No Compromise at the Border.

[OldWiseGuy]

And we got a large chunk of the Midwest when Napoleon said something to the effect of "We're going to take over England...and America's going to pay for it."

The French sold us the Louisiana Purchase because they saw the writing on the wall. Sadly the writing on the 'wall' is sending mixed messages to Mexico.

 

[dogs4thewin]

How long before unpaid workers walk off the job? How long before furloughed workers begin marching with the unpaid that walk off the job? How long before GOP legislators get fed up with he who shall not be named? How long before Congress gives him a funding bill that is veto proof?

These questions and more on the next episode of Pence for President

As for certain workers they will receive backpay. As for veto proof we shall see, but they would have to want it pretty badly.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Walls do a great job at stopping planes and overstayed visas.

Well, they do not, but there are other ways to fix that, but a wall will at least keep those who can walk out. Remember, if someone has money to fly he or she probably has money to support himself or herself. Not that that makes it right. Also, such people may be less likely to have children just to stay here.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Nothing is free. Nothing good is ever free. However, i believe the poor should have free healthcare. But if one wants good HC, they better pay for it. Facts of life.

This is not a healthcare thread, but thank you. NOTHING is free facts of life. Nor, is life fair.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And making less demands upon soldiers to harm humans..

Demands upon our soldiers to kill humans? First of all, the threat would prevent some from crossing, but secondly currently we have no mandate to serve if you feel that strongly about it then do not join. Even though, I feel that people who are not WILLING to join do not deserve the freedom that it provides, but that is for another thread

 

[Speedwell]

Demands upon our soldiers to kill humans? First of all, the threat would prevent some from crossing, but secondly currently we have no mandate to serve if you feel that strongly about it then do not join. Even though, I feel that people who are not WILLING to join do not deserve the freedom that it provides, but that is for another thread

The prospect of having to shoot unarmed civilian, men women and children to prevent them from trying to claim asylum ought to discourage any decent person from joining the army.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

If Mexico is smart they will build the wall, on Mexico's side of the border.

Why?

 

[Speedwell]

Well, they do not, but there are other ways to fix that, but a wall will at least keep those who can walk out. Remember, if someone has money to fly he or she probably has money to support himself or herself. Not that that makes it right. Also, such people may be less likely to have children just to stay here.

So how do you feel about the 40,000 or so rich Asian women who come here every year to have "anchor babies?"

 

[dogs4thewin]

The prospect of having to shoot unarmed civilian, men women and children to prevent them from trying to claim asylum ought to discourage any decent person from joining the army.

Then do not try to come here by just walking across the border.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Except that they will get backpay, so in that sense they are not working without pay, but if they choose not to work they do not deserve back pay.

The reason many of them are calling in sick is not necessarily as a protest but because they can't afford childcare type expenses without constantly incoming money.

Only the millionaires in government (Trump, DeVos et al.) can go very long without money from their work.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So how do you feel about the 40,000 or so rich Asian women who come here every year to have "anchor babies?"

I feel the same way about them as I feel about anyone else that does that they need to be deported and either take the child with them or put them in the care of the state or a legal resident.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

A great big ugly wall sends a better message: Don't even try it!

That's the best metaphor for America: "big ugly wall, go away"

 

[dogs4thewin]

The reason many of them are calling in sick is not necessarily as a protest but because they can't afford childcare type expenses without constantly incoming money.

Only the millionaires in government (Trump, DeVos et al.) can go very long without money from their work.

You do not work call in sick for any other reason besides your or your children's illness r take vacation time ( paid or not) you do not get paid.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's the best metaphor for America: "big ugly wall, go away"

Or come in through the legal doorway. These people saw the decline of their own countries over a period of many years. They can wait a few months more and enter the U.S. legally (if indeed they qualify).

 

[Speedwell]

I feel the same way about them as I feel about anyone else that does that they need to be deported and either take the child with them or put them in the care of the state or a legal resident.

Those women come here legally on tourist visas to have their babies. On what grounds would you deport them?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Or come in through the legal doorway. These people saw the decline of their own countries over a period of many years. They can wait a few months more and enter the U.S. legally (if indeed they qualify).

There are legal ways to come here use them or expect to be deported.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Those women come here legally on tourist visas to have their babies. On what grounds would you deport them?

If they overstay their visas; then they should get deported or voluntarily removed ( another option for those who have otherwise followed the law and have money to leave the country on their own. This means they will not have the bar imposed on them where they cannot come back for ten years.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Why?

It will greatly improve relations between them and us. It should be a collaborative effort. The barrier should be built where it makes the most sense, whether here or there.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

You do not work call in sick for any other reason besides your or your children's illness r take vacation time ( paid or not) you do not get paid.

Just saying that if the EMPLOYER takes away the paycheck and the EMPLOYEE cannot afford childcare then it isn't really a "right" thing for the Employer to FURTHER punish the employee.

Unless we as Americans think a TSA job is more important than their children.

THESE aren't the people to punish. The millionaires who have helped bring this situation about who don't NEED the money are the ones who need to have their monies docked to pay for this stuff.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

It will greatly improve relations between them and us. It should be a collaborative effort. The barrier should be built where it makes the most sense, whether here or there.

Is that how Kruschev sold the Berlin Wall?