Solution for Government shut down

[com7fy8]

I guess that they are officially employed, though not being paid.

if there were an agreement with the State and Federal Government to allow payments that will be paid back as soon as the Government is back on line, this seems like the perfect solution to me; what do you think?

if they received unemployment payments while working at least they would be able to get something to get them through instead of nothing at all. Seems this would solve everything; do you agree?

Technically, nothing solves everything, I would say. But yes I would be glad to see federal workers being paid by state unemployment, and it could be paid back if the employees later got paid. And in case I was working, I would be fine with an emergency take-out from my pay to help the federal workers. But, of course, there might not be any federal workers available to arrange for getting help from my pay check!! It might need to come through state workers taking care of this.

There is an issue, I am guessing > that if states pay unemployment, there might be a much larger group percentage of federal workers in some states, than in others. And what about in Washington D.C.? Maybe to exaggerate, almost the whole population might need unemployment; so where does it come from? And, yes, Washington D.C. if I remember right is not part of any state.

 

[Ken-1122]

The Democrats were willing to horsetrade the Wall for the DREAM Act, but that got shot down by the President months ago.

I think you’ve got it backwards.
President Trump Is Expected to Announce DACA Protections in Exchange for Border Wall Funding to End Shutdown

 

[Ken-1122]

Technically, nothing solves everything, I would say. But yes I would be glad to see federal workers being paid by state unemployment, and it could be paid back if the employees later got paid. And in case I was working, I would be fine with an emergency take-out from my pay to help the federal workers. But, of course, there might not be any federal workers available to arrange for getting help from my pay check!! It might need to come through state workers taking care of this.

I don’t think that would be a good idea, too much taken out of our paychecks already; and with unemployment already taken, it isn’t necessary.

There is an issue, I am guessing > that if states pay unemployment, there might be a much larger group percentage of federal workers in some states, than in others. And what about in Washington D.C.?

Federal workers whether employed in Washington D.C. or any other state have been paying unemployment insurance. I’m just saying they should be able to collect some of that unemployment insurance they have been paying into all of this time.

Maybe to exaggerate, almost the whole population might need unemployment; so where does it come from?

It comes from whatever source they have been paying into all this time.

 

[SimplyMe]

I think you’ve got it backwards.
President Trump Is Expected to Announce DACA Protections in Exchange for Border Wall Funding to End Shutdown

No, that isn't backwards. The Democrats had a deal for permanent DACA protections, Trump had agreed but backed out after being called "Amnesty Don" by the conservative media. What the President is proposing now is temporary protections -- what Democrats want is a path to citizenship for the Dreamers, not delay a path to citizenship by three years (or risk, after the three years, that they could be deported). A part of me agrees with the Democrats -- it should not be delayed (and Trump once promised he'd sign a DACA bill passed by Congress, before backing out). OTOH, I think because of "Amnesty Don" that Trump will never agree to permanent DACA protections. While I don't like the idea of "pushing the problem down the road," I'm thinking it is better to take the deal they can get and to now work on making sure they can make the DACA protections permanent under a new President.

Now, I disagree with the Democratic statements I've heard so far. Trump was smart, he "compromised" (even if things the Democrats already told him weren't good enough) which gives him a "win" in public opinion.

The Democrats should not be saying, "no." Instead, the Democrats should thank the President for giving a starting point for negotiations and either attempt to negotiate further (make Trump say "no") or counter his offer with one of their own -- which would include making DACA permanent rather than temporary.

 

[Ken-1122]

No, that isn't backwards. The Democrats had a deal for permanent DACA protections, Trump had agreed but backed out after being called "Amnesty Don" by the conservative media.

Well maybe something can now be worked out now that Trump seems to be changing his mind on the issue; but in the mean time give 'em that unemployment insurance

 

[mark46]

Only the unemployed can get unemployment. So, yes those who are NOT working can file.

All I hear about is this partial government shut down and how so many people are hurting because of it. How come these people aren't getting unemployment during this shut down? Then they could just pay the money back once they receive all the back pay that they always get once the shutdown is over. Wouldn't this fix everything? Or am I missing something.

 

[Yekcidmij]

in the mean time give 'em that unemployment insurance

Or just stop seizing other people's property.

 

[Ken-1122]

Only the unemployed can get unemployment.

I know. I'm saying an exception needs to be made when people are expected to continue working without pay

So, yes those who are NOT working can file.

I'm talking about those who ARE working.

 

[Ken-1122]

Or just stop seizing other people's property.

What are you talking about?

 

[Yekcidmij]

What are you talking about?

It's federal worker's incomes that are being used as the bargaining chip, many of which continue to work without pay. The argument is simple. Their income is their property, and it's been taken and being used without their consent, without due process, and without compensation.

Rather than give them unemployment checks, just give them their actual checks.

 

[mark46]

There is no reason for unemployment insurance coverage. Congress can simply pass a resolution promising that they will pay all these folks when it is possible, as they do after every shutdown.

I understand lots of the negative consequences. Lots of contractors and vendors lose lots of money. HOWEVER, actual employees SHOULD NOT be damaged. They can take out a loan. The lender is 100% sure that these folks will eventually be paid.

I know. I'm saying an exception needs to be made when people are expected to continue working without pay

I'm talking about those who ARE working.

 

[Ken-1122]

It's federal worker's incomes that are being used as the bargaining chip, many of which continue to work without pay. The argument is simple. Their income is their property, and it's been taken and being used without their consent, without due process, and without compensation.

Rather than give them unemployment checks, just give them their actual checks.

Their actual checks require a budget. If there is not budget, there is not money to cut checks from.

 

[Ken-1122]

There is no reason for unemployment insurance coverage. Congress can simply pass a resolution promising that they will pay all these folks when it is possible, as they do after every shutdown.

But if they are evicted from their homes, or lose their cars, and other properties while they are waiting for payments when possible, that 's not fair to them. Unemployment insurance can fix all of that.

I understand lots of the negative consequences. Lots of contractors and vendors lose lots of money. HOWEVER, actual employees SHOULD NOT be damaged. They can take out a loan. The lender is 100% sure that these folks will eventually be paid.

What happens if the lender refuses to give them a loan?

 

[Yekcidmij]

Their actual checks require a budget. If there is not budget, there is not money to cut checks from.

No, their checks require an appropriations bill.

In any case, without their consent it's wrong to seize their property without due process, just compensation, and for public use - appropriations bill or not. It's of questionable legality as well since the nobody in the gov't can incur obligations without an appropriations bill and here they are incurring obligations by having people work without an appropriations bill.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

A solution I'd support is a Trump and McConnell resignation, with immediate effect. He'd undeniably be "mak[ing] America great again" by doing that.
Ringo

I agree . The sooner , that better. I'm not even a supported of Pence. But I believe he's less of a joke. And even smarter about presidential stuff .Then Trump.

 

[jgarden]

It's federal worker's incomes that are being used as the bargaining chip, many of which continue to work without pay. The argument is simple. Their income is their property, and it's been taken and being used without their consent, without due process, and without compensation.

Rather than give them unemployment checks, just give them their actual checks.

In the private sector its known as "EXTORTION" and Trump would be prosecuted through the courts!

 

[Aryeh Jay]

In the private sector its known as "EXTORTION" and Trump would be prosecuted through the courts!

The “courts” where he gets to pick the Attorney General and appoint the judges. And if all else fails, he can pardon himself. Sounds like a pretty good system to me.

Has he paid all the workers that built his buildings that he stiffed yet?

 

[cow451]

The “courts” where he gets to pick the Attorney General and appoint the judges. And if all else fails, he can pardon himself. Sounds like a pretty good system to me.

Has he paid all the workers that built his buildings that he stiffed yet?

It’s saying something when the guy had the deck stacked in his favor for two years can’t get squat done.

 

[mark46]

???

Last year, Trump was further away from the 60 votes needed for the wall. I suppose that he might have been successful in pressuring a few Democrats if the first year of his presidency hadn't been quite so bad.

It’s saying something when the guy had the deck stacked in his favor for two years can’t get squat done.

 

[com7fy8]

Thank you, Ken, for taking the time and making the effort to comment on my impressions

How come these people aren't getting unemployment during this shut down? Then they could just pay the money back once they receive all the back pay that they always get once the shutdown is over.

Federal workers whether employed in Washington D.C. or any other state have been paying unemployment insurance. I’m just saying they should be able to collect some of that unemployment insurance they have been paying into all of this time.

So, possibly to clarify, you mean they can be paid from insurance which they already paid for, and then pay it back into their insurance set-up, once they get back pay.