Trump Admin: publicly funded group can discriminate against Jews & gays

[Speedwell]

It's not. It's linguistic. The language context etc all indicate that Jesus believed in a historical Genesis.

What kind of history did He believe it to be?

 

[YeshuaFan]

What kind of history did He believe it to be?

There were 2 real persons named Adam and Eve, 6 Days of Creation, real Fall, real need of the Messiah etc!

 

[Speedwell]

There were 2 real persons named Adam and Eve, 6 Days of Creation, real Fall, real need of the Messiah etc!

There's a real need for a Messiah whether Genesis is 100% accurate literal history or not.

 

[rjs330]

Let's say the Jesus and Paul thought that Adam and Eve were historical personages. how does that authenticate the notion that Genesis is 100% accurate literal history?

How do you determine what is and what isn't?

 

[rjs330]

Jesus took us back to in the beginning, so He saw Genesis as historically accurate, as did Paul, and peter, as Peter saw the 6 days as being accurate way to view it!

Plus God himself said so in Exodus.

 

[TheBear]

Trump Admin: publicly funded group can discriminate against Jews & gays

So, he's aligning himself with Louis Farrakhan. Interesting.....

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Plus God himself said so in Exodus.

Or not...

 

[Desk trauma]

The ONLY opinion that really counts here though would be how God views it, and He is among those who sees it as negative...

If by here you mean the US what your deity supposedly thinks is not the only thing that matters. Also whatever it thinks does not change the fact that the claim “70%of people in the US oppose same sex marriage” is demonstrably false.

 

[KCfromNC]

People currently, most Americans, have bad opinions about gay marriage.

Poll: Approval of same-sex marriage in U.S. reaches new high

More than two-thirds of Americans say they support same-sex marriage, according to a new Gallup poll published Wednesday.​

Nice bit of speculation, but it looks to be at best woefully out of date.

 

[rjs330]

Or not...

Perhaps you should read what God told Moses. It's pretty clear.

 

[rjs330]

What kind of history did He believe it to be?

Accurate history. Real people, real events.

 

[Speedwell]

Accurate history. Real people, real events.

I was hoping for a more erudite reply. I believe that I had already stipulated arguendo that the people and events were real. But your claim is not about the events or the characters in the story, it is about the text. What kind of history is it?

 

[cow451]

Plus God himself said so in Exodus.

God didn’t literally say it. Somebody wrote that God said it.

 

[Speedwell]

God didn’t literally say it. Somebody wrote that God said it.

If you read the passage carefully, you will see that "somebody" didn't necessarily even write that God said it.

 

[rjs330]

If you read the passage carefully, you will see that "somebody" didn't necessarily even write that God said it.

Except this

Then God spoke all these words: - Exodus 20:1 Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20:1 - Common English Bible
Then Elohim spoke all these words, saying, - Shemot 20:1 Bible Gateway passage: Shemot 20:1 - Orthodox Jewish Bible


So I guess God did say it.

 

[Speedwell]

Except this

Then God spoke all these words: - Exodus 20:1 Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20:1 - Common English Bible
Then Elohim spoke all these words, saying, - Shemot 20:1 Bible Gateway passage: Shemot 20:1 - Orthodox Jewish Bible


So I guess God did say it.

Who wrote "Then God spoke all these words?" Was that God, too, speaking about himself in the third person?

 

[DanishLutheran]

Who wrote "Then God spoke all these words?" Was that God, too, speaking about himself in the third person?

Ah yes. The tried and trusted "Did God really say?"

Never gets old, does it?

 

[Speedwell]

Ah yes. The tried and trusted "Did God really say?"

Never gets old, does it?

It becomes an issue in the US where "what God really said" is being used to bolster an egregious right-wing political agenda and to deny the faith of other Christians who won't go along with it.

 

[rjs330]

It becomes an issue in the US where "what God really said" is being used to bolster an egregious right-wing political agenda and to deny the faith of other Christians who won't go along with it.

It doesn't change what God said. The right wing agenda is irrelevant to what God said. If you don't believe that God said it, that's between you and God. We can debate it, but what you choose to believe is up to you and between you and God.

 

[rjs330]

God didn’t literally say it. Somebody wrote that God said it.

Yes God literally said it. That you choose not to believe it is between you and God.