Solution for Government shut down

[Ken-1122]

All I hear about is this partial government shut down and how so many people are hurting because of it. How come these people aren't getting unemployment during this shut down? Then they could just pay the money back once they receive all the back pay that they always get once the shutdown is over. Wouldn't this fix everything? Or am I missing something.

 

[Dave-W]

It varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, whether someone who is still employed (and maybe working without pay) is eligible for unemployment. Most states mandate you be actively looking for work and take what ever job comes along. Many also have a waiting period of a few days to several weeks before you get any money from them.

 

[iluvatar5150]

For the people who aren't going in to work, this is an option, though with unemployment you typically have to wait at least a week before becoming eligible for the benefits.

For the people who are going in to work but not getting paid, the fact that they're going in to work makes them ineligible for unemployment.

 

[Goonie]

For the people who aren't going in to work, this is an option, though with unemployment you typically have to wait at least a week before becoming eligible for the benefits.

For the people who are going in to work but not getting paid, the fact that they're going in to work makes them ineligible for unemployment.

Also since they have govt contracts of employment, I suspect they would not qualify anyway even if they were not going to work.

 

[sfs]

Can Federal Employees Get Unemployment During Shutdown? It Depends

 

[Ringo84]

A solution I'd support is a Trump and McConnell resignation, with immediate effect. He'd undeniably be "mak[ing] America great again" by doing that.
Ringo

 

[Yekcidmij]

All I hear about is this partial government shut down and how so many people are hurting because of it. How come these people aren't getting unemployment during this shut down? Then they could just pay the money back once they receive all the back pay that they always get once the shutdown is over. Wouldn't this fix everything? Or am I missing something.

A better solution is just to pay your employees for the work they performed (especially the exempted ones that have to show up for work).

 

[com7fy8]

How come these people aren't getting unemployment during this shut down?

I guess you mean unemployment paid by states while the federal government is not functioning. The federals would not be working, likely, so they would not be paying unemployment.

I did not think of this.

But I guess that they are officially employed, though not being paid.

Maybe individual states could legislatively or executively declare a temporary paying program for federal employees living in each given state, using reserve money. And then states would get their money back.

By now, even cities could have a set-up, knowing how there can be federal government shutdowns.

And I suppose they could have a vote-equals-dollars system, in which each vote brings money to the party of the candidate each American votes for. So, the winning presidential candidate gets money according to how many votes he or she got, while also the second-place loser gets money of that person's voters, to his or her party. And each party must use their money for priority items requiring investment, and they have to pay for their own pork stuff. And if the party freezes itself, its money automatically goes to the other party at certain deadlines. Something like this. And parties can share as much as they can agree.

 

[Ken-1122]

It varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, whether someone who is still employed (and maybe working without pay) is eligible for unemployment. Most states mandate you be actively looking for work and take what ever job comes along. Many also have a waiting period of a few days to several weeks before you get any money from them.

Yeah I know. I was suggesting perhaps the federal government can have an agreement with the state to pay people effected by the shut-down to get unemployment insurance which will be paid back when the Federal Government is up back and running. Seems to me that would fix everything. Do you agree?

 

[Ken-1122]

For the people who are going in to work but not getting paid, the fact that they're going in to work makes them ineligible for unemployment.

But if there were an agreement with the State and Federal Government to allow payments that will be paid back as soon as the Government is back on line, this seems like the perfect solution to me; what do you think?

 

[Ken-1122]

I guess you mean unemployment paid by states while the federal government is not functioning. The federals would not be working, likely, so they would not be paying unemployment.

I did not think of this.

But I guess that they are officially employed, though not being paid.

Yes. But if they received unemployment payments while working at least they would be able to get something to get them through instead of nothing at all. Seems this would solve everything; do you agree?

 

[Arcangl86]

Yes. But if they received unemployment payments while working at least they would be able to get something to get them through instead of nothing at all. Seems this would solve everything; do you agree?

No, what would solve everything would be to reopen the government and try to get the wall through the normal legislative practice.

 

[Ken-1122]

No, what would solve everything would be to reopen the government and try to get the wall through the normal legislative practice.

But that will never happen. Once the Government is opened, the Democrats will never allow the wall to be built through the normal legislative process. The republicans know the only hand they can play is close the Government hoping the Democrats will blink, and the federal workers are caught in the middle. If they were allowed to get unemployment insurance during this time, they wouldn't be caught in the middle.

 

[jgarden]

All I hear about is this partial government shut down and how so many people are hurting because of it. How come these people aren't getting unemployment during this shut down? Then they could just pay the money back once they receive all the back pay that they always get once the shutdown is over. Wouldn't this fix everything? Or am I missing something.

Many of these government workers are employed in areas deemed "essential services" which requires them to remain on the job even when they're not being paid!

Others are being told to report back to work because with its eye on the polls, the Trump Administration has decided that its bad politics to inconvenience the general public more than necessary!

 

[Stellar Vision]

But that will never happen. Once the Government is opened, the Democrats will never allow the wall to be built through the normal legislative process. The republicans know the only hand they can play is close the Government hoping the Democrats will blink, and the federal workers are caught in the middle. If they were allowed to get unemployment insurance during this time, they wouldn't be caught in the middle.

Too bad. Trump didn't bother to push it through when he had both chambers of Congress for the first two years of his presidency. Maybe he'll get lucky and win it back in 2020 with a second term. Maybe.

The answer is not to now hold federal workers' livelihoods hostage for your own vanity projects when you have no other leverage. Maybe he shouldn't have lied about Mexico paying for it.

 

[Arcangl86]

But that will never happen. Once the Government is opened, the Democrats will never allow the wall to be built through the normal legislative process. The republicans know the only hand they can play is close the Government hoping the Democrats will blink, and the federal workers are caught in the middle. If they were allowed to get unemployment insurance during this time, they wouldn't be caught in the middle.

The Democrats were willing to horsetrade the Wall for the DREAM Act, but that got shot down by the President months ago. The Democrats aren't going to blink, and sooner or later the Senate is going to realize how damaging this is to their reelection prospects and force Leader McConnell to allow a vote.

 

[jgarden]

Solution for Government shut down

Trump hasn't come to terms with the political reality that most presidents face when their party don't hold majorities in both Houses of Congress!

He's about to learn that Pelosi is a formidable opponent who is not about to be intimidated or outmanoeuvred by "The Donald"

 

[Ken-1122]

Many of these government workers are employed in areas deemed "essential services" which requires them to remain on the job even when they're not being paid!

Yes. That's why they should be getting unemployment insurance to be paid back later. Agree?

 

[Ken-1122]

The answer is not to now hold federal workers' livelihoods hostage for your own vanity projects when you have no other leverage.

True; the answer is unemployment insurance. Agree?

 

[Ken-1122]

Solution for Government shut down

Trump hasn't come to terms with the political reality that most presidents face when their party don't hold majorities in both Houses of Congress!

He's about to learn that Pelosi is a formidable opponent who is not about to be intimidated or outmanoeuvred by "The Donald"

But it isn't about them, it's about the country and the federal workers.