Nancy Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned Republicans on Thursday that a future Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency.

"You want to talk about a national emergency? Let's talk about today," Pelosi said, referring to the first anniversary of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead on Feb. 14, 2018.

She said the shooting was "another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America."

"That's a national emergency. Why don't you declare that an emergency, Mr. President? I wish you would," she said. "But a Democratic president can do that. A Democratic president can declare emergencies as well."

Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

If this ever did happen I think the Democrats would have a serious wake up call.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

 

[Dave-W]

Interesting.

But any solution to that future democratic "emergency" would have to be very careful to avoid violating the 2nd amendment.

 

[Dave-W]

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

True. But what can pop guns do against nukes? Cruise missiles? tanks?

 

[civilwarbuff]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned Republicans on Thursday that a future Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency.

"You want to talk about a national emergency? Let's talk about today," Pelosi said, referring to the first anniversary of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead on Feb. 14, 2018.

She said the shooting was "another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America."

"That's a national emergency. Why don't you declare that an emergency, Mr. President? I wish you would," she said. "But a Democratic president can do that. A Democratic president can declare emergencies as well."

Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency

I wonder if she thought about the fact there is this little thing called the 2nd Amendment that a president would have to deal with....Pelosi simply likes to pander to emotionalism instead of working through issues in an intellectual process.

 

[hedrick]

The point is that using an emergency to bypass Congress is a really bad precedent.

 

[civilwarbuff]

True. But what can pop guns do against nukes? Cruise missiles? tanks?

The Taliban have done alright....

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

True. But what can pop guns do against nukes? Cruise missiles? tanks?

Do you really think they would nuke their own families. I have a brother who works with the Nukes on a base. You can bet if fighting happened he would disarm them rather then it being used against his own family. Tanks the same thing. Plus some of our military personnel are 1% bikers and similar groups that will fight for this right. So with a warfare on American land they would have to destroy the whole country to win.

 

[civilwarbuff]

The point is that using an emergency to bypass Congress is a really bad precedent.

And that could be...when the Senate dems bypassed the Senate 60% rule for approving judges to jam Obama nominations through it has come back to bite them big time and Mitch McConnell warned them at the time that it would. No one party is in power forever. Trump needs (and has needed) to take his position to the people and have them pressure their congress critters. Unfortunately, and to his fault, he failed to do so in the last election and we end up with a divided legislature....that one is on him. He needs to take the TR action of using the presidency as a 'bully pulpit'. People don't really listen when a congress critter speaks but they do when the president speaks.

 

[Dave-W]

Do you really think they would nuke their own families. I have a brother who works with the Nukes on a base. You can bet if fighting happened he would disarm them rather then it being used against his own family. Tanks the same thing. Plus some of our military personnel are 1% bikers and similar groups that will fight for this right. So with a warfare on American land they would have to destroy the whole country to win.

I think it is a possibility. And the mere threat of it may be enough to deter such an insurrection.

Yes it would destroy the country. We destroyed Afghanistan looking for the taliban, and we did not even use nukes.

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

The point is that using an emergency to bypass Congress is a really bad precedent.

Big difference in protecting our country from people coming in illegally and that of disarming citizens. Plus with the Insurrection Act with the National Emergency Trump can get this done. But on disarming citizens it goes against our protected rights.

 

[hedrick]

Big difference in protecting our country from people coming in illegally and that of disarming citizens. Plus with the Insurrection Act with the National Emergency Trump can get this done. But on disarming citizens it goes against our protected rights.

Pelosi gave just one example, and possibly not the best.

I agree that changing confirmation of judges was a similar mistake. But let’s not make another one.

 

[Yekcidmij]

The point is that using an emergency to bypass Congress is a really bad precedent.

Exactly. What could the Democrats consider to be a "national emergency?" Climate Change? The Green New Deal? Racism? Health care? Student loans?

The purpose of a national emergency isn't so that the executive can bypass congress and appropriate funds that they outright refused to appropriate.

"Emergencies have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded" - Hayek


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[EpiscipalMe]

Maybe a Democratic President should declare a national emergency and require everyone with a gun to join a well regulated militia.

I kid. Seriously, though, a Democratic President could institute plenty of gun control without running too far afoul of 2A.

There are also plenty of other “emergencies” to consider like health care and climate change.

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

I think it is a possibility. And the mere threat of it may be enough to deter such an insurrection.

Yes it would destroy the country. We destroyed Afghanistan looking for the taliban, and we did not even use nukes.

I think thats doubtful. As many like me would rather see the country burn then see our freedom that so many died for get taken away. Plus many groups have been waiting for this to happen. Also bikers that I hang out with wouldn't tolerate it either. The taliban is still alive and kicking showing that a war with conventional weapons can be just as effective as the tanks and missiles of our military.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

The point is that using an emergency to bypass Congress is a really bad precedent.

And it also makes one very hypocritical President too.

Twitter users react to national emergency plan, point to 2014 Trump tweet

 

[civilwarbuff]

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[civilwarbuff]

Trump's wall would be the 32nd active national emergency
Trump's wall would be the 32nd active national emergency - CNNPolitics

 

[Logic Over Emotionalism]

Maybe a Democratic President should declare a national emergency and require everyone with a gun to join a well regulated militia.

I kid. Seriously, though, a Democratic President could institute plenty of gun control without running too far afoul of 2A.

There are also plenty of other “emergencies” to consider like health care and climate change.

Probably because The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia.... Source below:

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

 

[Yekcidmij]

Trump's wall would be the 32nd active national emergency
Trump's wall would be the 32nd active national emergency - CNNPolitics

Funny how so many "emergencies" never cease to be an emergency.