Flat Earth - It's NOT Ridiculous

[Jimmy D]

2500 years, actually.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

True enough. I put 500 years because I was initially just going to mention 16th century Dutch cartographers.

 

[Velaut]

They could be wrong? Just because something is taught in schools, doesn't make it true. Don't you question what you were taught?
(...)
That's relevant? Your husband could be wrong too.
(...)
They could be wrong and they often are. Do you question them?

Yes, they all could be wrong. Thanks for that suggestion.
Then, I could not trust either

(a)

• our teachers
• all scientists
• maps of earth
• common sense
• ...

or

(b)

• you.

What would be the most sensible choice here?
Hint: there is only 1 correct answer.

 

[A_Thinker]

Let's be honest here, conversations with 10-50 FEs isn't going to prove anything in this regard. How about surveying?

Flat Earthers have divided themselves into several, somewhat, competing groups.

There are those that follow Eric Dubay, those that follow Rob Skiba, the members of the Flat Earth Society, etc.

From ... Flat-Earthers are back: 'It’s almost like the beginning of a new religion'

"A more fiery split took place when yoga teacher and conspiracy theorist Eric Dubay launched the International Flat Earth Research Society (IFERS) and claimed that the other flat-Earth groups were “controlled opposition”: a propaganda tool in which the ideological enemy pretends to be a friend to make the movement look stupid.

Dubay has since posted a lengthy Nixon-style enemies list, labeling Sargent and many other flat-Earthers “shills” who deliberately poison the movement with flawed arguments. Sargent says he was once on good terms with Dubay and doesn’t want to speak ill of him. That said, some flat-Earthers are ill at ease with Dubay because of his other work, including a documentary that claims Adolf Hitler was a decent, peace-loving fellow who has been smeared by the Zionist media. Around the turn of the year, Dubay’s discussion board has been shut down by a hosting company claiming a terms-of-service violation. He has since started fresh elsewhere, but yet another group popped up with a new site also claiming the IFERS name."

 

[Strathos]

No, I don't believe in those other things you mention.

You don't believe in ancient technology?

 

[Radagast]

You don't believe in ancient technology?

If by "ancient technology" you mean "slide rules," yeah I believe in that.

 

[tas8831]

Flat Earth
It's NOT Retarded
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Ummm....

The fact is, people ARE questioning the shape of the world and they have good reasons to do so.

Right.

All other known planetary bodies = spheres.

But not the earth.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[Jimmy D]

You don't believe in ancient technology?

In the context of the OP I took that to mean fanciful conspiracy nonsense i.e. "advanced" technologies that are not currently understood to have existed in "ancient times". Obviously I believe that ancient people had rudimentary technologies.

 

[tas8831]

Wish you the best. A lot of responses will just be personal attacks and opinions mistaken as facts.

And this would be totally different from the totally factual claims of flat earthers...

I can guarantee they haven't looked into ant of this, for the most part, and will just search the Internet for reasons why you are wrong, and making assumptions what will and will not work on a flat earth. I've currently run out of patience dealing with people on this topic, so I wish you the patience and perseverance I no longer possess.

So brave a soldier...

As for me, the tipping point was a physical measurement I witnessed well over a year ago that resulted in 28-feet of missing curve. The evidence has just been piling on ever since.

Right. Sounds totally empirical and sufficient to trump centuries of real-life data.

 

[tas8831]

Okay... Why do YOU believe Earth is a sphere?

How the ancient Greeks proved Earth was round over 2,000 years ago



Also:

picture of earth and moon from Voyager 1

Picture of earth from Apollo 8:

If the earth is flat, why can't we see ALL the continents?

International flight times... Circumnavigation... Flights around the earth... physics... etc...

And you have?

"Photoshopped!"
"Used a GoPro!"
"28 feet missing in my personal measurements!"
"GIGANTIC conspiracy for reasons that cannot be articulated!"

 

[tas8831]

They could be wrong? ...Don't you question what you were taught?...Your husband could be wrong too. ...They could be wrong and they often are. ..
Are you certain that's true? If so, why?...

Yes, yes - EVERYONE else is wrong, but not the flat earthers and creationists and anti-vaxxer and pro-trickle-down economics-types.. They are ALWAYS right.
Odd how that works.

Furthermore, why assume there is an "edge" anyone could travel to? Have you done any research on the conditions in Antarctica? The international treaty? The massive barriers of ice?

Tell us about your amazing "research". You know that there are satellite pictures of an intact, ice-wall-free Antarctica, right? You never came across this in your "research"?

A better question to ask is... "Is there an edge?"

A more sane question to ask is - if the earth is flat, who on earth would question whether or not there is an edge?

 

[tas8831]

Why assume gravity exists? That mass attracts mass, purely of itself and not due to any sort of magnetic force?

Great and insightful questions! Clearly, gravity is magnetic. After all, only metal things are affected by it, so...

 

[tas8831]

Terrible assumption. I can assure you, facts matter to nearly ALL FEs.

Now THAT is funny.

Say - do you also think the sun is within our atmosphere?

Because I seen that on the YouTube, too.

 

[tas8831]

Many FEs I've known and know are seeking truth, period. They just want the facts, not theories, assumptions, or space illustrations.

FEs love facts and experiments.

I do have to wonder why no FEs have done the ultimate, and simplest experiment:

1. Get a good quality, powerful telescope.
2. Go as high as they can on a mountain.
3. Look to what we REs call "east" and take some pictures of the Big Ben or the Eiffel Tower.

Easy peasy.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Far too many people make assumptions about “Flat Earth”. Everything from the model to assuming the matter is closed for discussion.

The matter is closed for discussion and has been for centuries - if not millenia.

Is the Earth flat?

No.

To determine the answer, it's necessary to consider why we believe the world is a sphere.

Because demonstrable evidence.
Because if you build models based on spherical planets, they work, while models based on flat planets don't.

Because gravity.

Is it because boats disappear over the horizon? Because of a lunar eclipse? Because an experiment done long ago which few of us have repeated, says so? Perhaps it's because of NASA's Blue Marble or other similar images? Maybe it's because Americans went to the Moon? Perhaps you remember seeing the curve at a beach? On a commercial flight? Maybe you have a friend who's a pilot and he showed you high altitude footage? Because experts told you it was?? What's your reason or reasons for believing the world is a sphere?

All of the above, plus a billion and one other valid reasons.
Like how it's day here and night in China.

how many other things are you this certain of

Plenty. Here's one example:

If I drop my keys, they'll fall to earth and not shoot into space or just hoover mid-air.

For example, do you believe in Bigfoot? Space aliens? Psychic powers? Past life experiences? Near death experiences? Heaven? Hell? Angels? Demons? Giants? Do people get abducted by space aliens? Is the government hiding space aliens? Ancient astronauts? What proof for any of this do you have?

I don't believe things for which there is no rational evidence.

Ancient technology?

Depends what you mean by technology.
Technically, building stone tools is technology as well.
Building huts is too.
Creating a fire is too.

Does Earth orbit the Sun or does the Sun orbit the Earth?

Earth orbits the sun and this has been known for centuries.
Where have you been all this time?

Is the Earth solid with a molten core or is it hollow? Is there land on Earth, hidden from modern maps? Does Eden exist? Was Atlantis real? Was Jesus Christ resurrected from death? Is the Holy Grail real? Do Satanists or Luciferians rule the world? Are there world-wide elite pedophilia rings? Are chemtrails real? Is there a depopulation agenda?

I could go on listing things people believe in. However, I think you get the point.

Actually, I'm not getting the point at all. It's just a stream of random questions so far.

So… Why do you believe the world is a globe, orbiting the Sun?

Rational evidence.

Can your reasons have other explanations than what you currently accept?

Not to my knowledge.
If you have models that explain the state of things better and makes more accurate predictions, you are welcome to share them off course.

I don't think that's very likely because if such models would exist, then those models would be mainstream and common knowledge.

I'd like to clarify that this thread isn't intended to make or assert the validity of any claims. Instead, it's here to promote discussion, encourage people to question, and correct the incorrect assumption that "it's retarded to think the world is flat" or even to question if it is.

No, sorry, it definatly is utterly retarded to think in this day and age that the world is flat. And honestly, merely calling it "utterly retarded" isn't nearly strong enough to illustrate just how crazy it is to believe that.

The fact is, people ARE questioning the shape of the world and they have good reasons to do so.

The ONLY reason people have to question a spherical earth, is because they happen to have a priori dogmatic fundamentalist religious beliefs that instruct them otherwise.

They don't argue for a flat earth because of some valid reason. They argue against it only because it is a theological requirement for them to do so.

The same reason why people argue against evolution.
I've never met an anti-evolutionist that wasn't a pretty fundamentalist christian and who didn't argue from that perspective.

These are the kinds of people that believe that their a priori religious beliefs trump the evidence of reality.

While many will inevitably disagree, claiming this multitude of people are ALL poorly educated, (and maybe some, even many are), the fact remains that not ALL are. So... Let's look at why we believe what we do?

Don't know about educated. But they surely are indoctrinated into dogmatic fundamentalist religious beliefs.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why assume gravity exists?

Way to argue yourself into oblivion.

Do day and night make sense on a flat Earth?

Not if it is middle of the day in Europe while being the middle of the night in China.

They can. Have you researched into it? Even just out of curiosity?

I have better things to do with my time then to entertain ideas that have been disproven for millenia.

You can't see the South Pole or China, or any other ridiculously distant land from New York because ... We don't see infinitely far, atmospheric distortion, and simply how our eyes work (field of vision).

And yet, the higher you go, the further you can see.
Using your logic, it should be the other way round.

 

[joinfree]

So... Let's look at why we believe what we do?

There is no working Flat Earth model yet, isn't it? For example, why I can not see Sun at night?

 

[tas8831]

The ONLY reason people have to question a spherical earth, is because they happen to have a priori dogmatic fundamentalist religious beliefs that instruct them otherwise.

Generally true, though I would add that there are some that do so because they think they are "woke" and privy to clear and obvious knowledge that the 'sheeple' are too brainwashed/stupid/blind to see.

 

[Zetetica]

My thread has turned into a debate between people who think (or know) the Earth is a sphere. That wasn't my intention when I originally posted.

I guess there is one thing left to do...

Unfollow it, toss it to the trash, and learn a lesson not to start posts on this topic.

 

[tas8831]

No, I deleted the account and everything was lost when I cleaned up my computer. Sorry.

Sort of like the claims regarding the guy who had real pictures of Noah's ark, this being presented as proof of Noah's ark being real. Upon asking to see them, we are told that he crashed in private plane and golly, he just happened to have all the prints and negatives with him.

 

[Zetetica]

Sort of like the claims regarding the guy who had real pictures of Noah's ark, this being presented as proof of Noah's ark being real. Upon asking to see them, we are told that he crashed in private plane and golly, he just happened to have all the prints and negatives with him.

Don't accuse me of lying. Thanks.