was for signs and seasons *GENESIS 1:14-19. This was important under the OLD COVENANT as the NEW MOONS timed the ANNUAL FEASTS of LEVITICUS 23. This does not effect God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th commandment which is simply once a week, every SEVENTH DAY. Your getting the sabbaths in the ANNUAL FEAST days and NEW MOONS mixed up with God's WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of Gods 4th Commandment which is every SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK. You do not need a luna calander to determine this as it is every SEVENTH DAY of the week. If you know Sunday is the first day of the week and you can count to seven you will be fine. Even if you are not sure check what day the weekly Sabbath is in ISRAEL or look on wiki. It is not hard.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

 

[klutedavid]

This is your assumption.You have not shown the scripture which supports this.The logic says when the new moon appears then the monthly cycle would have begun not the daily/weekly cycle.

Hold on, that is not my assumption.

Jewish history reflects the Old Testament, the lunar cycle of month and then the associated weeks within each month are observed. That is how the Jews knew what day it was, what week it was.

Even secular Jewish history recognizes the lunar calendar.