No Compromise at the Border.

[Speedwell]

If they overstay their visas; then they should get deported or voluntarily removed ( another option for those who have otherwise followed the law and have money to leave the country on their own. This means they will not have the bar imposed on them where they cannot come back for ten years.

So your objection is not to anchor babies as such, but to poor brown Roman Catholic anchor babies?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If they overstay their visas; then they should get deported or voluntarily removed ( another option for those who have otherwise followed the law and have money to leave the country on their own. This means they will not have the bar imposed on them where they cannot come back for ten years.

Pregnant women should only be given visas that expire before their due date.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Just saying that if the EMPLOYER takes away the paycheck and the EMPLOYEE cannot afford childcare then it isn't really a "right" thing for the Employer to FURTHER punish the employee.

Unless we as Americans think a TSA job is more important than their children.

THESE aren't the people to punish. The millionaires who have helped bring this situation about who don't NEED the money are the ones who need to have their monies docked to pay for this stuff.

They are not being docked ( unless they choose not to show up to work which does not do them any good because they are being docked. They simply will have a larger pay check when the government reopens, but if they do not go into wok at all then one they do not deserve pay for those days and two they deserve to be canned ( which means they still will not have money coming in.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Is that how Kruschev sold the Berlin Wall?

It made sense to him.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So your objection is not to anchor babies as such, but to poor brown Roman Catholic anchor babies?

no my objection is if you come here illegally or overstay your legal authority then you need to leave. I do not care what color you are why you came or anything like that. You may choose to either take your children with you OR put them in the custody of the state or another LEGAL resident.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Pregnant women should only be given visas that expire before their due date.

but not everyone who intends to have a baby shows up pregnant. Moreover, some visas are for a time to complete a certain task such as go to school or work a seasonal or otherwise temp. job.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So your objection is not to anchor babies as such, but to poor brown Roman Catholic anchor babies?

Latinos are leaving the RCC in droves, mainly because of the restrictive rules that they want to be free of once they get here. This is evidenced by the high abortion rates among Latinas in America, in spite of the fact that they are more pro-life than we are, due mainly to their Catholic heritage.

In fact many may want to come here to escape the restrictions of the RCC more than any other reason. It's a way to make a clean break.

 

[Speedwell]

no my objection is if you come here illegally or overstay your legal authority then you need to leave. I do not care what color you are why you came or anything like that. You may choose to either take your children with you OR put them in the custody of the state or another LEGAL resident.

So then why do you champion the President's "immigration policy" which apparently applies only to poor latino peasants who walk in?

 

[dogs4thewin]

So then why do you champion the President's "immigration policy" which apparently applies only to poor latino peasants who walk in?

I can support that, but that does not mean I do not also support other means of immigration reform.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

but not everyone who intends to have a baby shows up pregnant. Moreover, some visas are for a time to complete a certain task such as go to school or work a seasonal or otherwise temp. job.

No problem, just send them home when their child is due. They can come back and finish when they have recovered. We'll even pay their air fare.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

They are not being docked ( unless they choose not to show up to work which does not do them any good because they are being docked.

Are we to then assume these slackers should leave toddlers at home or jump turnstyles on the subway to get to work? Just curious how much punishment we should put them under.

They simply will have a larger pay check when the government reopens,

Remember these people are NOT the millionaires at the top. Like many US people they live paycheck to paycheck.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Are we to then assume these slackers should leave toddlers at home or jump turnstyles on the subway to get to work? Just curious how much punishment we should put them under.



Remember these people are NOT the millionaires at the top. Like many US people they live paycheck to paycheck.

I am not saying that people always have poor money management, but in many cases the people who live paycheck to paycheck have not managed their money well in the good times, so when stuff goes downhill they have a tough times.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

I am not saying that people always have poor money management, but in many cases the people who live paycheck to paycheck have not managed their money well in the good times, so when stuff goes downhill they have a tough times.

OK, just so long as we place blame on the people who have had their paycheck withheld by the actions of millionaires.

Got it.

The whole Conservative approach of blaming the poor for their poverty is really helpful, especially when it can be expanded so broadly that ultimately the ONLY people who never have to take responsibility for anything are millionaires!

 

[dogs4thewin]

OK, just so long as we place blame on the people who have had their paycheck withheld by the actions of millionaires.

Got it.

The whole Conservative approach of blaming the poor for their poverty is really helpful, especially when it can be expanded so broadly that ultimately the ONLY people who never have to take responsibility for anything are millionaires!

I did not say this is the case for EVERY SINGLE person.

 

[Speedwell]

I did not say this is the case for EVERY SINGLE person.

But it is clear that you have no empathy for any of them.

 

[dogs4thewin]

But it is clear that you have no empathy for any of them.

I just feel that people should do all they can to prepare for the tough times, so if you are living paycheck to paycheck then maybe they are not preparing when they can.

 

[Speedwell]

I just feel that people should do all they can to prepare for the tough times, so if you are living paycheck to paycheck then maybe they are not preparing when they can.

Serves them right, then. They should be prepared to make such sacrifices to protect you from the evil alien hordes storming our southern border.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Serves them right, then. They should be prepared to make such sacrifices to protect you from the evil alien hordes storming our southern border.

I do not consider expecting people to be prepared to make me evil.

 

[Speedwell]

I do not consider expecting people to be prepared to make me evil.

Expecting them to be prepared on your behalf is not evil, just selfish. Yes, people should try not to live paycheck to paycheck. Families can run into trouble that way.

In this case, the trouble is being imposed on them by people like you who demand an expensive ineffective solution to an imaginary problem.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Expecting them to be prepared on your behalf is not evil, just selfish. Yes, people should try not to live paycheck to paycheck. Families can run into trouble that way.

In this case, the trouble is being imposed on them by people like you who demand an expensive ineffective solution to an imaginary problem.

What is so selfish about wanting people to be prepared?