Is a 3rd future Temple needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?

[Erik Nelson]

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


(KJV+) ForG1063 I wouldG2309 not,G3756 brethren,G80 that yeG5209 should be ignorantG50 of thisG5124 mystery,G3466 lestG3363 ye should beG5600 wiseG5429 inG3844 your own conceits;G1438 thatG3754 blindnessG4457 inG575 partG3313 is happenedG1096 to Israel,G2474 untilG891 G3757 theG3588 fulnessG4138 of theG3588 GentilesG1484 be come in.G1525

G4138
πλήρωμα
plērōma
play'-ro-mah
From G4137; repletion or completion, that is, (subjectively) what fills (as contents, supplement, copiousness, multitude), or (objectively) what is filled (as container, performance, period): - which is put in to fill up, piece that filled up, fulfilling, full, fulness.
Total KJV occurrences: 17



(KJV+) AndG2532 they shall fallG4098 by the edgeG4750 of the sword,G3162 andG2532 shall be led away captiveG163 intoG1519 allG3956 nations:G1484 andG2532 JerusalemG2419 shall beG2071 trodden downG3961 ofG5259 the Gentiles,G1484 untilG891 the timesG2540 of the GentilesG1484 be fulfilled.G4137

G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.
Total KJV occurrences: 90

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According to Bob Cornuke. Israeli archaeologist. Eli shukrown. Found the Bell of the Jewish High Priest at the intersection of the North South sewer. Running from The Temple Mount to the Southern Valley. And a series of several East West. Sewers. Running towards the Gihon Spring. I tried to illustrate that in the image above.

The large unknown structure provisionally identified as a hippodrome lies precisely. At the eastern rear of the proposed temple complex.

I offer that the so called HIPPODROME structure is the key to the puzzle. Perhaps it was a stairway leading up from the road leading North from the massive mikveh at the pool of soloam. Towards the temple and fortress.

edit - Apparently, the Hippodrome was described by Josephus, but never found. And it's persistent positioning up on archaeological maps on the Internet. As near the proposed site of the temple. According to Bob Cornuke. Is pure speculation? No remains of the Hippodrome have ever been found. Nor has any large structure been excavated. In the area. Indicated. It's all pure speculation.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Excellent post

Each verse speaks of the same WHEN, the same YOU, the Same DESOLATION, and the same time to FLEE Judea.

History records the 1st-century Followers of Jesus (the YOU in the passage) did just that "WHEN THEY SAW IT":

The people of the Church in Jerusalem were commanded by an oracle given by revelation before the war to those in the city who were worthy of it to depart and dwell in one of the cities of Pereawhich they called Pella. To it those who believed on Christ traveled from Jerusalem, so that when holy men had altogether deserted the royal capital of the Jews and the whole land of Judaea…"
— Eusebius, Church History 3, 5, 3

This heresy of the Nazoraeans exists in Beroea in the neighbourhood of Coele Syria and the Decapolis in the region of Pella and in Basanitis in the so-called Kokaba (Chochabe in Hebrew). From there it took its beginning after the exodus from Jerusalem when all the disciples went to live in Pella because Christ had told them to leave Jerusalem and to go away since it would undergo a siege. Because of this advice they lived in Perea after having moved to that place, as I said."
— Epiphanius, Panarion 29,7,7-8

For after all those who believed in Christ had generally come to live in Perea, in a city called Pella of the Decapolis of which it is written in the Gospel that it is situated in the neighbourhood of the region of Batanaea and Basanitis, Ebion's preaching originated here after they had moved to this place and had lived there."
— Epiphanius, Panarion 30, 2, 7

So Aquila, while he was in Jerusalem, also saw the disciples of the disciples of the apostles flourishing in the faith and working great signs, healings, and other miracles. For they were such as had come back from the city of Pella to Jerusalem and were living there and teaching. For when the city was about to be taken and destroyed by the Romans, it was revealed in advance to all the disciples by an angel of God that they should remove from the city, as it was going to be completely destroyed. They sojourned as emigrants in Pella, the city above mentioned in Transjordania. And this city is said to be of the Decapolis."
— Epiphanius, On Weights and Measures 15

But....Maybe it'll happen again...everyone knows the rules of multiple fulfillment, right?.....maybe there will be another destruction of Jerusalem and flight of the people, just like maybe there will be another Virgin Birth, another Crucifixion, another 3rd day rising, another 40 days teaching, and another Acts 1:11 Ascension of another messiah..., since, you know, double fulfillment is a RULE that MUST be followed.

Simeon of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

the Jerusalem Christians may have been led Tapella by Simon Clopas, nominated to succeed. Bishop James the brother of the Lord. And author of the Epistle of James. Who was martyred by? Ananias, the High Priest shortly before the Jewish war and destruction of the temple.

Simon prevailed against Thebutis a so called Judaizer. Who's Faction of followers may have given rise to the heresies. Quoted in the sources you cited namely the Ebionites and it Nazoreans

Simon was martyred under Emperor Trajan. In 100 AD at almost exactly the same time as. Pope Saint Clement.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Temple zero. The Temple of Melchizedek. Was buried? With care and ceremony. In 700 BC. Under the reign of King Hezekiah. That matches the description of Josephus. Who says that the ancient? Jewish Kings. Build. Retaining walls. Jutting out from the ophel Mount. And in filled behind them in order to enlarge the platform surrounding the temple. Of Solomon.

 

[BABerean2]

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According to Bob Cornuke. Israeli archaeologist. Eli shukrown. Found the Bell of the Jewish High Priest at the intersection of the North South sewer. Running from The Temple Mount to the Southern Valley. And a series of several East West. Sewers. Running towards the Gihon Spring. I tried to illustrate that in the image above.

The large unknown structure provisionally identified as a hippodrome lies precisely. At the eastern rear of the proposed temple complex.

I offer that the so called HIPPODROME structure is the key to the puzzle. Perhaps it was a stairway leading up from the road leading North from the massive mikveh at the pool of soloam. Towards the temple and fortress.

edit - Apparently, the Hippodrome was described by Josephus, but never found. And it's persistent positioning up on archaeological maps on the Internet. As near the proposed site of the temple. According to Bob Cornuke. Is pure speculation? No remains of the Hippodrome have ever been found. Nor has any large structure been excavated. In the area. Indicated. It's all pure speculation.

Based on the writings of Josephus, and the recent archeological work, the ancient Jewish temple would have been located near Gihon Spring.

Therefore, you seem to be in the correct spot.

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[Choose Wisely]

I'm sorry that you can't see that God has already fulfilled most of what you're anticipating.

Josephus says that Titus entered the Holy of Holies with his generals in A.D. 70. 3 Shortly thereafter, Titus was worshipped in the Temple in A.D. 70 as was customary of someone declared imperator in fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:4: “He sets Himself up in God’s Temple proclaiming Himself to be God.” Josephus writes, “And now the Romans . . . brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator.”4 A metallic image of Vespasian and Titus was also worshipped at that time. The image of Vespasian and Titus was found on the ensign called the numina legionum which was a large coin-shaped bust or image of the emperor and his favorites (i.e. Titus) held aloft on a pole in explicit fulfillment of Revelation 13:14: “He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.” And since Titus was also granted the title Caesar at Vespasian’s coronation, Titus could also be said to be a living, breathing image of his father just as man is the image of God (Genesis 1:26) and Jesus is the image of the Father (Colossians 1:15). Titus is also the “mouth” of Vespasian just as Aaron was the mouth of Moses (Exodus 4:16). Thus when Titus was worshiped beside the images of himself and Vespasian on the numina legionum (meaning “gods of the legions”), Vespasian, Titus’ father and emperor, could also have been said to have been worshiped through Titus who was the mouth and image of his father.

3. Josephus The Wars of the Jews 6.4.7.
4. Josephus The Wars of the Jews 6.6.1.​

There is no mention of Christ coming in the clouds with power and great glory in any historical record that I am aware of.

 

[mkgal1]

There is no mention of Christ coming in the clouds with power and great glory in any historical record that I am aware of.

"Coming in the clouds" is a phrase used often in the OT to describe times when God has used the armies of men in order to carry out His judgement. That's what happened in 70 A.D. His power and glory was demonstrated by this:

From Bible.org: In this destruction, foretold by our Lord, a number of the purposes of God would be accomplished. The old order would be done away with. The priesthood would be done away with. The way would be made for the church to be established as the dwelling place of God, the “new temple” (cf. Ephesians 2:18-22). The temple made with human hands would be no more. ~ 65. Jerusalem in the Last Days (Luke 21:5-38)

Another example of the Lord described as "coming in the clouds":


Isa 19:1
730 BC

-Lord riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt
-the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence



Clouds, in prophetic biblical language, represent His divine power.

Psalm 104:3-4 ~
He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters;
He makes the clouds His chariot;
He walks upon the wings of the wind;

He makes the winds His messengers,
Flaming fire His ministers.
​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is no mention of Christ coming in the clouds with power and great glory in any historical record that I am aware of.

I am sure the Jews and atheists of today also wonder about that ........

And why does it seem that Christians appear more anxious for the "Day of the Lord" and "rapture" to occur than the Jews are>

Amos 5:18
Woe to you who desire the Day of the LORD! [Revelation 16:14 Revelation 18:8]
For what good is the day of the LORD to you?
It will be darkness, and not light. [Revelation 16:10]
[I view this as 1st century/70ad]

The Jews of today don't read our Gospels and book of Revelation, so we certainly can't ask them their views on it.........

So here we have Jesus mentioning both His parousia and full end of the age.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling! to us,
when? shall these be,
and what?
the sign of Thy parousia,
and the consummation/End<5055> of the Age.
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About 25 or so generations have been reading the same verses below that we read today.
The 1st century Jewish Christians who were hearing/reading these verses certainly would have expected it to happen in their lifetimes and I would agree with them....Is that a correct assessment?

Romans 13:11
And this knowing the time, that hour it-is already out of sleep to be roused, for now nearer<1452> of us the Salvation than when we believed.
12 The Night progresses, the yet Day has drawn nigh<1448>.
We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness,
we should be putting on the implements of the Light.

James 5:8
be patient! and stand-fast! the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has drawn nigh<1448>

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> Has drawn nigh<1448>
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,

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Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading, and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it having been Written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
for the Time is nigh<1451>

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
That the Time Is-nigh<1451>.

Zep 1:14
The great day of the LORD is near;
It is near and hastens quickly.
The noise of the day of the LORD is bitter;
There the mighty men shall cry out.
Zep 1:7
Be silent in the presence of the Lord GOD;[Revelation 8:1]
For the day of the LORD is at hand, [Revelation 18:14]
For the LORD has prepared a sacrifice; [Revelation 19:17]
He has invited[fn] His guests.

"THE TIME IS NIGH AT HAND" AND "COMING IN SWIFTNESS" REVELATION PROPHECY



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[LittleLambofJesus]

"Coming in the clouds" is a phrase used often in the OT to describe times when God has used the armies of men in order to carry out His judgement. That's what happened in 70 A.D. His power and glory was demonstrated by this:

From Bible.org: In this destruction, foretold by our Lord, a number of the purposes of God would be accomplished. The old order would be done away with. The priesthood would be done away with. The way would be made for the church to be established as the dwelling place of God, the “new temple” (cf. Ephesians 2:18-22). The temple made with human hands would be no more. ~ 65. Jerusalem in the Last Days (Luke 21:5-38)

Another example of the Lord described as "coming in the clouds":


Isa 19:1
730 BC

-Lord riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt
-the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence



Clouds, in prophetic biblical language, represent His divine power.

Psalm 104:3-4 ~
He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters;
He makes the clouds His chariot;
He walks upon the wings of the wind;

He makes the winds His messengers,
Flaming fire His ministers.
​

I just posted in response to that member and just now saw your response.......
....mea culpa........

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[mkgal1]

I just posted in response to that member and just now saw your response.......
....mea culpa........

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It's a great post - very thorough - and nothing was redundant from what I posted. No problem at all!

 

[mkgal1]

There is no mention of Christ coming in the clouds with power and great glory in any historical record that I am aware of.

Something else to point out about the phrase "coming in the clouds with power" is that it points to Daniel's prophecy, recorded in Daniel 7:

Daniel 7:13-14

As I watched in the night visions,

I saw one like a human being
coming with the clouds of heaven.
And he came to the Ancient One
and was presented before him.
To him was given dominion
and glory and kingship,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
that shall not pass away,
and his kingship is one
that shall never be destroyed.



When the Pharisees were questioning Jesus during his arrest, they asked him bluntly if he was the Messiah (Matt 26:63-65), and how did Jesus answer? By making a reference to Daniel 7:

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you,

From now on you will see the Son of Man
seated at the right hand of Power
and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:63-65)
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~ The Coming of Jesus: Coming on the clouds

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Something else to point out about the phrase "coming in the clouds with power" is that it points to Daniel's prophecy, recorded in Daniel 7:

Daniel 7:13-14

As I watched in the night visions,

I saw one like a human being
coming with the clouds of heaven.
And he came to the Ancient One
and was presented before him.
To him was given dominion
and glory and kingship,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
that shall not pass away,
and his kingship is one
that shall never be destroyed.

When the Pharisees were questioning Jesus during his arrest, they asked him bluntly if he was the Messiah (Matt 26:63-65), and how did Jesus answer? By making a reference to Daniel 7:

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you,

From now on you will see the Son of Man

at the right hand of Power
and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:63-65)
​

~ The Coming of Jesus: Coming on the clouds​

There is an interesting discussion concerning the "shekinah".
It appears to be a Hebrew idiom for "dwelling".

BABerean2 said: ↑
Does the word above come from the Bible?

They didn't see Jesus leave upward into the sky; they saw him leave in a cloud of heaven (read verse 9).

Jesus came in the manner that he went - in a shekinah cloud of glory.

And again, fulfilled prophecy is discriminated against in this forum, so I cannot elaborate.

I have heard that term used in reference to a type of "glory cloud" and a hebrew idiom perhaps.

Perhaps like the cloud at the transfiguration [God dwelling in a cloud?]

Matthew 17:5
Still of Him speaking, behold!
a luminous cloud overshadows them and behold! a Voice out of the cloud saying "this is being the Son of Me, the Beloved, in Whom I well-pleased<2106>,
be ye hearing Him!
Mark 9:7
And became a cloud overshadowing the and became a Voice out of the cloud saying " this is being the Son of Me, the Beloved,
be ye hearing Him!
Luke 9:
34 These yet of Him saying, became a cloud and overshadowed them and they were fearful. Yet in the to be entering them into the cloud<5399>
35 and a Voice became out of the cloud saying "this is the Son of Me, the one having been chosen, Him be ye hearing!
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I found a thread on it? This is from a Messianic view:

Shekinah glory

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Shekhinah - Wikipedia

The Shekhina(h) (Biblical Hebrew: שכינה‎ šekīnah; also Romanized Shekina(h), Schechina(h), Shechina(h))
is the English transliteration of a Hebrew word meaning "dwelling" or "settling" and denotes the dwelling or settling of the divine presence of God. This term does not occur in the Bible, and is from rabbinic literature.[1]:148[2][3]

• 1 Etymology
• 2 Meaning in Judaism
  • 2.1 Manifestation
• 3 Jewish sources
  • 3.1 Usage
  • 3.2 Targum
• 4 Talmud
  • 4.1 Jewish prayers
    • 4.1.1 Sabbath Bride
  • 4.2 The concept of Holy Spirit in Judaism
• 5 Kabbalah
  • 5.1 As feminine aspect
  • 5.2 Nativity and life of Moses
• 6 Christianity
  • 6.1 Spirit of the Lord
• 7 Islam
  • 7.1 Sakīnah in the Qur'an
  • 7.2 Comments regarding Sakina
• 8 Contemporary scholarship
  • 8.1 Raphael Patai
  • 8.2 Comparative religion
  • 8.3 Gustav Davidson
  • 8.4 Branch Davidians
• 9 See also
• 10 References
• 11 External links

 

[claninja]

No, not in this case. I just didn't pull a number out of a hat. I'm basing it on what happened the last time Israel built an altar. God says he declares the end from the beginning.

Not following you here. Do you have scripture or historical record for this?

Everyone thinks that the spring feasts are fulfilled. And yet has there been a harvest?

Are there specific scriptures that teach the harvests (rapture/resurrection) are to occur on/during Jewish feasts? Nothing in your entire post states so.

Starting in Rev 5 we see 24 elders and the throne. They say they are redeemed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Since 24 elders can't come out of kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, there is obviously others there that they are speaking for. This event occurs before any seals are opened. Therefore the tribulation has not started. That's one of the many reasons there will be a pretribulation rapture.

It is not the 24 elders who are redeemed. Revelation 5 does not say that. The 24 elders ALONG with the 4 living creatures sing a new song. In this song they state that all kinds of people, from every tribe, language, and, and nation have been ransomed by the blood of Jesus.

Revelation 5:8-9 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,

This is not a future event, this already happened. Christ has already redeemed, by his blood, people from all nations, tongues, and tribes; jew and gentile alike. For that is why Jesus came in the flesh to give his life, as a ransom for many.

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

1 timothy 2:4-6 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.

1 Peter 1:18-19 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ,

Look at Matt 24 and 1 Thes 5. How is it that Jesus tells us the Goodman will not know when He is coming and yet Paul says that day won't take the believers unaware. How is it that Jesus tells us that things happen on the earth and there will be signs in the sun and the moon and stars. He says look up, your redemption draws nigh, and yet he then says that the Goodman will not know when he is coming. That has to mean He is coming more than once. He is coming Pre Trib and then He is coming immediately after the tribulation, Pre wrath.

This, in fact, does not have to mean he comes more than once. It's important to notice the distinctions that both Jesus and Paul make. Jesus compares his coming to the flood. AND THERE ARE NOT 2 FLOODS. It was only Noah and his family that knew the flood was coming, everyone else scoffed at Noah. While Noah did not know when the exact hour the flood would start, he put his faith in God and built and ark. Thus the flood did not overtake him and his family. But the flood did take away those who didn't expect the flood.

Matthew 24:37-39 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Paul explains it the same way. Believers and unbelievers do were not to know exactly when the Lord would come. But for believers it would not take them by surprise, while for the wicked it would be sudden destruction.

1 thessalonians 5:2-4 or you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

In 1 Thes 4 he says those that are asleep He will bring with Him. They will rise again.......likely on a harvest feast. Jesus will bring them with Him in the clouds. When the pretribulation rapture occurs those that are alive will be caught up......with those in the clouds........to meet the Lord in the air. At this point both the barley and wheat harvest would have occurred.

1 Thessalonians 4 doesn't mention being raptured "prior to the tribulation". It only mentions being raptured at the coming of Christ.

The Church will be gone pretrib as proven in Rev 5. Then the tribulation occurs.

Revelation 5 doesn't mention the church being raptured. Revelation 5 simply states that it was Jesus who was worthy to open the seals, and the by his blood he ransomed people from all tribes, nations, and tongues. This is an event that already occurred by our savior suffering and dying on the cross, and rising again to ascend to the heavenly realms.

Then the tribulation occurs.

I agree the tribulation is an event that occurs after Jesus died to ransom us

After the tribulation is over Jesus is coming for the fall fruit harvest.

I agree that Jesus comes and his sign appears in heaven after the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

The 144,000 that are first fruits are a guarantee of a harvest.

I agree. I believe the 1st century Jews, who were the first fruits, who were faithful to Christ, were sealed with the Holy Spirit, which guaranteed the resurrection, and kept them from the coming wrath of God.

Romans 8:23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies

2 corinthians 5:4-5 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

James 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

We can see the Matt 24 event "immediately after the tribulation" occurring in Rev 6. Then the wrath of God begins.

We can see a lot of Revelation lining up nicely with Matthew 24.

This is the fall fruit harvest. The righteous are gathered in the clouds. The unrighteous go through the wrath of God.

What type of Harvest does the son of man do? It doesn't seem to specifically say what type of Harvest Jesus does in Revelation 14.

The angels harvest the grapes for wrath, which is consistent with the parables of Jesus

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace.

Matthew 13:49-50 The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Salvation comes to the Gentiles pretrib.

Salvation came to the gentiles not long after Jesus ascended.

Then the eyes of 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth are opened.

This happened to many Israelites in the 1st century.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Based on the writings of Josephus, and the recent archeological work, the ancient Jewish temple would have been located near Gihon Spring.

Therefore, you seem to be in the correct spot.

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[Erik Nelson]

There is no mention of Christ coming in the clouds with power and great glory in any historical record that I am aware of.

Josephus says the Jews of Jerusalem saw an army of angels in thunderclouds over Jerusalem shortly before it was destroyed

 

[mkgal1]

There is an interesting discussion concerning the "shekinah".
It appears to be a Hebrew idiom for "dwelling".

Yes....."dwelling" I think is part of the meaning. I believe it's meant to be about "His glory presence".

I found this (and now am interested in just following down this rabbit trail):

Quoting from here: Yeshua: The Shekinah - DVD ------>The Bible is the story of the glory. The Shekinah is the glory of the Lord. The Shekinah is the cloud by day and pillar of fire by night. The Shekinah will lead the twelve tribes of Israel to the land of Israel during the greater exodus in the end of days. At that time, the Shekinah will be upon the Bride of Messiah. The Shekinah will light the New Jerusalem. The Rabbis teach that the Shekinah is the messenger between heaven and earth.

And this article, I think, is a good one about the tabernacle:
The Story: The Tabernacle, Worship, and the Christian, Part 1 (Living Sacrifices)

(Exo 25:8 ESV) 8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst.​

(Exo 29:43-46 ESV) 43 There I will meet with the people of Israel, and it shall be sanctified by my glory. 44 I will consecrate the tent of meeting and the altar. Aaron also and his sons I will consecrate to serve me as priests. 45I will dwell among the people of Israel and will be their God. 46 And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, who brought them out of the land of Egypt that I might dwell among them. I am the LORD their God.

In a beautiful piece of narration, Moses concludes the book of Exodus with these words –

(Exo 40:33-38 ESV) 33 And he erected the court around the tabernacle and the altar, and set up the screen of the gate of the court. So Moses finished the work. 34 Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. 35 And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud settled on it, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. 36 Throughout all their journeys, whenever the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the people of Israel would set out. 37 But if the cloud was not taken up, then they did not set out till the day that it was taken up. 38 For the cloud of the LORD was on the tabernacle by day, and fire was in it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel throughout all their journeys.

The book ends, not with the Promised Land, but with God dwelling among the people and guiding them. And, after all, isn’t that really enough?

God, you see, joined heaven and earth in the Holy of Holies. His throne was above the ark of the covenant, a place called the mercy seat. God simultaneously sat enthroned in heaven and on the mercy seat. But there’s no reason to insist that these were two different places. ~ The Story: The Tabernacle, Worship, and the Christian, Part 1 (Living Sacrifices)

 

[mkgal1]

Oops. Double post.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison, as were the towers also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited

Josephus? Jewish wars. Book 7. Chapter one.

Those who say the 10000 surviving Herodian Stones of the so called Temple Mount. Are in fact the remains of? The Temple of Herod the great. Are both denying the prophecy of Jesus? But also the direct orders of Caesar Vespasian.

According to them. Vespasian ordered his son, Titus to demolish the temple of rebellious insurgents. And his son Titus rebelled against his father's orders and did not carry them out to completion.

 

[Erik Nelson]

In the mean time, the rest of the Roman army had, in seven days' time, overthrown [some] foundations of the tower of Antonia, and had made a ready and broad way to the temple. Then did the legions come near the first court, (12) and began to raise their banks. The one bank was over against the north-west corner of the inner temple (13) another was at that northern edifice which was between the two gates; and of the other two, one was at the western cloister of the outer court of the temple; the other against its northern cloister.

Josephus Jewish wars books 6 Chapter 2.

Josephus appears to be describing the Roman Siegeworks as ramps leading up to the toweringly tall Temple. Similar to the ramps the Romans built against Masada.

If Fortress Antonio was a small structure existing on the so called Temple Mount at the SAME ELEVATION as. The temple. According to the depiction at the famous. Replica of the Israeli museum. Then the Romans would have needed no banks no ramps. They could simply have rolled battering Rams up against the wall. As they had done to Fortress Antonio.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Josephus Jewish wars book 5 Chapter 5.
A DESCRIPTION OF THE TEMPLE.
NOW this temple, as I have already said, was built upon a strong hill. At first the plain at the top was hardly sufficient for the holy house and the altar, for the ground about it was very uneven, and like a precipice; but when king Solomon, who was the person that built the temple, had built a wall to it on its east side, there was then added one cloister founded on a bank cast up for it...
[the Millo, 2 Samuel 5:9]
...and on the other parts the holy house stood naked. But in future ages the people added new banks, and the hill became a larger plain. They then broke down the wall on the north side, and took in as much as sufficed afterward for the compass of the entire temple. And when they had built walls on three sides of the temple round about, from the bottom of the hill, and had performed a work that was greater than could be hoped for, (in which work long ages were spent by them, as well as all their sacred treasures were exhausted, which were still replenished by those tributes which were sent to God from the whole habitable earth,) they then encompassed their upper courts with cloisters, as well as they [afterward] did the lowest [court of the] temple. The lowest part of this was erected to the height of three hundred cubits, and in some places more; yet did not the entire depth of the foundations appear, for they brought earth, and filled up the valleys, as being desirous to make them on a level with the narrow streets of the city; wherein they made use of stones of forty cubits in magnitude; for the great plenty of money they then had, and the liberality of the people, made this attempt of theirs to succeed to an incredible degree; and what could not be so much as hoped for as ever to be accomplished, was, by perseverance and length of time, brought to perfection.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Not following you here. Do you have scripture or historical record for this?

Ezra 3.

Are there specific scriptures that teach the harvests (rapture/resurrection) are to occur on/during Jewish feasts? Nothing in your entire post states so.

The feasts are harvest feasts. I think it means more than barley, wheat and fruit.

This, in fact, does not have to mean he comes more than once.

Sure it does. Jesus says that the Goodman will not know when He is coming. We are told that no man know the day nor the hour. And yet Paul says that day will not take those that are not in darkness by surprise. Further, Jesus says that we will not know when He is coming and yet says there will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. He says look up your redemption draws nigh. He is coming more than once. There will be more than one rapture.

It's important to notice the distinctions that both Jesus and Paul make. Jesus compares his coming to the flood. AND THERE ARE NOT 2 FLOODS.

He compared His coming to the days of Noah, and we know that Noah was in the ark 7 days before the flood. And he compared His coming to the days of Lot. The very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. There are two comings.

It was only Noah and his family that knew the flood was coming, everyone else scoffed at Noah. While Noah did not know when the exact hour the flood would start, he put his faith in God and built and ark. Thus the flood did not overtake him and his family. But the flood did take away those who didn't expect the flood.

Matthew 24:37-39 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Paul explains it the same way. Believers and unbelievers do were not to know exactly when the Lord would come. But for believers it would not take them by surprise, while for the wicked it would be sudden destruction.

Two comings. The Goodman will not know when the master will come in the 1st rapture. Whereas at the second rapture that day will not take the believer unaware.

1 Thessalonians 4 doesn't mention being raptured "prior to the tribulation". It only mentions being raptured at the coming of Christ.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.