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Flat Earth - It's NOT Ridiculous

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They don't argue for a flat earth because of some valid reason. They argue against it only because it is a theological requirement for them to do so.

There's no branch of Christian theology that claims the world is flat. Indeed, there never has been.

And most flat-earthers aren't Christian.
 
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You guys need to learn some humility.

Is this before or after flat Earthers tell us how cartographers, astronomers, astronauts, geophysicists, and so on are all a bunch of liars?
 
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Does seem to be a big part of it - but all conspiracy 'theories', not just FE.

Some conspiracy theories seem to be borne out of fear such as those involving tragedies; the 9/11 attack is a prime example. Conspiracy theories are allow people to exert a form of control over things they otherwise don't have control over.

This is why I had trouble with understanding the motivation for flat Earth conspiracies since there's no danger element to it. But insecurity around lack of power derived from knowledge certainly seems like it could be a motivating factor.
 
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Flat Earth
It's NOT Retarded
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Far too many people make assumptions about “Flat Earth”. Everything from the model to assuming the matter is closed for discussion. There was a reason Barack Obama once said, “we don't have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society”. While the obvious is that he was mocking those who deny human-caused climate change, he also highlighted the fact that determining Earth's shape would take more time than he cared to give .

Is the Earth flat? To determine the answer, it's necessary to consider why we believe the world is a sphere. Is it because boats disappear over the horizon? Because of a lunar eclipse? Because an experiment done long ago which few of us have repeated, says so? Perhaps it's because of NASA's Blue Marble or other similar images? Maybe it's because Americans went to the Moon? Perhaps you remember seeing the curve at a beach? On a commercial flight? Maybe you have a friend who's a pilot and he showed you high altitude footage? Because experts told you it was?? What's your reason or reasons for believing the world is a sphere?

If you have only one reason, how many other things are you this certain of, yet only have one reason to believe is true? For example, do you believe in Bigfoot? Space aliens? Psychic powers? Past life experiences? Near death experiences? Heaven? Hell? Angels? Demons? Giants? Ancient technology? Do people get abducted by space aliens? Is the government hiding space aliens? Ancient astronauts? What proof for any of this do you have?

Does Earth orbit the Sun or does the Sun orbit the Earth? Is the Earth solid with a molten core or is it hollow? Is there land on Earth, hidden from modern maps? Does Eden exist? Was Atlantis real? Was Jesus Christ resurrected from death? Is the Holy Grail real? Do Satanists or Luciferians rule the world? Are there world-wide elite pedophilia rings? Are chemtrails real? Is there a depopulation agenda?

I could go on listing things people believe in. However, I think you get the point. So… Why do you believe the world is a globe, orbiting the Sun? Can your reasons have other explanations than what you currently accept?
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I'd like to clarify that this thread isn't intended to make or assert the validity of any claims. Instead, it's here to promote discussion, encourage people to question, and correct the incorrect assumption that "it's retarded to think the world is flat" or even to question if it is.

The fact is, people ARE questioning the shape of the world and they have good reasons to do so. While many will inevitably disagree, claiming this multitude of people are ALL poorly educated, (and maybe some, even many are), the fact remains that not ALL are. So... Let's look at why we believe what we do?

When you departure from Chicago to China at 12 noon, you will arrived to Beijing 12 hours later, but the local time is still 12 noon, instead of being 12 midnight.

Explain that, and you will see.
 
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When you departure from Chicago to China at 12 noon, you will arrived to Beijing 12 hours later, but the local time is still 12 noon, instead of being 12 midnight.

Actually, that's just about the one and only fact that flat-earthers are able to explain.
 
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Okay... Why do YOU believe Earth is a sphere?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I believe the earth is a sphere (well, technically, an oblate spheroid) because, well, it is. I also believe that water is wet and ice is cold.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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If the Bible talks about the earth being flat, that could be because that is how they thought at the time.

Bingo. In all likelihood the ancient Hebrew biblical writers shared a similar view of the earth as other ancient near-eastern bronze age people did. And when they wrote they expressed themselves using the words, ideas, and language of their time and culture.

That's why when Paul writes he writes in common Greek (well, more technically, he used scribes), and speaks as a first century Jew living in the Greco-Roman world; Paul additionally is intimately familiar with Greek and Roman customs, as he had Roman citizenship--something he inherited from his father who had been given citizenship. Paul speaks and writes as himself, from within his own experiences, in the language and culture he belonged to and was part of, the language of the circles in which he inhabited. We wouldn't, therefore, expect Paul to write like, say, a medieval European farmer, or a central Asian nomad, or a 21st century scientist. That isn't who Paul was, that isn't how Paul thought, that isn't how Paul spoke.

All of this is true for every writer from every point of history, including all the various biblical writers. And so the Old Testament if we come across people writing and speaking in ways that are fluent in the language, culture, and ideas of the ancient near east then we are finding exactly what we should expect to find. Biblical inspiration does not mean an abrogation of ordinary human speech and language, it means that through the ordinary human modes of speech, language, communication (etc) we--as a people of faith--believe we are hearing and receiving God's own Word. That Word is, indeed, according to Christian faith and confession, a Person, it's Jesus. Jesus is the Word that we are hearing and receiving in Scripture.

The kind of overly literal and wooden inerrancy presented so often only serves to distract from the whole point of Scripture. It's like focusing on a tiny smudge with a microscope on a massive, large, beautiful painting and acting like the microscopic smudge somehow is the thing we should be focusing on.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The kind of overly literal and wooden inerrancy presented so often only serves to distract from the whole point of Scripture.

You're just using this as an opportunity to bash Evangelicals.

The fact is, the Bible nowhere says that the world is flat, nor does any Christian denomination (Evangelical or otherwise) teach that it is.
 
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You're just using this as an opportunity to bash Evangelicals.

The fact is, the Bible nowhere says that the world is flat, nor does any Christian denomination (Evangelical or otherwise) teach that it is.

I didn't mention Evangelicalism or Evangelicals. Not all Evangelicals subscribe to what I was describing, and what I was describing is not restricted only to Evangelicals.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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