Preterist views on Christ's coming

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So He Lied?
Or perhaps was simply mistaken then?
Was Jesus Issuing Empty threats He Had no intention of fulfilling?

Why was He telling those people His Thiefs Coming was going to befall them if He knew it wasn't true?

What are we to think of His character if such a Promise was not fulfilled and Jesus was simply issuing empty threats and lies?

No the threatening was serious, but he told them to rouse themselves and repent, his coming as a thief was conditional on the case being that they did not do this. If Sardis didn't repent then indeed Christ's coming was to them like a thief.

Christ's coming is like that of a thief only to those who are spiritually asleep.

Matthew 24:42-44

Revelation 3:2-3
 
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He exhorts the believers in Thyatira to do the same. “Hold fast what you have until I come.” (Rv 2:25)

Like I've said, I'm not sure a discussion about the past coming of Christ belongs in this forum, so I'll just say that the elephant in the room that traditional Christianity has missed since the age of the church fathers is that the New Testament, like the Old, was written in the Jewish age. Christ promised to come in judgment at the end of the age - the Jewish age, the generation of the apostles - and as we know from history (including Revelation), judgment fell on Jerusalem at the end of the age.

But will there be another coming future to us today, a bodily return of Christ? What do preterists say about verse like Acts 1:11

Acts 1:11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "Why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven."
 
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They didn't see Jesus leave upward into the sky; they saw him leave in a cloud of heaven (read verse 9).

Jesus came in the manner that he went - in a shekinah cloud of glory.

And again, fulfilled prophecy is discriminated against in this forum, so I cannot elaborate.
 
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Lots of Preterist resources online you can read on that topic...


https://www.google.com/search?clien...ixJvgAhVMvKwKHWfVB4EQBQgrKAA&biw=1366&bih=626

https://www.google.com/search?clien...0j0i13i30j0i8i13i30j33i160j33i299.DBDNO5qN8vY

https://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/Bible_NT/Acts/acts_01-11.html
ACTS 1:11

Acts 1:11
"Jesus the [one] having been taken up from you to - heaven thus will come in the way ye beheld him going to - heaven."
(Interlinear Greek-English NT)


The Bible Standard (1970)
"Question —What is meant by the statement in Acts 1: 11: “This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven”?

Answer.—This passage is usually explained as though it read, “as ye have seen him go into heaven , so shall ye see him come again.” Those who so interpret the passage explain it as though the point of comparison emphasized in the passage were His being seen going and His being seen coming again, whereas the passage says nothing whatever about His being seen coming again. Hence His being seen coming again cannot be a part of the point of comparison in this passage.
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John Goulet-Jones (2003)
"As for me, I am looking at the Preterist position with reservations and interest. I am actually surprised to find out how many godly men hold to this position.
In some senses, the Preterist position makes sense - re: the promises of Jesus to return quickly. On the other hand, I have questions about the nature of Christ's return. I cannot turn away from Acts 1:11 and Rev 1:7 where the clear statement of scripture indicate a clear visible bodily return of Christ to be witnessed by Christ's followers and the whole world.

At this time, personally I look for the coming of Christ, at which time it will be all over - the rapture of the Church and the world judged. Sin will be banished. There will be a new heavens and earth. No laughing allowed. It is my sincere position. It is as plain as day in the sciptures. Can't you see it? (Ha! Ha!) PTL! Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the world will know that we are Christians not by our escatological position but by the love we have for one another. Please leave escatological arrogance at the door." (cite: Here)
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Does the word above come from the Bible?
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I have heard that term used in reference to a type of "glory cloud" and a hebrew idiom perhaps.
Perhaps like the cloud at the transfiguration [God dwelling in a cloud?]

Matthew 17:5
Still of Him speaking, behold!
a luminous cloud overshadows them and behold! a Voice out of the cloud saying "this is being the Son of Me, the Beloved, in Whom I well-pleased<2106>,
be ye hearing Him!
Mark 9:7
And became a cloud overshadowing the and became a Voice out of the cloud saying " this is being the Son of Me, the Beloved,
be ye hearing Him!
Luke 9:
34 These yet of Him saying, became a cloud and overshadowed them and they were fearful. Yet in the to be entering them into the cloud<5399>
35 and a Voice became out of the cloud saying "this is the Son of Me, the one having been chosen, Him be ye hearing!


I found a thread on it? This is from a Messianic view:

Shekinah glory

you'll never find the word in your bible as it is not there.

The Shekinah is a Hebrew word (in the sense you are defining it, it is in the female form (grammatically speaking).

It refers usually but not always to the visible manifest presence of God. In some instances, the word takes on similar aspects to our use of the Holy Spirit (but not always).

The word itself is from the root word 'shechan' which means to dwell.

Many are confused because when the bible uses the phrase like 'the glory of the Lord', the word here is usually just 'kavod' which means 'glory' and little other detail is given to it. It is only when you start to look at the word from a traditional Jewish perspective that meat is added to the bones so to speak
however, I will not bore you with my messianic ideas I'll just give a couple of quotes from some of their writings...

When the angels had brought forth Lot and his family and set them without the city, he bade them run for their lives, and not look behind, lest they behold the Shekinah, which had descended to work the destruction of the cities. (legends of the Jews)

When God commanded Israel to set out from Sinai and continue their march, the Israelites were glad, for during their stay in that place they had throughout eleven days received new laws daily, and they hoped that after having departed from the holy mountain they would receive no further laws. Hence, instead of making a day's march from Sinai, as God had commanded them, they marched incessantly for three days, in order to be as far as possible from the holy spot. They behaved like a boy who runs quickly away after dismissal from school, that his teacher might not call him back. Although this antipathy to His laws vexed God, He did not therefore forsake them, but let the Ark move before them as long as they desired to continue the march. For it was by this token that the Israelites knew that the Shekinah was among them, as God had promised them. As often as they broke camp or pitched camp Moses would say to them: "Do what the Shekinah within the Ark bids you do." But they would not believe Moses that the Shekinah dwelt among them unless he spoke the words: "Rise up, Lord, and let Thine enemies be scattered; and let them that hate Thee flee before Thee," whereupon the Ark would begin to move, and they were convinced of the presence of the Shekinah. The Ark furthermore gave the signal for breaking camp by soaring up high, and then swiftly moving before the camp at a distance of three days' march, until it found a suitable spot upon which Israel might encamp. (legends of the Jews - the ungrateful multitude).

in the Targums, the Aramaic translation of the OT, the phrase 'the word of the Lord' (in the sense of 'the word of the Lord came to him), often uses 'shekhinah instead of word of the Lord. Welcome to the world of circumlocutions.

The Talmud records that the temple was destroyed due to bloodshed in the land resulting in the withdrawal of the shekhinah and hence its destruction (Shabbat 31b).

okay I am bored of finding quotes now... let's just say that the word exists over 180 times in the talmud in many different contexts and settings.

Why not take the time to study some Jewish writings and find out how the sages of Israel defined the Shekhinah.

p.s. for anyone who does like to read quotes from ancient Jewish writings I am happy to add more (or maybe just the references so you can look them up).
Shekhinah - Wikipedia

The Shekhina(h) (Biblical Hebrew: שכינה‎ šekīnah; also Romanized Shekina(h), Schechina(h), Shechina(h))
is the English transliteration of a Hebrew word meaning "dwelling" or "settling" and denotes the dwelling or settling of the divine presence of God. This term does not occur in the Bible, and is from rabbinic literature.[1]:148[2][3]

 
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No the threatening was serious, but he told them to rouse themselves and repent, his coming as a thief was conditional on the case being that they did not do this. If Sardis didn't repent then indeed Christ's coming was to them like a thief.

Christ's coming is like that of a thief only to those who are spiritually asleep.

Matthew 24:42-44

Revelation 3:2-3
My apologies.
I was under the impression you believed His thief's coming did NOT indeed befall those at Sardis who weren't watching.

My Mistake
 
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Fulfilled in Acts 9:3-4 and Acts 7:54-60
Would you say they are are no on 12 thrones judging Israel?

Mat 19:28
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory,
you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones,
judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:30
“that ye may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Are the 2 witnesses ascending in Revelation 11 fulfilled?

REVE 20:5-6 "THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION"

Revelation 11:12
And they hear a great voice out of the heaven saying to them, “ascend<305> ye here!
And they ascended<305> into the heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and
judgment was committed to them.
 
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Would you say they are are no on 12 thrones judging Israel?

Mat 19:28
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory,
you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones,
judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:30
“that ye may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Are the 2 witnesses ascending in Revelation 11 fulfilled?

REVE 20:5-6 "THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION"

Revelation 11:12
And they hear a great voice out of the heaven saying to them, “ascend<305> ye here!
And they ascended<305> into the heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them
, and
judgment was committed to them.

It is the judgment of the dead that is a problem for some forms of Preterism.
How do you make the following fit your form of the doctrine?


Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Do you think the judgment of the dead occurred in 70 AD?

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It is the judgment of the dead that is a problem for some forms of Preterism.
How do you make the following fit your form of the doctrine?
My "form of doctrine".....LOL. What is your form of doctrine?

If Revelation is the fulfillment of Luke's 1st century Temple/Discourses, then yes it happened in 70ad/1st century.

If Revelation is not that fulfillment, then of course the Jews will have to wait till they build a future Temple and Sanctuary, then it will come. In either case, that is their worry, not mine,
so perhaps you should ask for their view of Luke and Revelation......

Do you believe any of Luke's Jerusalem/Temple discourses are fulfilled and or showing in Revelation?

Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10


Luke 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.

Is this 1st century/70ad or still yet future for the Jews [looks like they will need their swords].....

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints


24 And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”

In YOUR view/doctrine, is this 70ad/1st century or still future for the Jews and their City/Temple?

Revelation 11:

1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833> without of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!<1544> out-side, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the nations
and the holy City they shall be treading<3961> forty two months.
 
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BABerean2 said:
It is the judgment of the dead that is a problem for some forms of Preterism.
How do you make the following fit your form of the doctrine?
My "form of doctrine".....LOL. What is your form of doctrine?

If Revelation is the fulfillment of Luke's 1st century Temple/Discourses, then yes it happened in 70ad/1st century.

If Revelation is not that fulfillment, then of course the Jews will have to wait till they build a future Temple and Sanctuary, then it will come. In either case, that is their worry, not mine,
so perhaps you should ask for their view of Luke and Revelation......

Do you believe any of Luke's Jerusalem/Temple discourses are fulfilled and or showing in Revelation?

Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10


Luke 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.

Is this 1st century/70ad or still yet future for the Jews [looks like they will need their swords].....

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints


24 And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”

In YOUR view/doctrine, is this 70ad/1st century or still future for the Jews and their City/Temple?

Revelation 11:

1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833> without of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!<1544> out-side, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the nations
and the holy City they shall be treading<3961> forty two months.
As soon as you respond to my above post concerning Luke and Revelation, I will continue with some more Luke and Revelation scriptures [of which you keep quoting]....
 
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I thought you already knew what I thought about Luke 21, since I have posted it and you have re-posted it?


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,...

past events

until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. ..............................................
(Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. Also see Galatians 1:14-18. )

future events

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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I thought you already knew what I thought about Luke 21, since I have posted it and you have re-posted it?

past events

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,...

until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. ..............................................
(Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. Also see Galatians 1:14-18. )

future events

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for
your redemption draweth nigh.

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So your making a 2000 yr gap in the Jerusalem/Temple discourse?!?!?!
That is just as bad and no different than the Dispensationalist' view of a 2000yr gap in Daniel's 70 weeks!
Or do you believe there is a gap in Daniel's 70th week?


Here are the verses you put up:
It is the judgment of the dead that is a problem for some forms of Preterism.
How do you make the following fit your form of the doctrine?


Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here..
Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
I am going to include the verse in Luke that you conveniently left out,
and why don't you and/or others see if and where certain word/phrases are used in the 70ad book of Revelation? Especially if one is a preterist! [which I thought you were]

Matthew 12:41

`Men Ninevites shall be resurrecting/standing up/<450> in the judging<2920> with this generation and they shall be condemning it,

Luke 11:32
'Men of Nineveh<3536> shall be resurrecting/standing-up <450> in the judging<2920> with this generation, and shall be condemning<2632 it,

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G2920 κρίσις (krisis), which occurs 48 times in 47 verses

4 verses in REVELATION

Rev 14:7
saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him,
for the hour of His judgment has come;
and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
Rev 16:7
And I heard another from[fn] the altar saying,
“Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.
Rev 18:10
“standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty City!
For in one hour Your judgment has come.’
Rev 19:2
“For true and righteous are His judgments,
because He has judged the great Harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication;
and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.”

Matthew 23:37
‘Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee,....
Behold! left desolate to you is your house;
Luke 13:34
‘Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
that is killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto her......
35 ‘Behold! your house is being left to you desolate,
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Now let's take a look at where #3340 is used:

G3340 μετανοέω (metanoeō), occurs 36 times in 32 verses

Matthew 12:41
that they repent/reform<3340> into the proclamation of Jonah
and behold! more of Jonah here.
Luke 11:32
because they repent/reform<3340> at the proclamation<2782> of Jonah;
and behold! greater/more<4119> of Jonah here!
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#3340 used in 4 verses of 70ad Revelation

Revelation 9:
20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues,
did not repent/repent of the works of their hands,
that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.
21 And they did not repent/reform of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Revelation 16:
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues;
and they did not repent/reform and give Him glory.
11 - They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores,
and did not repent/reform of their deeds.
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This is a response to a post you made on the Daniel's 70 weeks gap thread:

Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

In Irenaus's writing, we should only be concerned with Matthew 24:21 because he appears to be quoting from that passage.

Mat_24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

In context,

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
______________________________________________

So go to Daniel 12:11-12 to see the timeframes and Daniel 12:4-7
to know that it is at the time of the end when "...many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

You are trying to change "great tribulation" into the "great tribulation period of 7 years", in order to make your doctrine work.

Mat 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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So your making a 2000 yr gap in the Jerusalem/Temple discourse?!?!?!
That is just as bad and no different than the Dispensationalist' view of a 2000yr gap in Daniel's 70 weeks!
Or do you believe there is a gap in Daniel's 70th week?

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

Based on What Paul said in Galatians 1:14-18, and Acts of the Apostles 28:17-31, we are now in the times of the Gentiles.


Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. (Paul was speaking to Jews in Rome.)


Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

When do you think the times of the Gentiles comes to an end?


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Based on What Paul said in Galatians 1:14-18, and Acts of the Apostles 28:17-31,.............
When do you think the times of the Gentiles comes to an end?
I will have to research more on the war of the Jews from 63ad and 70ad.
I can offer an opinion tho based on Josephus' account of what was happening to the cities of Israel and Judah between 63 ad and 70ad.

This is what was happening before the final siege in 70ad.
There was widespread rebellions by various Jewish factions and thus the 42 months could include the trampling by those, and not just the Romans in 70 ad.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Vespasian, after proceeding as far as Jericho, returned to Caesarea, in order to make preparation for his grand attempt against Jerusalem. While he was thus employed, he received intelligence of the death of Nero ; whereupon, not knowing what the will of the future emperor might be, he prudently resolved to suspend, for the present, the execution of his design. Thus the Almighty gave the Jews a second respite, which continued nearly two years ; but they repented not of their crimes, neither were they in the least degree reclaimed, but rather proceeded to acts of still greater enormity. The flame of civil dissension again burst out and, With more dreadful fury. In the heart of Jerusalem two factions, contended for the sovereignty, raged a against each other with rancorous and destructive animosity. A division of one of these factions having been excluded from the city (vide page 26,) forcibly entered it during the night. Athirst for blood, and inflamed by revenge, they spared neither age, sex, nor infancy ; and the morning beheld eight thousand five hundred dead bodies lying in the streets of the holy city. They plundered every house , and having found the chief priests Anaius and Jesus, not only slew them, but, insulting their bodies, cast them forth unburied. They slaughtered the common people as unfeelingly as if they had been a herd of the vilest beasts. The nobles they first imprisoned, then scourged, and when they could not by these means attach them to their party, they bestowed death upon them as a favour. Of the higher classes twelve thousand perished in this manner ; nor did any one dare to shed a tear, or utter a groan, openly, through fear of a similar fate. Death, indeed, was the penalty of the lightest and heaviest accusations , nor did any escape through the meanness of their birth, or their poverty. Such as fled were intercepted and slain : their carcasses lay in heaps on all the public roads : every symptom of pity seemed utterly extinguished, and with it, all respect for authority, both human and divine.
While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers, who plundered the towns; and, in case of resistance, slew the inhabitants, not sparing either women or children. Simon, son of Gioras, the commander of one of these bands, at the head of forty thousand banditti, having with some difficulty entered Jerusalem, gave birth to a third faction, and the flame of civil discord blazed out again, with still more destructive fury. The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness.........
I did a google search on 42 months Jerusalem 70 ad and this site came up..
I quoted just part of it, but I am putting it into a study folder as the author appears to have some interesting perspectives on it and fills in a lot of the puzzle during that period.......Fascinating........

I am bolding the parts that I feel are worth studying more deeply on.....

The Gentiles Trampled Jerusalem for 42 Months (Revelation 11:1-2)

In Revelation 11:1-2 John was told about a 3.5 year period of tragedy that was about to come upon:
Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, ‘Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles, and they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.’”

The Greek word used here for “Gentiles” is “ethnos,” the counterpart of the Hebrew word “goy” in the Old Testament. In the past, I simply assumed that this must be a reference to the Romans who helped destroy Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.
I marked out 3.5 years from the time that Nero dispatched Vespasian as his war general (early 67 AD) until Vespasian’s son, Titus, oversaw the burning of the temple in August 70 AD.

However, the Romans did not trample the city of Jerusalem for 42 months. They only trampled Jerusalem during the 5-month siege of Titus in 70 AD.

The Jews successfully kicked the Romans out of Jerusalem in August 66 AD, and they only managed to return to Jerusalem for a few days in November 66 AD when Cestius Gallus unsuccessfully attacked the city.

For the next 3.5 years the Romans did not enter Jerusalem.

During the 42 months before the Romans came, Jerusalem was indeed trampled,
but it was by a different group of people.

In early 68 AD Jesus ben Gamala, one of the former high priests, gave a speech in which he described what was happening to Jerusalem because of the Zealots:


“And this place, which is adored by the habitable world, and honored by such as only know it by report, as far as the ends of the earth, is trampled upon by these wild beasts born among ourselves” (Wars 4.4.3).


“Foreigners Appeared to Have Begun the War.”
About a year into the Jewish-Roman War (66-73 AD), the Roman general Vespasian stated his strong suspicion that “foreigners” had begun the war.


Josephus then identified those foreigners and where they came from. It happened when Vespasian captured part of Galilee in the summer of 67 AD. He “sat upon his tribunal at Taricheae, in order to distinguish the foreigners from the old inhabitants; for those foreigners appeared to have begun the war.

Some of those foreigners were from Hippos, which was “a Greco-Roman city” in the Decapolis that was “culturally tied more closely to Greece and Rome than to the Semitic ethnoi around” (Wikipedia). Josephus said that “the greatest part of [those foreigners] were seditious persons and fugitives, who were of such shameful characters that they preferred war before peace.” Most of the other foreigners were from Trachonitis and Gaulanitis, in the region of Batanea near Persia (Wars 3.10.10).
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I will have to research more on the war of the Jews from 63ad and 70ad.
I can offer an opinion tho based on Josephus' account of what was happening to the cities of Israel and Judah between 63 ad and 70ad.

Are you ignoring what Paul said about the Gospel being taken to the Gentiles in Acts chapter 28?

Are you ignoring what Paul said in Romans 11?

Do you realize that the reference to 3 1/2 years or 42 months is found in numerous places in scripture because it is half of the 7 year Hebrew calendar?

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