Nancy Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency

[tulc]

@tulc if you really believed what you just posted nobody would ever hear from you again on this site.....

Gosh, does this mean you also don't believe those Scriptures that miraculously reappeared in some peoples Bibles in Jan of 2016 don't apply to us today?
tulc(is surprised that miracle doesn't get mentioned very often by President Trump supporters, although they do seem to quote those Scriptures now a days. A lot.)

 

[tulc]

He gave the dems 2 years to grasp the situation but they just don't seem to have the interest in learning.....

...or they understood what the actual situation was long before he got elected.
tulc(was under the impression that Mexico was supposed to be paying for this whole "wall" fiasco?)

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

What would declaring a national emergency against Gun violence entail? Confiscation of guns and turn back of the second amendment? At least Trump's solution to his idea of a national emergency is solved by building a wall and not revoking constitutional rights.

 

[tulc]

(snip)At least Trump's solution to his idea of a national emergency is solved by building a wall and not revoking constitutional rights.

uhmmm that's not actually true...

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7. No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

tulc(Constitutions are funny things)

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned Republicans on Thursday that a future Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency.

"You want to talk about a national emergency? Let's talk about today," Pelosi said, referring to the first anniversary of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead on Feb. 14, 2018.

She said the shooting was "another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America."

"That's a national emergency. Why don't you declare that an emergency, Mr. President? I wish you would," she said. "But a Democratic president can do that. A Democratic president can declare emergencies as well."

Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency

He should. Gun violence in cities that have been run by Democrats for a half century is a national emergency. They don’t really care about that though. They care that you and I have firearms that they wish we didn’t have because it interferes with their hopes and dreams of ruling over us.

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

But it does not protect an individual right to possess any type of a firearm. In 1986 a guy named Ronald Reagan signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act which, among other things, made the sale of fully-automatic firearms manufactured before that year illegal. There is no reason why that ban couldn't be extended to other types of guns.

The Democrats want to ban the scary assault looking rifles, yet Handguns were used in more than 80 percent of gun murders each year. So the scary semiautomatic guns are not to blame for most shootings that happen in our country but the Democrats overlook this or will want to go after handguns too. In any case if anyone goes house to house to enforce this they will come face to face with armed citizens fighting for their rights.

Fact Check: Are Most Gun Crimes Committed With Handguns?

The Assault Weapon Myth

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

Thomas Jefferson's comment is bad advice for any democracy. The last time some of the people in the USA took up arms against an elected government was during the civil war. That was a very terrible time for Americans.

Thomas Jefferson was not alone as you can see below. Our country was built on that we the people would have the power to resist our government if it trampled over our rights as Americans. As Jefferson once said "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants". So it's in our rights as Americans to fight for our rights as a free people to remain free.

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."- Joseph Story

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair." - Alexander Hamilton

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." - Tench Coxe

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin,

 

[FireDragon76]

The point is that using an emergency to bypass Congress is a really bad precedent.

Indeed... especially when there actually is no emergency, like a war or natural disaster.

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

Pelosi is morally & legally correct about this.

Few facts:

1. In America eleven teenagers will die from texting and driving everyday which is more then guns.

Drivers are killing more people than guns and it’s getting worse - New Bedford Guide

Texting and Driving Accident Statistics - Distracted Driving

2. More people are stabbed to death four times of any rifle according to the FBI.

FBI: Over Four Times More People Stabbed to Death Than Killed with Rifles of Any Kind | Breitbart

3. Hammers and other blunt objects were used in more murders then rifles according to the FBI.

FBI: Hammers, Clubs Kill More People Than Rifles, Shotguns

Should we ban cars, phones, knives, hammers and everything else that's dangerous? Of course not, It's not logical to place blame on a mere object like a gun instead of the person using it. We have become a society that cast blame on everything except the one who is actually to blame.

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[Sparagmos]

Do you really think they would nuke their own families. I have a brother who works with the Nukes on a base. You can bet if fighting happened he would disarm them rather then it being used against his own family. Tanks the same thing. Plus some of our military personnel are 1% bikers and similar groups that will fight for this right. So with a warfare on American land they would have to destroy the whole country to win.

Which is why we don’t need to be overly paranoid about protecting ourselves against our own military.

 

[tulc]

(snip)
3. Hammers and other blunt objects were used in more murders then rifles according to the FBI. (snip)

...how about if we get some laws to regulate any hammer that can kill 59 people and cause injuries to another 500 from the 32 floor away?
tulc(wonders if that would be okay?)

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

...how about if we get some laws to regulate any hammer that can kill 59 people and cause injuries to another 500 from the 32 floor away?
tulc(wonders if that would be okay?)

So the fact that hammer and knives both kill more people then guns is not the real problem but distance is the real problem? I would think that lives are more important then the distance they died from. But for sake of argument most mass shootings especially in schools were done at short range as the shooters were inexperienced in most cases. Also mass shootings are very rare and accounting for only 0.2 percent of homicides every year. So hardly a epidemic that many make it out to be.

There are also mass stabbings that also bring a high body count as we have seen in China which has a strict gun control policy. Both the mass stabbings in China and the one in Japan both had a higher body count and injuries then the infamous Columbine High School Shooting.

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29 at China train station - CNN

Japan knife attack: At least 19 dead - CNN

6 Reasons Gun Control Will Not Solve Mass Killings

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

Which is why we don’t need to be overly paranoid about protecting ourselves against our own military.

In most cases it's the leaders that are running the country that you have to look out for. I agree that people should not be paranoid about military action from our own government. But the Second Amendment was written to keep our country in check and free.

 

[civilwarbuff]

He should. Gun violence in cities that have been run by Democrats for a half century is a national emergency. They don’t really care about that though. They care that you and I have firearms that they wish we didn’t have because it interferes with their hopes and dreams of ruling over us.

Yeah, it would not be a bad idea to declare a national emergency in Chicago, send in the federal marshalls & FBI and clean out the gangs.....but something tells me that the dems wouldn't go for that kind of national emergency.

 

[tulc]

Yeah, it would not be a bad idea to declare a national emergency in Chicago, send in the federal marshalls & FBI and clean out the gangs.....but something tells me that the dems wouldn't go for that kind of national emergency.

...and we're back to Chicago. Man, people really have a thing about Illinois places/people don't they?
tulc(has lived in Chicago since 1978 and wouldn't want to live anywhere else)

 

[Sparagmos]

In most cases it's the leaders that are running the country that you have to look out for. I agree that people should not be paranoid about military action from our own government. But the Second Amendment was written to keep our country in check and free.

We don’t allow private citizens to own any kind of weapon. There is plenty of legal precedent for limiting 2nd ammendment rights. I’m not sure what you mean by looking out for the leaders. Without the military they can’t really hurt us.

 

[Hank77]

What would declaring a national emergency against Gun violence entail? Confiscation of guns and turn back of the second amendment?

No, it could entail much stiffer gun laws at the federal level, laws that already exist in some states.

 

[Hank77]

He should. Gun violence in cities that have been run by Democrats for a half century is a national emergency. They don’t really care about that though. They care that you and I have firearms that they wish we didn’t have because it interferes with their hopes and dreams of ruling over us.

Cities With the Most Gun Violence

Here's a list of the cities with the most gun violence per capita, you might want to look up the gun laws in those cities.
For example Memphis, TN is the second on the list and they gun laws aren't very restrictive.
Tennessee Gun Control Laws - FindLaw

 

[SolomonVII]

Pretty well all of the mass shootings are committed by men and boys that grew up without their fathers present in the home. There is your national emergency.

 

[Archivist]

But gun grabbing politicians do want to.

And as I said, they can ban certain types of guns.