Why is the day of worship controversial?

[ace of hearts]

My friend the scriptures here are God's WORD not mine. Your response to God's WORD here is to ignore it.

Oh

Ignoring God's WORD does not make it magically dissappear. This is your response to nearly all my posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you that are sent in love only as a help to you. Your argument is with God not me. I post these scriptures only as a help to you.

What is my response concerning making Scripture disappear? Is it not commenting on every passage and reference in your posts? Why when lots of them aren't related to the discussion and nothing but filler leading away from the passages I do mention and quote?

The scriptures in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 are a WARNING to us to KNOW if someone is from GOD or NOT from GOD. Let's look at the detail.

By all means, please let's do.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], AND HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

Your claim is that this scripture is not talking about God's 10 Commandments. Let's examine this claim through the scriptures looking at the CONTEXT you have left out of your interpretation of the scriptures...

Good idea.

CONTEXT OF 1 JOHN 2:3-4 IS SIN BREAKING GOD’S COMMANDMENTS

1 JOHN 2:1-2
[1], My little children, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

NOTE: The CONTEXT and reson why JOHN is writting this epistle is what? v1 THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. It goes on to say if any man sin we have an advocate with the father. This leads us into v3-4

[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

NOTE: So the reason for JOHN'S epistle is that THAT WE SIN NOT v1. Then in v3-4 it says
HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

Now notice carefully what Commandments in God's WORD are associated with sin if broken or another way of asking the same question would be what is sin because the reason why JOHN is writting his epistle is that we sin not.

Well what can I say. Let's look again at the verses you quote and comment on.

I notice verse 1 makes these points -

• A purpose - not to sin
• A provision for if we do

What is interesting to me is you totally ignore the second item about provision in your examination. This isn't the first time either. Like I said then and now again, it appears to me you avoid Jesus. Yes people like you don't talk much about Jesus and what He did for us. Instead you talk about what we do. What Jesus told the man that asked what must I do, he doesn't and isn't willing to do. The same goes for you and your claim about keeping the law (famous 10).

In that you by pass "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" When looking at the verse and continue with "3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments" you change the context and meaning by deleting half a verse.

I think you mean know God the Father, not Jesus Christ the righteous with verse 3. What does the very same letter of John say in 3?

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Clearly the commandment of God the Father is - That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

More proof for my idea is verse 24 about us (including Jesus) abiding in each other. John also says the same in his discussion about the vine quoting Jesus in Jn 15.

You continue with this altered context in verse 4. But for context you must also include verse 5.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

This proves without a doubt the context is Jesus and not God the Father. It too is backed with my reference to Jesus talking about the Vine in Jn 15 and my quote from 1 Jn 3.

Other then this verse you quote below, I see nothing else in you post I want to respond to.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. You defeat your whole reason for pushing the 4th commandment of the famous 10.

 

[ace of hearts]

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I wish only to respond to the following also found in post 582-

God's LAW has the same role as it always has and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 though if we have found God's forgiveness and are cleansed from our SIN (breaking God's LAW) through repentance and confession of sins *1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13, through faith and are born again to walk in God's Spirit *1 JOHN 3:3-10; GALATIANS 5:16, we are no longer CONDEMNED by the law and it's PENALTY for SIN *ROMANS 8:1-4 which is death because we have accepted the gift of GOD'S dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

This is a direct response to my question about the purpose the law has for a dead man. I had responded to a post of LGW 4/4 containing a quote of Rom 6:1-7. I only asked about verse 7 in my response. The above quoted post and 582 are exactly the same.

The first passage LGW posts is "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Contents of Rom 3:4 relates to a dead man. How?

The next one is - "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." What does a dead man know?

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

1 Jn 3:4 says nothing about a dead man or a relationship with the law. A dead man has no relationships.

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Seeing a dead man can do nothing, how can they transgress anything, much less the law? So there's nothing about a dead man again.

I've no idea how Ps 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. relates to a dead man.

1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. How does a dead man do this?

Prov 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. This sounds more like condemnation than anything a dead man can do.

1 Jn 3:3-10 reads the same way, just a little more hidden by volume of quote.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. This applies to a dead man? How does a dead man fulfil the lust of the flesh?

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Please carefully examine the above quote from Rom 8. Not only is this not about a dead man, it also explains why we're now delivered from the law in 7:6.

Not a single passage LGW referenced above has anything to do with a dead man.[/QUOTE]

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I wish only to respond to the following also found in post 582-This is a direct response to my question about the purpose the law has for a dead man. I had responded to a post of LGW 4/4 containing a quote of Rom 6:1-7. I only asked about verse 7 in my response. The above quoted post and 582 are exactly the same. The first passage LGW posts is "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Contents of Rom 3:4 relates to a dead man. How? The next one is - "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." What does a dead man know? Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

You are confused as your getting your posts mixed up. Here is the link to post # 582 click me which directly answered the question you were asking which was...

ace of hearts said: ↑ So if we're dead to sin, what purpose does the law have? Remember we don't sin because we're dead. Why does a dead person need the law?

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1 Jn 3:4 says nothing about a dead man or a relationship with the law. A dead man has no relationships. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Seeing a dead man can do nothing, how can they transgress anything, much less the law? So there's nothing about a dead man again.

Your question was...

ace of hearts said: ↑ So if we're dead to sin, what purpose does the law have? Remember we don't sin because we're dead. Why does a dead person need the law?

It's one of the scriptures that describes the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments) which was your question you asked.

I've no idea how Ps 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. relates to a dead man.

Ditto. Your question was...

ace of hearts said: ↑ So if we're dead to sin, what purpose does the law have? Remember we don't sin because we're dead. Why does a dead person need the law?

It's one of the scriptures that describes the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments) which was your question you asked.

1 Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. How does a dead man do this?

Ditto. Your question was...

ace of hearts said: ↑ So if we're dead to sin, what purpose does the law have? Remember we don't sin because we're dead. Why does a dead person need the law?

The purpose of God's LAW is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is and to to bring us to Christ in repentance for sin seeking God's forgiveness by Faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25.

Prov 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. This sounds more like condemnation than anything a dead man can do.

Not at all. The fear of the Lord is the beggining of wisdom to depart from Evil *PSALMS 111:110; PSALMS 28:28. It is a fearul thing to fall into the hands of the living God by continuing in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN *HEBREWS 10:26-31.

1 Jn 3:3-10 reads the same way, just a little more hidden by volume of quote.

Indeed it does it shows the purpose of God's LAW in the BORN AGAIN Christian who does not break God's Commandments also once again in answer to your question on the purpose of God's LAW.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. This applies to a dead man? How does a dead man fulfil the lust of the flesh?

Indeed it does. The dead man is the OLD CARNAL MAN of SIN which we have to die to be raised in NEWNESS of LIFE to walk in God's SPIRIT (married to another) in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Here you go... posted in the same post you left out of this post here.

You are confused. The husband represents the OLD MAN that is to die (sinful human nature) so that we might be married to Christ and not follow after SIN *ROMANS 6:6-7; ROMANS 7:1-3. We are dead to the law of sin and death that works in us (sinful human nature). *ROMANS 7:18-23.

ROMANS 7:4-5
[4], Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God. NOTE: The reference back to...

ROMANS 6:1-6
[1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3], Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5], For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6], Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin.
[7], For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Continuing with ROMANS 7:5 continues the thought from v4 that if we are not dead to sin and continue living in the flesh will bring forth the fruit unto death *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13

Sorry my friend perhaps you need to go back and re-read post # 582

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Please carefully examine the above quote from Rom 8. Not only is this not about a dead man, it also explains why we're now delivered from the law in 7:6. Not a single passage LGW referenced above has anything to do with a dead man.

You are confused. Here let's look at the scriptures and contrext...

ROMANS 8:1-15
[1] THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

NOTE: There is NOT CONDEMNATION TO THOSE IN CHRIST JESUS who have been resurrected from the dead by the body of Christ to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

NOTE: This is what is being spoken of in ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 7. WE have to die to the OLD MAN (Carnal mind; flesh). Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

NOTE: We cannot OBEY God's LAW by walking in the OLD MAN. This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

[4] THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

NOTE: Look to where this is all leading; We cannot OBEY God's LAW by walking in the OLD MAN. This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

NOTE: We cannot OBEY God's LAW by walking in the FLESH (OLD MAN; Old way of living). This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

[6] For to be CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

NOTE: The GREEK WORD used for CARNALLY is the SAME GREEK word used for FLESH * σάρξ; sarx G4561. This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

NOTE: The reason the OLD MAN has to die is because it cannot obey God's LAW. This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And IF CHRIST BE IN YOU THE BODY IS DEAD BECAUSE OF SIN; NUT THE SPIRIT IS LIFE BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

NOTE: We are to be DEAD TO SIN. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from the law od sin and death (OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature or OLD MAN/FLESH) to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead we are to walk in newness of life. ROMANS 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin.

[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

NOTE: This has already been explain in ROMANS 6:4-6 [4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so WE SHOULD WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE. [5], For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [6], Knowing this, THAT OUR OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM, THAT THE BODY OF SIN MIGHT BE DESTROYED, THAT FROM NOW ON WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN (Break God's Commandments)

[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

NOTE: Yep the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death alright in all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23

[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

NOTE: Yep we need to be BORN AGAIN to walk in God's SPIRIT. Whosoever is BORN of GOD does not practice sin (break any of God's 10 commandments) *1 JOHN 3:9

CONCLUSION: Sorry brother can you see your error here? God's WORD disagrees with you and there is a lot of it. Only sent in love as a help for you.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

OhWhat is my response concerning making Scripture disappear? Is it not commenting on every passage and reference in your posts?

That is the prblem as shown earlier your words are not God's WORD and you do not address the scriptures that disagree with you. You simply ignore the scriptures and the posts you are responding to in order to give your opinion not based on the scriptures you are quoting from. These are your word not God's.

Why when lots of them aren't related to the discussion and nothing but filler leading away from the passages I do mention and quote?

Yes this is your problem as shown earlier.

I notice verse 1 makes these points -A purpose - not to sin A provision for if we do What is interesting to me is you totally ignore the second item about provision in your examination. This isn't the first time either. Like I said then and now again, it appears to me you avoid Jesus. Yes people like you don't talk much about Jesus and what He did for us. Instead you talk about what we do. What Jesus told the man that asked what must I do, he doesn't and isn't willing to do. The same goes for you and your claim about keeping the law (famous 10). In that you by pass "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" When looking at the verse and continue with "3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments" you change the context and meaning by deleting half a verse.

Not at all the purpose of the earlier post was to show the context your your claims that 1 JOHN 2:3-4 was not talking about God's 10 commandments. v1-2 show CONTEXT of v3-4 and the purpose for writing the epistle of 1 JOHN was that WE SIN NOT!. The rest of the scriptures provided show that God's definition of SIN is breaking ANY ONE of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11 proving that the commandments being references in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is to God's 10 commandments proving your claims are in error because you did not look at the scripture context. You ignore the purpose of why the letter was written. It is that we SIN NOT (do not break any one of God's 10 commandments).

I think you mean know God the Father, not Jesus Christ the righteous with verse 3. What does the very same letter of John say in 3? 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. Clearly the commandment of God the Father is - That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. More proof for my idea is verse 24 about us (including Jesus) abiding in each other. John also says the same in his discussion about the vine quoting Jesus in Jn 15.

Here let's examine your claims again looking at the CONTEXT of the scriptures you leave out again.

Let's look at the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23.

1 JOHN 1:5-9
JOHN starts off his apistle of 1 JOHN in 1 JOHN 1:5-9 where he opens and says that if we do not walk in the light (truth) of God's WORD we are not following God where he finishes in v9 stating that if we CONFESS our sins then JESUS is faithful and just to forgive us for our sins and to CLEANSE us from all SIN.

We then move on to 1 JOHN 2 where JOHN gives us the reason for writting his epistle. Pay very close attention to why and the reason JOHN is writting this epistle in v1.

1 JOHN 2:1-4.
[1], MY LITTLE CHILDREN, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

NOTE: This is very important as it states the very reason why JOHN is writting the epistle of all of 1 JOHN and that is that WE SIN NOT!

[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. <Remember 1 JOHN 1:5-6 walking in light and darkness>

NOTE: Same theme being presented in v3-4 those who walk in darkness do not keep God's Commandments. God's people keep God's Commandments. The context is that we SIN NOT.
Now to show that we are talking about God's 10 commandments here we need to define from God's WORD what sin is as the reason for JOHNS epeistle is that we SIN not.

WHAT IS SIN?

NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.

Sin is indeed defined in God's WORD as breaking any of the 10 Commandments in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

NOTE: So now we see from God's WORD that sin is defined as the transgression of ANY of God's 10 Commandments. This links to 1 JOHN 2:1 which shows the reason for JOHN'S EPISTLE is that we SIN not (do not break God's Commandments) this is the context of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 so if SIN is defined in God's WORD as breaking Gods 10 commandments then the COMMANDMENTS spoken about in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is God's 10 Commandments.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

NOTE: Context is sin, in v1 that we sin not; God's WORD defines sin as breaking God's 10 Commandments then commandments being referred to here are the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20)

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SUMMARY SO FAR 1 JOHN 1 and 1 JOHN 2; Those who walk in darkness or do not follow the truth of God's WORD are not following God. The reason why JOHN is writing the Epistle of 1 JOHN is that we DO NOT SIN. God's WORD defines SIN as the breaking of ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is 1 JOHN 1:2 that we SIN NOT. Therefore the Commandments being spoken of in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is the 10 Commandments.

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Ok we have seen that the CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 1 and 2 and the reason why JOHN is writing this epistle is that we SIN NOT or do not break ANY of God's 10 Commandments. If we do sin we have an advocate with the farther. The commandments being discussed here are the 10 commandments which define what sin is. Let's continue on in 1 JOHN 3 where JOHN is continuing the same topic and thoughts as Chapter 1 and Chapter 2.

1 JOHN 3:3-15
[3], And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

NOTE: JOHN is continuing his theme; that we sin not or do not break any of God's 10 Commandments

[5], And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not [does not break God's 10 Commandments]: whosoever sins [breaks God's 10 Commandments] hath not seen him, neither known him

NOTE: v6 links to what JOHN says in 1 JOHN 2:3-4. v4 HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

NOTE: Righteousness is defined as not breaking God's Commandments *PSALMS 119:172

[8], He that commits sin [breaks God's 10 Commandments] is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[9], Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [does not knowingly break God's 10 Commandments]; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NOTE: The born again believer does not practice known sin or does not knowingly break any one of God's 10 Commandments.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This is the distinguishing point and shows who God's children are and the children of the devil. The children of God do not knowingly practice sin or keep God's 10 commandments. The Children of the devil practice sin or break any one of God's 10 Commandments. This also links back what JOHN says the the previous chapter in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. The same is outlined of the children of God in ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; REVELATION 12:17; REVALATION 14:12 and REVELATION 22:14.

[11], For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

NOTE: Because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and is why JESUS says ON THESE TWO great commandments of LOVE HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10.

[12], Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
[13], Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
[14], We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
[15], Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

NOTE: The context here is still that we sin not or break any of God's 10 Commandments. JOHN is using the example of Cain and Able and MURDER, which is Gods 6th commandment *EXODUS 20:13

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CONCLUSION: ALL the CONTEXT here is for 1 JOHN 1:23 which is talking about BELIEVING God's WORD and LOVE. The CONTEXT is that anyone who breaks any of God's 10 Commandments does not know GOD. This is the difference between the Children of God and the children of the devil.

In the next post we will see God's WORD teaches that that faith in God's WORD that works by LOVE as mentioned in 1 JOHN 3:23 whose context is not breaking any of God's 10 Commandment is expressed by not breaking God's 10 commandments.

 

[ace of hearts]

You are confused as your getting your posts mixed up. Here is the link to post # 582 click me which directly answered the question you were asking which was...

I don't think so. But you can say anything you want.

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Your question was...

No that was only the first question I asked. And I wasn't asking about the law as my second question you quote shows. Here's what I said -

So if we're dead to sin, what purpose does the law have? Remember we don't sin because we're dead. Why does a dead person need the law?

My response to your post is clearly about the effects of the law on a dead man as both of my questions indicate. Why you went on about is the purpose of the law is past me. Maybe it's only so you can claim you answered my post when in fact you just artfully dodged with "It's one of the scriptures that describes the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments) which was your question you asked." I included one of those by quote tags from your post below.

Ditto. Your question was... The purpose of God's LAW is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is and to to bring us to Christ in repentance for sin seeking God's forgiveness by Faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25.

What does Gal 5:22-25 have to do with your statement?

Not at all. The fear of the Lord is the beggining of wisdom to depart from Evil *PSALMS 111:110; PSALMS 28:28. It is a fearul thing to fall into the hands of the living God by continuing in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN *HEBREWS 10:26-31.

Indeed it does it shows the purpose of God's LAW in the BORN AGAIN Christian who does not break God's Commandments also once again in answer to your question on the purpose of God's LAW.

No because that's the job of the Holy Spirit in the Christian indicated to me by the "walk in the Spirit" phrases which are contrasted with living in the flesh (carnal nature). The famous 10 are about regulating the carnal body's performance. They don't provide life nor salvation. Rom 8 clearly brings this out.

Indeed it does. The dead man is the OLD CARNAL MAN of SIN which we have to die to be raised in NEWNESS of LIFE to walk in God's SPIRIT (married to another) in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

There are two distinct people involved in a marriage - husband and wife. The husband can't be a reference to those who are married to another husband dead or not. The husband (representing the law) died, not the wife who was obligated to that husband.

Here you go... posted in the same post you left out of this post here.

Why are you squawking about me not responding to everything in your post? You haven't yet responded to everything in my posts responding to your series of posts about Rom 7:6. I responded in detail about everything in them. You simply just re-posted them. Why I don't know because I fully quoted them in my response.

You are confused. The husband represents the OLD MAN that is to die (sinful human nature) so that we might be married to Christ and not follow after SIN *ROMANS 6:6-7; ROMANS 7:1-3. We are dead to the law of sin and death that works in us (sinful human nature). *ROMANS 7:18-23.

Not unless you have funny weird ideas about a marriage relationship. The husband isn't the wife who marries another.

ROMANS 7:4-5
[4], Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God. NOTE: The reference back to...

ROMANS 6:1-6
[1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3], Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5], For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6], Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin.
[7], For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Continuing with ROMANS 7:5 continues the thought from v4 that if we are not dead to sin and continue living in the flesh will bring forth the fruit unto death *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13

Your idea is walking by the law is walking by the Spirit, just like your idea the dead husband marries another is incorrect by indicating the husband and the wife are the same individual. What does Gal 5 say about those who have returned or turned to the law?

Sorry my friend perhaps you need to go back and re-read post # 582

No I did what I said I would do in my post.

 

[ace of hearts]

You are confused. Here let's look at the scriptures and contrext...

I read your whole post. What you preach by the volume of your posts is walking in the law. You seem to be now promoting walking by or in the Spirit means walking in the law.

ROMANS 8:1-15
[1] THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

Requiring the walking after the law is performance of the flesh a carnal activity. I think your deception is the fact you can point to your actual carnal body as living. So sad.

NOTE: There is NOT CONDEMNATION TO THOSE IN CHRIST JESUS who have been resurrected from the dead by the body of Christ to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

Why then do you condemn on a regular basis those who are in Christ Jesus? Now say you don't. Gal 5 says those who demand obedience to the law and have returned or turned to the law and Jesus isn't their Savior with these words - "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." By volume of your posts your condemnation of others for not keeping the famous 10 you do exactly that. You're walking in the law and being led by it, not the Spirit.

[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

You don't believe this. The proof is your volume of condemnation of others (Christians) for not keeping the law. The law (specifically the famous 10) operates the law of sin and death as Paul shows in Rom 7.

NOTE: This is what is being spoken of in ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 7. WE have to die to the OLD MAN (Carnal mind; flesh). Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

You still have us married to the dead husband (the law). You can quit your double speak confusion anytime with my blessings.

[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

NOTE: We cannot OBEY God's LAW by walking in the OLD MAN. This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

You need to consider what Paul says in Rom 7 and the provision John brings to light in 1 John.

[4] THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

NOTE: Look to where this is all leading; We cannot OBEY God's LAW by walking in the OLD MAN. This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

I think you quit reading after the words "THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US" in your quote because you require walking in the law. 1 Jn 1:9 stands in your way.

[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

NOTE: We cannot OBEY God's LAW by walking in the FLESH (OLD MAN; Old way of living). This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

We can't in our carnal body keep the law even after being in the Spirit (being born again) as Rom 7 and 1 Jn indicate.

[6] For to be CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

My but you have a serious problem. To keep the law is carnal mindedness. Your quote says it brings death. I think you've no idea what death is.

NOTE: The GREEK WORD used for CARNALLY is the SAME GREEK word used for FLESH * σάρξ; sarx G4561. This is why we need to die to be BORN AGAIN to walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE *1 JOHN 3:9. Being resurrected in CHRIST has freed us from OBEDIENCE to the sinful nature to walk in God's Spirit. Resurrected from the dead to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:3-7. Also, married to another ROMANS 7:4-5 by walking in Christs Spirit. The FLESH is the OLD MAN we are not to walk in ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:23

Why then do you require walking the same way in obedience to the famous 10? Walking in the Spirit isn't walking in the law. Gal 5:18 says -

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Your require obligation to the law which is being under its requirements.

 

[ace of hearts]

That is the prblem as shown earlier your words are not God's WORD and you do not address the scriptures that disagree with you. You simply ignore the scriptures and the posts you are responding to in order to give your opinion not based on the scriptures you are quoting from. These are your word not God's.

What exactly do you mean I ignore Scripture?

What Scriptures don't agree with me? The law doesn't apply to anyone participating in the NC. You require participating in the OC. No one can participate in both because they're opposed to each other.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't think so. But you can say anything you want.

Yes this was already shown to be the case with the scriptures shared with you. Please consider them.

No that was only the first question I asked. And I wasn't asking about the law as my second question you quote shows. Here's what I said -

So if we're dead to sin, what purpose does the law have? Remember we don't sin because we're dead. Why does a dead person need the law?

The scriptures provided answer both parts of your question. You are in denial.

My response to your post is clearly about the effects of the law on a dead man as both of my questions indicate. Why you went on about is the purpose of the law is past me.

You asked what the purpose of the law was. It has the same role and purpose if we are dead or alive and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS as the scriptures say in *ROMANS 3:30; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Maybe it's only so you can claim you answered my post when in fact you just artfully dodged with "It's one of the scriptures that describes the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments) which was your question you asked." I included one of those by quote tags from your post below.

Not at all. Maybe you did not like the answer provided from God's WORD that disagrees with you. It is God's WORD not mine so your arguing with God not me.

What does Gal 5:22-25 have to do with your statement?

LOVE fulfills and establishes God's LAW. This is shown in ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; GALATIANS 5:16 and ROMANS 8:4 which link to GALATIANS 5:22-25.

No because that's the job of the Holy Spirit in the Christian indicated to me by the "walk in the Spirit" phrases which are contrasted with living in the flesh (carnal nature). The famous 10 are about regulating the carnal body's performance. They don't provide life nor salvation. Rom 8 clearly brings this out.

Well that is not true. These are your words that have denied Gods WORD.

There are two distinct people involved in a marriage - husband and wife. The husband can't be a reference to those who are married to another husband dead or not. The husband (representing the law) died, not the wife who was obligated to that husband.

You are confused. God's Church is symbolic of the woman in ROMANS 7:1-4. The two men representing the law of sin and death (OLD MAN/the FLESH/ Carnal mind/Sinful nature) the law of the Spirit of Christ representing marriage to another.

The husband represents the OLD MAN that is to die (sinful human nature) so that we might be married to Christ and not follow after SIN *ROMANS 6:6-7; ROMANS 7:1-3. We are dead to the law of sin and death that works in us (sinful human nature). *ROMANS 7:18-23.

The scriptures you left out...

ROMANS 7:4-5
[4], Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God. NOTE: The reference back to...

ROMANS 6:1-6
[1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3], Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5], For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6], Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin.
[7], For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Continuing with ROMANS 7:5 continues the thought from v4 that if we are not dead to sin and continue living in the flesh will bring forth the fruit unto death *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13

Why are you squawking about me not responding to everything in your post? You haven't yet responded to everything in my posts responding to your series of posts about Rom 7:6. I responded in detail about everything in them. You simply just re-posted them. Why I don't know because I fully quoted them in my response.

I haven't needed to because you did not address anything in the series of posts made on ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 as stated earlier. You simply quoted my posts and did not address the contect and scriptures of the post you quoted but provided your own words not supported by scriptures or tried to provide strawman arguments no one was talking about in order to try to avoid the content of the post. For your interest however I have already responded to all those other posts you made but decided they did not need posting as you have not addressed the series of posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you. So nope you have quoted me but not addressed the scriptures and content that disagree with you. Quoting someone does not mean you have addressed what is being quoted which your posts provide a good example of.

Not unless you have funny weird ideas about a marriage relationship. The husband isn't the wife who marries another.

You are confused here. God's Church is symbolic of the woman in ROMANS 7:1-4; JEREMIAH 6:2; 2 CORINTHIANS 11:2; EPHESIANS 5:23-27. The first husband is the OLD MAN or SINFUL NATURE/FLESH/CARNAL MIND as shown in *ROMANS 6:6-7. The new man and married to another is Christ * ROMANS 6:8-12; ROMANS 7:3-4.

Your idea is walking by the law is walking by the Spirit, just like your idea the dead husband marries another is incorrect by indicating the husband and the wife are the same individual. What does Gal 5 say about those who have returned or turned to the law?No I did what I said I would do in my post.

You are confused here I have believe no such thing and have stated no such thing. If I do not believe or have I stated any such thing why try and make claims that I am not making?

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I read your whole post. What you preach by the volume of your posts is walking in the law. You seem to be now promoting walking by or in the Spirit means walking in the law.Requiring the walking after the law is performance of the flesh a carnal activity. I think your deception is the fact you can point to your actual carnal body as living. So sad.Why then do you condemn on a regular basis those who are in Christ Jesus? Now say you don't. Gal 5 says those who demand obedience to the law and have returned or turned to the law and Jesus isn't their Savior with these words - "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." By volume of your posts your condemnation of others for not keeping the famous 10 you do exactly that. You're walking in the law and being led by it, not the Spirit.You don't believe this. The proof is your volume of condemnation of others (Christians) for not keeping the law. The law (specifically the famous 10) operates the law of sin and death as Paul shows in Rom 7.You still have us married to the dead husband (the law). You can quit your double speak confusion anytime with my blessings.You need to consider what Paul says in Rom 7 and the provision John brings to light in 1 John.I think you quit reading after the words "THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US" in your quote because you require walking in the law. 1 Jn 1:9 stands in your way.We can't in our carnal body keep the law even after being in the Spirit (being born again) as Rom 7 and 1 Jn indicate.My but you have a serious problem. To keep the law is carnal mindedness. Your quote says it brings death. I think you've no idea what death is.Why then do you require walking the same way in obedience to the famous 10? Walking in the Spirit isn't walking in the law. Gal 5:18 says -

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Your require obligation to the law which is being under its requirements.

Thanks for posting this. It is a good example of what was posted you earlier showing that you quote what I have written without addressing any of the scriptures or content posted. It is simply more of your own Words in place of God's WORD, making claims no one is making (strawman arguments) without addressing the content of the post you are quoting from. These are God's WORD not mine so your argument is with God not me.

Here let me post the contrast again and the content you have not addressed.

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Here let's examine your claims again looking at the CONTEXT of the scriptures you leave out again.

Let's look at the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23.

1 JOHN 1:5-9
JOHN starts off his apistle of 1 JOHN in 1 JOHN 1:5-9 where he opens and says that if we do not walk in the light (truth) of God's WORD we are not following God where he finishes in v9 stating that if we CONFESS our sins then JESUS is faithful and just to forgive us for our sins and to CLEANSE us from all SIN.

We then move on to 1 JOHN 2 where JOHN gives us the reason for writting his epistle. Pay very close attention to why and the reason JOHN is writting this epistle in v1.

1 JOHN 2:1-4.
[1], MY LITTLE CHILDREN, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

NOTE: This is very important as it states the very reason why JOHN is writting the epistle of all of 1 JOHN and that is that WE SIN NOT!

[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. <Remember 1 JOHN 1:5-6 walking in light and darkness>

NOTE: Same theme being presented in v3-4 those who walk in darkness do not keep God's Commandments. God's people keep God's Commandments. The context is that we SIN NOT.
Now to show that we are talking about God's 10 commandments here we need to define from God's WORD what sin is as the reason for JOHNS epeistle is that we SIN not.

WHAT IS SIN?

NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.

Sin is indeed defined in God's WORD as breaking any of the 10 Commandments in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

NOTE: So now we see from God's WORD that sin is defined as the transgression of ANY of God's 10 Commandments. This links to 1 JOHN 2:1 which shows the reason for JOHN'S EPISTLE is that we SIN not (do not break God's Commandments) this is the context of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 so if SIN is defined in God's WORD as breaking Gods 10 commandments then the COMMANDMENTS spoken about in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is God's 10 Commandments.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

NOTE: Context is sin, in v1 that we sin not; God's WORD defines sin as breaking God's 10 Commandments then commandments being referred to here are the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20)

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SUMMARY SO FAR 1 JOHN 1 and 1 JOHN 2; Those who walk in darkness or do not follow the truth of God's WORD are not following God. The reason why JOHN is writing the Epistle of 1 JOHN is that we DO NOT SIN. God's WORD defines SIN as the breaking of ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is 1 JOHN 1:2 that we SIN NOT. Therefore the Commandments being spoken of in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is the 10 Commandments.

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Ok we have seen that the CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 1 and 2 and the reason why JOHN is writing this epistle is that we SIN NOT or do not break ANY of God's 10 Commandments. If we do sin we have an advocate with the farther. The commandments being discussed here are the 10 commandments which define what sin is. Let's continue on in 1 JOHN 3 where JOHN is continuing the same topic and thoughts as Chapter 1 and Chapter 2.

1 JOHN 3:3-15
[3], And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

NOTE: JOHN is continuing his theme; that we sin not or do not break any of God's 10 Commandments

[5], And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not [does not break God's 10 Commandments]: whosoever sins [breaks God's 10 Commandments] hath not seen him, neither known him

NOTE: v6 links to what JOHN says in 1 JOHN 2:3-4. v4 HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

NOTE: Righteousness is defined as not breaking God's Commandments *PSALMS 119:172

[8], He that commits sin [breaks God's 10 Commandments] is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[9], Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [does not knowingly break God's 10 Commandments]; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NOTE: The born again believer does not practice known sin or does not knowingly break any one of God's 10 Commandments.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This is the distinguishing point and shows who God's children are and the children of the devil. The children of God do not knowingly practice sin or keep God's 10 commandments. The Children of the devil practice sin or break any one of God's 10 Commandments. This also links back what JOHN says the the previous chapter in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. The same is outlined of the children of God in ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; REVELATION 12:17; REVALATION 14:12 and REVELATION 22:14.

[11], For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

NOTE: Because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and is why JESUS says ON THESE TWO great commandments of LOVE HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10.

[12], Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
[13], Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
[14], We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
[15], Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

NOTE: The context here is still that we sin not or break any of God's 10 Commandments. JOHN is using the example of Cain and Able and MURDER, which is Gods 6th commandment *EXODUS 20:13

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CONCLUSION: ALL the CONTEXT here is for 1 JOHN 1:23 which is talking about BELIEVING God's WORD and LOVE. The CONTEXT is that anyone who breaks any of God's 10 Commandments does not know GOD. This is the difference between the Children of God and the children of the devil.

In the next post we will see God's WORD teaches that that faith in God's WORD that works by LOVE as mentioned in 1 JOHN 3:23 whose context is not breaking any of God's 10 Commandment is expressed by not breaking God's 10 commandments.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What exactly do you mean I ignore Scripture? What Scriptures don't agree with me? The law doesn't apply to anyone participating in the NC. You require participating in the OC. No one can participate in both because they're opposed to each other.

Read the post you are trying to quote from.

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That is the problem as shown earlier your words are not God's WORD and you do not address the scriptures that disagree with you. You simply ignore the scriptures and the posts you are responding to in order to give your opinion not based on the scriptures you are quoting from. These are your word not God's.

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The rest of your post is simply your words stating things no one believes or has claimed or posted. If no one is posting what you are claiming why do you pretend that they are? I will leave the between you and God.

Hope this helps.

 

[ace of hearts]

Yes this was already shown to be the case with the scriptures shared with you. Please consider them.



The scriptures provided answer both parts of your question. You are in denial.



You asked what the purpose of the law was. It has the same role and purpose if we are dead or alive and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS as the scriptures say in *ROMANS 3:30; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

No. What I asked is -

So if we're dead to sin, what purpose does the law have? Remember we don't sin because we're dead. Why does a dead person need the law?

What you've responded to is what purpose does the law have? That's clearly not what I asked. You've chosen to misquoted me with a partial sentence.

Since a dead person knows nothing -

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

how is it you say they know the law (Law still has a purpose for them)? The dead know nothing including the law is the way I read the verse. The dead also don't hear anything. What do the dead do? Do they kill, lie, steal, commit adultery, etc.?

You still want to say the law has purpose for a dead man. Why? What can he do about it? What can he hear or learn from it? The answer to both is nothing. Read the verse Ecc 9:5.

Not at all. Maybe you did not like the answer provided from God's WORD that disagrees with you. It is God's WORD not mine so your arguing with God not me.



LOVE fulfills and establishes God's LAW. This is shown in ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; GALATIANS 5:16 and ROMANS 8:4 which link to GALATIANS 5:22-25.



Well that is not true. These are your words that have denied Gods WORD.

It's not true that we are led by the Spirit, not the law? You're puttin' us on a wee bit I'd say.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

You're verse - 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

You say and promote walking in the law.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

My emphasis didn't change one single word of the above passages.

You are confused. God's Church is symbolic of the woman in ROMANS 7:1-4. The two men representing the law of sin and death (OLD MAN/the FLESH/ Carnal mind/Sinful nature) the law of the Spirit of Christ representing marriage to another.

Now you're talking about two men. What two men are you talking about? I read only a husband and wife. The husband died and so did his law. The wife or ex wife is now legally free to marry another man - Christ taking upon herself His law. Problem for you is your belief Jesus issued the law. That doesn't line up with Scripture.

LK 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

No Lk 16:17 doesn't invalidate verse 16 like you want.

Jn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Not one of the above passages are my words. They're Scripture.

The husband represents the OLD MAN that is to die (sinful human nature) so that we might be married to Christ and not follow after SIN *ROMANS 6:6-7; ROMANS 7:1-3. We are dead to the law of sin and death that works in us (sinful human nature). *ROMANS 7:18-23.

The scriptures you left out...

ROMANS 7:4-5
[4], Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God. NOTE: The reference back to...

I'm in full agreement with made dead to the law through the body of Christ. You?

ROMANS 6:1-6
[1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3], Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Yes we're to walk in newness of life. You take this to mean we're to walk in the law. Paul shows this law to be the famous 10 in 7:7 and calls it the law of sin and death. Paul also says the law is the ministration of death in 2 Cor 3.

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

[5], For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6], Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin.
[7], For he that is dead is freed from sin.

It's verse 7 that was my first response to your above quote of Rom 6:1-6. A dead man transgresses nothing - the reason the law was added for a period of time - Gal 3:19. You can't escape this. It's Scripture already quoted above.

Continuing with ROMANS 7:5 continues the thought from v4 that if we are not dead to sin and continue living in the flesh will bring forth the fruit unto death *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13

Yes all those who claim to keep the law and don't bring forth fruit unto death. Remember I don't claim obedience to the covenant of the law (famous 10).

I haven't needed to because you did not address anything in the series of posts made on ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 as stated earlier. You simply quoted my posts and did not address the contect and scriptures of the post you quoted but provided your own words not supported by scriptures or tried to provide strawman arguments no one was talking about in order to try to avoid the content of the post. For your interest however I have already responded to all those other posts you made but decided they did not need posting as you have not addressed the series of posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you. So nope you have quoted me but not addressed the scriptures and content that disagree with you. Quoting someone does not mean you have addressed what is being quoted which your posts provide a good example of.

What is this in these links below if it's not a response to the above posts?

Why is the day of worship controversial?
Why is the day of worship controversial?
Why is the day of worship controversial?
Why is the day of worship controversial?
Why is the day of worship controversial?
Now I didn't cover Rom 6:1-6 of your long posts. However I did ask you about verse 6:7 you included. So I responded to 6:1-6 here:Why is the day of worship controversial?
Now when are you going to quit goading me about these responses not having been done and respond to every thing I posted? Probably never.

You are confused here. God's Church is symbolic of the woman in ROMANS 7:1-4; JEREMIAH 6:2; 2 CORINTHIANS 11:2; EPHESIANS 5:23-27. The first husband is the OLD MAN or SINFUL NATURE/FLESH/CARNAL MIND as shown in *ROMANS 6:6-7. The new man and married to another is Christ * ROMANS 6:8-12; ROMANS 7:3-4.

Since you say I'm confused, who is or what makes up the church? You want to talk about the church collectively avoiding the individual so you can claim the individual is the husband. Paul is clearly talking about the individual in Rom 6-8. You're making a false confusion. Remember I said I lived in the city and had many cult members knock on my door and even chatted with them. You're doing exactly the same thing they were.

You are confused here I have believe no such thing and have stated no such thing. If I do not believe or have I stated any such thing why try and make claims that I am not making?

Hope this helps.

You continually promote obedience to the law. That's walking by the law. I made no false accusation. I read most all your posts. You can't hide here very well because most of your posts are quoted by someone.

 

[ace of hearts]

Thanks for posting this. It is a good example of what was posted you earlier showing that you quote what I have written without addressing any of the scriptures or content posted. It is simply more of your own Words in place of God's WORD, making claims no one is making (strawman arguments) without addressing the content of the post you are quoting from. These are God's WORD not mine so your argument is with God not me.

I quote Scripture you never respond to. The Scripture I quote shows why I said what I said. If you want to prove them wrong parse them out or post error because .... Your commentary backed by Scripture is required to convince me. What ever they are can't invalidate other Scriptures of the NT. Don't quote from any Book of Christian Scripture you don't believe to be Scripture. Don't say pagans are being addressed when a book (letter) is written to "the church of God which is at _______, with all the saints..." None of those qualify as pagans.

Here let me post the contrast again and the content you have not addressed.

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Here let's examine your claims again looking at the CONTEXT of the scriptures you leave out again.

Let's look at the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23.

1 JOHN 1:5-9
JOHN starts off his apistle of 1 JOHN in 1 JOHN 1:5-9 where he opens and says that if we do not walk in the light (truth) of God's WORD we are not following God where he finishes in v9 stating that if we CONFESS our sins then JESUS is faithful and just to forgive us for our sins and to CLEANSE us from all SIN.

We then move on to 1 JOHN 2 where JOHN gives us the reason for writting his epistle. Pay very close attention to why and the reason JOHN is writting this epistle in v1.

1 JOHN 2:1-4.
[1], MY LITTLE CHILDREN, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

NOTE: This is very important as it states the very reason why JOHN is writting the epistle of all of 1 JOHN and that is that WE SIN NOT!

[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. <Remember 1 JOHN 1:5-6 walking in light and darkness>

NOTE: Same theme being presented in v3-4 those who walk in darkness do not keep God's Commandments. God's people keep God's Commandments. The context is that we SIN NOT.
Now to show that we are talking about God's 10 commandments here we need to define from God's WORD what sin is as the reason for JOHNS epeistle is that we SIN not.

Again I notice you once more by-pass Jesus Christ the Righteous. Then you move on and talk about commandments that aren't those of Jesus as you've been shown with quotes from the works of John. What you're doing is twisting the Scripture into something it isn't. I fully understand you'll say that's a false accusation. OK by me, which doesn't mean I confess to that.

If you don't understand what I say, ask. Don't tell me I'm wrong without explaining why. When you post something about commandments - state exactly what commandments you're talking about. I know your doctrine. I've chatted a long time with individual SDA people in real life. I have some of their works in my personal library as gifts from them. You don't want me to start quoting them.

WHAT IS SIN?

We don't need to go into what sin is again.

NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

You can squawk all you want, but I learned not to covet things that weren't mine or lie thru punishment by my unchurched parents who didn't tell me about what the Bible says. Yes it's true I learned later in life that was sin. Whatever title you want to put on it it was wicked/evil. Yes I learned that evil separates one from God. That had no part in my conversion. Yes I repented of evil. At no time in my entire life have I ever been convicted of or prompted (made desire) to keep the 4th commandment. Your church teaches I'm not a Christian having been made aware of the 4th commandment since I don't keep it. BTW neither do you.

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

The verse doesn't say only and always. Since the covenant law has been set aside as promised by God through Jeremiah and testified by Jesus (God) to be current. I can't sin by not keeping the 4th commandment of the covenant law given exclusively to Israel as Moses says in Deut 5.

John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.

Sorry but I've already quoted the the Gospels to you. You fully reject them. God's Word (specifically the NT here) is in full agreement with itself in every respect. You pit the Gospels against themselves. You do your church and Christianity no favors.

Sin is indeed defined in God's WORD as breaking any of the 10 Commandments in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

NOTE: So now we see from God's WORD that sin is defined as the transgression of ANY of God's 10 Commandments. This links to 1 JOHN 2:1 which shows the reason for JOHN'S EPISTLE is that we SIN not (do not break God's Commandments) this is the context of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 so if SIN is defined in God's WORD as breaking Gods 10 commandments then the COMMANDMENTS spoken about in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is God's 10 Commandments.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

NOTE: Context is sin, in v1 that we sin not; God's WORD defines sin as breaking God's 10 Commandments then commandments being referred to here are the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20)

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SUMMARY SO FAR 1 JOHN 1 and 1 JOHN 2; Those who walk in darkness or do not follow the truth of God's WORD are not following God. The reason why JOHN is writing the Epistle of 1 JOHN is that we DO NOT SIN. God's WORD defines SIN as the breaking of ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is 1 JOHN 1:2 that we SIN NOT. Therefore the Commandments being spoken of in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is the 10 Commandments.

Maybe some day God will turn the light on for you. I told you before I don't follow blind men that you confessed you are. So you can badger me to your hearts content.

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Ok we have seen that the CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 1 and 2 and the reason why JOHN is writing this epistle is that we SIN NOT or do not break ANY of God's 10 Commandments. If we do sin we have an advocate with the farther. The commandments being discussed here are the 10 commandments which define what sin is. Let's continue on in 1 JOHN 3 where JOHN is continuing the same topic and thoughts as Chapter 1 and Chapter 2.

1 JOHN 3:3-15
[3], And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

NOTE: JOHN is continuing his theme; that we sin not or do not break any of God's 10 Commandments

[5], And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not [does not break God's 10 Commandments]: whosoever sins [breaks God's 10 Commandments] hath not seen him, neither known him

NOTE: v6 links to what JOHN says in 1 JOHN 2:3-4. v4 HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

NOTE: Righteousness is defined as not breaking God's Commandments *PSALMS 119:172

[8], He that commits sin [breaks God's 10 Commandments] is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[9], Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [does not knowingly break God's 10 Commandments]; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I don't care if you call me a devil abusing Scripture to do so. That's on you, not me.

NOTE: The born again believer does not practice known sin or does not knowingly break any one of God's 10 Commandments.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

ditto

IMPORTANT NOTE: This is the distinguishing point and shows who God's children are and the children of the devil. The children of God do not knowingly practice sin or keep God's 10 commandments. The Children of the devil practice sin or break any one of God's 10 Commandments. This also links back what JOHN says the the previous chapter in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. The same is outlined of the children of God in ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; REVELATION 12:17; REVALATION 14:12 and REVELATION 22:14.

Gloat all you want. Doesn't bother me. Neither does your fearmongering. BTW you can't buy God off.

[11], For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

NOTE: Because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and is why JESUS says ON THESE TWO great commandments of LOVE HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10.

[12], Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
[13], Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
[14], We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
[15], Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

NOTE: The context here is still that we sin not or break any of God's 10 Commandments. JOHN is using the example of Cain and Able and MURDER, which is Gods 6th commandment *EXODUS 20:13

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CONCLUSION: ALL the CONTEXT here is for 1 JOHN 1:23 which is talking about BELIEVING God's WORD and LOVE. The CONTEXT is that anyone who breaks any of God's 10 Commandments does not know GOD. This is the difference between the Children of God and the children of the devil.

In the next post we will see God's WORD teaches that that faith in God's WORD that works by LOVE as mentioned in 1 JOHN 3:23 whose context is not breaking any of God's 10 Commandment is expressed by not breaking God's 10 commandments.

Your conclusion is in error.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No. What I asked is - So if we're dead to sin, what purpose does the law have? Remember we don't sin because we're dead. Why does a dead person need the law? What you've responded to is what purpose does the law have? That's clearly not what I asked. You've chosen to misquoted me with a partial sentence. Since a dead person knows nothing - Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

You are still confused, that is the question that was resoponded to with God's WORD. God's LAW (10 Commandments) has the same role it always has and that role does not change. God's LAW (10 Commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. The only thing that is no longer for the dead man is what has been provided in

ROMANS 8:1-4
[1], There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2], For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

FORGIVENESS by FAITH in God's WORD means we are not longer guilty before God of SIN (breaking God's LAW)

ROMANS 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter

links to these scriptures you keep ignoring...

ROMANS 6:1-6
[1], What shall we say then? SHALL WE SIN [break God's LAW], that grace may abound?
[2], GOD FORBID. HOW SHALL WE THAT ARE DEAD TO SIN [breaking God's LAW], LIVE ANY LONGER THERE IN?
[3], KNOWN YOU NOT THAT AS MANY OF US THAT WERE BAPTISED INTO JESUS CHRIST WERE BAPTISED INTO HIS DEATH?
[4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even SO WE SHOULD WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE.
[5], For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6], KNOWING THIS THAT OUR OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM THAT THE BODY OF SIN [break God's LAW] MIGHT BE DESTROYED THAT WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN [break God's LAW].

ROMANS 6:10-16
[10], For in that he died, he died to sin once: but in that he lives, he lives to God.
[11], LIKEWISE RECKON YOU ALSO TO BE DEAD INDEED TO SIN [breaking God's LAW], BUT ALIVE TO GOD THROUGH OUT LORD JESUS CHRIST.
[12], LET NO SIN [breaking God's LAW] REIGN IN YOUR MORTAL BODY , that you should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13], Neither yield you your members as instruments of UNRIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO SIN [breaking God's LAW]: BUT YEILD YOURSELF TO GOD AS THOSE THAT ARE ALIVE FROM THE DEAD, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
[14], For SIN [breaking God's LAW] SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU: for you are not under the law, but under grace.
[15], What then? SHALL WE SIN [breaking God's LAW], because we are not under the law, but under grace? GOD FORBID.
[16], Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of SIN [breaking God's LAW] UNTO DEATH, or of obedience to righteousness?

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ROMANS 7:1-5
[1], Know you not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?

NOTE: Same thoughts explained in Romans 6 but Romans 7 using the example of marriage
6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life. 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin. 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

[2], For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband dies, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

NOTE: What does the husband represent that dies? 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

[3], So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband dies, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she is married to another man.

NOTE: We cannot serve the flesh [G4561 sinful human nature] and serve the Spirit.

LUKE 16:13 [13], No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

[4], Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

NOTE: The law here is a reference to the bond of marriage continuing the topic of death and life in Christ. That is the OLD MAN of sin [Flesh G4561 sinful human nature] that is crucified is to die that we might serve in newness of life. 7v4 being dead to the law by the Body of Christ is the same as… 6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. The laws being discussed here are the law of the flesh [sinful human nature] and the law of the Spirit [walking by faith in God’s Word]. When one dies you are free to marry another.

[5], For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

NOTE: The flesh [G4561 sinful human nature] is the OLD MAN that must be crucified with Christ in order for us to be married to another [The Spirit] 6v5

ROMANS 8:1-4
[1], THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2], FOR THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS HAS MADE ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN [breaking God's Law] AND DEATH [Sins penalty - Romans 6:23].
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4], THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

ROMANS 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

CONCLUSION: This is what has changed when the OLD MAN OF SIN dies we are free to marry another (CHRIST) and walk in NEWNESS of LIVE to BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD. THOSE who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will die because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 8:13; HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's not true that we are led by the Spirit, not the law? You're puttin' us on a wee bit I'd say. Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. You're verse - 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. You say and promote walking in the law. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. My emphasis didn't change one single word of the above passages.

No one is walking in God's Spirit if they are breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments *GALATIANS 5:16 because they do not KNOW GOD *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be BORN AGAIN *JOHN 3:3-7. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Walking in God's Spirit means to be abiding in CHRIST. Those who ABIDE in CHRIST do not commit sin (break any one of God's 10 commandments) *1 JOHN 3:6-9

Now you're talking about two men. What two men are you talking about?

You have not been reading the posts and the scriptures provided for you have you. The answers have always been the same and the answer to your question you are asking is in the very post you are quoting from which says; God's Church is symbolic of the woman in ROMANS 7:1-4. The two men representing 1. the law of sin and death (OLD MAN/the FLESH/ Carnal mind/Sinful nature) and 2. the law of the Spirit of Christ representing marriage to another. If you need scriptures showing God's Church is represented as a Women just let me know?

Can you see your error here brother?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I read only a husband and wife. The husband died and so did his law.

You should read your bible more if that is the case. Let me post the scriptures for you.

ROMANS 7:1-5
[1], Know you not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?

NOTE: Same thoughts explained in Romans 6 but Romans 7 using the example of marriage
6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life. 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin. 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

[2], For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband dies, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

NOTE: What does the husband represent that dies? 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

[3], So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband dies, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she is married to another man.

NOTE: We cannot serve the flesh [G4561 sinful human nature] and serve the Spirit.

LUKE 16:13 [13], No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

[4], Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

NOTE: The law here is a reference to the bond of marriage continuing the topic of death and life in Christ. That is the OLD MAN of sin [Flesh G4561 sinful human nature] that is crucified is to die that we might serve in newness of life. 7v4 being dead to the law by the Body of Christ is the same as… 6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. The laws being discussed here are the law of the flesh [sinful human nature] and the law of the Spirit [walking by faith in God’s Word]. When one dies you are free to marry another.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LK 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
No Lk 16:17 doesn't invalidate verse 16 like you want.
Jn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Not one of the above passages are my words. They're Scripture.

I love the scriptures thanks for sharing them but as has been shown ealier through God's WORD when adding the context back into the scripture here, sadly, none of the scriptures support your interpretation of them.

I'm in full agreement with made dead to the law through the body of Christ. You?

Indeed but not how you interpret the scripture or part of scripture taken out of context to what it is referring to. The CONTEXT of v4 is the law of marriage and the death of the OLD MAN in order to be married to Christ. What do you think being dead to the law THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST MEANS in context of ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 7:1-5?

Yes we're to walk in newness of life. You take this to mean we're to walk in the law.

You are confused. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

Paul shows this law to be the famous 10 in 7:7 and calls it the law of sin and death.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

Nope it doesn't. Here you go look here...

[8], But SIN, taking occasion by the commandment, worked in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. [v7 No LAW no KNOWLEDGE of SIN]
[9], For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died [wages of sin is death - ROMANS 6:23].
[10], And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be to death [BECAUSE of SIN].
[11], For SIN, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
[12], Why the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[13], Was then that which is good made death to me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[14], For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[15], For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16], If then I do that which I would not, I consent to the law that it is good.
[17], Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[18], For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19], For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[20], Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[21], I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[22], For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23], But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[24], O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Not really going your way at all now is it. Can you see your error here brother?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Paul also says the law is the ministration of death in 2 Cor 3. 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

2 COR 3 is the process of conversion like ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8. The letter killeth because it reveals SIN and shows us that we are all SINNERS and the WAGES of SIN is death *ROMANS 6:23. It leads us to CHRIST so that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH *GALATIANS 3:22-25; ROMANS 8:1-4

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

It's verse 7 that was my first response to your above quote of Rom 6:1-6. A dead man transgresses nothing - the reason the law was added for a period of time - Gal 3:19. You can't escape this. It's Scripture already quoted above.

I do not need to escape anything I only provide you with God's WORD and it disagrees with you.
Your arguing against God's WORD not mine in the quote you are referring to from

ROMANS 6:5-7
[5], For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6], Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin.
[7], For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Who is the OLD MAN here and what is being destroyed?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes all those who claim to keep the law and don't bring forth fruit unto death. Remember I don't claim obedience to the covenant of the law (famous 10).

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

What is this in these links below if it's not a response to the above posts? Why is the day of worship controversial? Why is the day of worship controversial? Why is the day of worship controversial? Why is the day of worship controversial?
Why is the day of worship controversial?

They are a good example of what I was sharing with you earlier why I haven't needed respond to those posts of your because you did not address anything in the series of posts made on ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 as stated earlier (e.g. Romans 7:6 (1); Romans 7:6 (2); Romans 7:6 (3); Romans 7:6 (4)) You simply quoted my posts and did not address the contect and scriptures of the post you quoted but provided your own words not supported by scriptures or tried to provide strawman arguments no one was talking about in order to try to avoid the content of the post. For your interest however I have already responded to all those other posts you made but decided they did not need posting as you have not addressed the series of posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you. So nope you have quoted me but not addressed the scriptures and content that disagree with you. Quoting someone does not mean you have addressed what is being quoted which your posts provide a good example of.

Since you say I'm confused, who is or what makes up the church? You want to talk about the church collectively avoiding the individual so you can claim the individual is the husband. Paul is clearly talking about the individual in Rom 6-8. You're making a false confusion.

It is the individuals collectively that make up the Church. The Church in God's WORD represents at women who is either faithful or unfaithful to God's WORD *JEREMIAH 6:2; 2 CORINTHIANS 11:2; EPHESIANS 5:23-27; EZEKIEL. 16:15-58; 23:2-21; HOSEA. 2:5; 3:1; REVELATION. 14:4. God's Church (individuals that collectively make of the Church) represent a faithful bride. Christ represents the husband and the bridegroom. This is represented in ROMANS 7:1-5. Before we come to Christ we are dead in tresspasses and SIN (OLD MAN) when the OLD MAN dies we are free to marry another CHRIST. If the OLD MAN has been crucified so will the body of sin so we no longer serve sin. If we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection. For he that is dead is freed from sin *ROMANS 6:6-7.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Remember I said I lived in the city and had many cult members knock on my door and even chatted with them. You're doing exactly the same thing they were.

These are your own words. You have been provided God's WORD and you disagree with it. So your argument is with God not me. Remember the scriptures also teach the religious leaders of the day called JESUS of the devil and his followers also a cult. Jesus said this will be the lot of all those who follow him.

You continually promote obedience to the law. That's walking by the law. I made no false accusation. I read most all your posts. You can't hide here very well because most of your posts are quoted by someone.

Not at all. I hide in God's WORD. We are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

God's LAW (10 Commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments *EXODUS 20:8-11 that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. If we break ANY ONE of them we stand guilty before GOD of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11 and unless we seek JESUS in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the judgment *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-27; JAMES 2:8-12.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Hope this helps.