Why is the day of worship controversial?

[ace of hearts]

Nope. Break one you break them all. Neither is it to be ignored because it is inconvenient. It is the only one that God says to remember and the only one everyone wants to forget. And it is the only one that states that God is the creator of all and that He blessed and sanctified that one particular day. No one would even consider that you can be unrepentant killer and get into heaven but that you can break the 4th is not considered a problem. There are 10--not 9.

How do you establish the famous 10 are for everyone?

 

[ace of hearts]

Indeed that is what I have been sharing with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

So why are you referencing Rom 3:4?

 

[ace of hearts]

What do you need explained? The scriptures are very clear. The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the OLD COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was however, how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

That isn't clear by my post? You must be putting me on. The truth is you must avoid that verse like the plague. It's a death sentence to your position.

 

[ace of hearts]

ALL the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 are fulfilled in Christ and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Yes and the sabbath is a physical type of a spiritual issue. God said they would never enter His rest, yet they kept the physical 7th day.

 

[mmksparbud]

How do you establish the famous 10 are for everyone?

No--not for everyone---just for certain ones:

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Just for those that want access to the tree of life and to enter into the New Jerusalem.

 

[ace of hearts]

The question I asked was not about the Sabbath.
"So you do not believe that God has written His law in our hearts now?"

Is the 4th commandment what you're talking about? If so isn't it included in the famous 10 called the law - even the Law of Moses?

A new covenant which states
"Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

So again I ask--do you then not believe this statement either? You say you believe Jeremiah tossed out the old covenant--replaced it with a new one yet you say that the new covenant is not that the law is written in our hearts, but that is what Jeremiah said--?????

No I don't accept your partial sentence quote as the full truth. Verse 32 (the middle part of the sentence in the KJV) must be included for the truth. Otherwise you make God's Word say something it doesn't. Don't you know that's a violation of the famous 10? Oh wait it's OK to misrepresent something.

If the new covenant says the law is written in the heart--but it is rejected--then are they rejecting Jesus?

It doesn't say the covenant given to their fathers which is Deut 4:13 is written on the heart.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nothing they have not all already stated.
Will you be answering post #423?

Sorry if I missed it. I try very hard to get them all and sometimes get a few twice.

 

[ace of hearts]

No--not for everyone---just for certain ones:

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Just for those that want access to the tree of life and to enter into the New Jerusalem.

You can't buy or obligate God a true sovereign.

 

[mmksparbud]

Is the 4th commandment what you're talking about? If so isn't it included in the famous 10 called the law - even the Law of Moses?No I don't accept your partial sentence quote as the full truth. Verse 32 (the middle part of the sentence in the KJV) must be included for the truth. Otherwise you make God's Word say something it doesn't. Don't you know that's a violation of the famous 10? Oh wait it's OK to misrepresent something.It doesn't say the covenant given to their fathers which is Deut 4:13 is written on the heart.

So you do deny the fact that the new covenant is that the law is written in the heart?

Here you are:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
"Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

How does this change what the new covenant says which is: I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

You have said this yourself--it is written in the heart today, not on stone you said. So now you don't believe this? Did you change your mind or not believe it to begin with??

 

[mmksparbud]

You can't buy or obligate God a true sovereign.

How is quoting what Jesus Himself said obligating Him?? Revelation is
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Believing in the words and promises of Jesus is not putting Him iunder obligation---they are His promises. Don't you believe in them?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Not really brother, only correcting your error in relation to HEBREWS 10. The SHADOW laws of MOSES are not the ETERNAL LAWS of GOD (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's 4th commandments is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is *EXODUS 20:8-11. According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's people are in every Church and God knows many break his LAW out of IGNORANCE but when God gives us a KNOWLEDGE of the truth calls all men everywhere to repent and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30-31; 5:29; ROMANS 3:4

At best, you are inconsistent. In this post you make the case for a distinction among the commandments of God, yet in succeeding posts you make the case for the necessity of keeping all of God's commandments. Which is it? Are you permitted to ignore some of God's commandments as not being "ETERNAL LAWS OF GOD" or are all of God's commandments to be obeyed as of equal importance?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Nope. Break one you break them all. Neither is it to be ignored because it is inconvenient. It is the only one that God says to remember and the only one everyone wants to forget. And it is the only one that states that God is the creator of all and that He blessed and sanctified that one particular day. No one would even consider that you can be unrepentant killer and get into heaven but that you can break the 4th is not considered a problem. There are 10--not 9.

Sadly, you and your church have yet to obey the 4th commandment of the ten. Thus, according to you, you are guilty of adultery and murder, to mention only two of the 613 commandments which you must obey.

 

[mmksparbud]

At best, you are inconsistent. In this post you make the case for a distinction among the commandments of God, yet in succeeding posts you make the case for the necessity of keeping all of God's commandments. Which is it? Are you permitted to ignore some of God's commandments as not being "ETERNAL LAWS OF GOD" or are all of God's commandments to be obeyed as of equal importance?

I've not been inconsistent. I make a distinction, as does God, between the priestly commandments, and the 10. The laws pertaining to the sacrificial ceremonious that all pointed to Jesus are the ones that are no longer needed---that should be glaringly obvious as Jesus is now our sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest. Once gain--the 10 are the only ones written by God Himself, and the only ones that were kept in the Ark.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I've not been inconsistent. I make a distinction, as does God, between the priestly commandments, and the 10. The laws pertaining to the sacrificial ceremonious that all pointed to Jesus are the ones that are no longer needed---that should be glaringly obvious as Jesus is now our sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest. Once gain--the 10 are the only ones written by God Himself, and the only ones that were kept in the Ark.

So, in your understanding only the ten commandments have any relevance and we are free to ignore the other 603. Not a problem. Just don't go around bragging that you obey all of God's (important) commandments. People like me would probably misunderstand you and actually think you might be opposed to things like tattoos and homosexuality.

 

[Timothy416]

Nope. Break one you break them all. Neither is it to be ignored because it is inconvenient. It is the only one that God says to remember and the only one everyone wants to forget. And it is the only one that states that God is the creator of all and that He blessed and sanctified that one particular day. No one would even consider that you can be unrepentant killer and get into heaven but that you can break the 4th is not considered a problem. There are 10--not 9.

I wonder how many sda members will make it to heaven:


What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.’ Rom7:7

A few verses later, Paul confirmed breaking this commandment brought death to him. So how did he break it? Did Saul go around sleeping with woman after woman, is that what he meant about knowing lust through the commandment? No he did not. He could hardly have risen to where he did in responsibility within the party of the Pharisees if he did that. No, he broke it in his mind. He broke the law concerning the ten commandments in a way no one but God need know he broke it. For Paul the Christian was well aware of what obeying the Ten Commandments entailed. Dwelling on impure thoughts/lust breaks them. Therefore, if obeying the letter of the ten commandments is necessary to enter heaven, your thoughts can send you to hell. For as you said, break one you break them all,

 

[mmksparbud]

So, in your understanding only the ten commandments have any relevance and we are free to ignore the other 603. Not a problem. Just don't go around bragging that you obey all of God's (important) commandments. People like me would probably misunderstand you and actually think you might be opposed to things like tattoos and homosexuality.

That is not my opinion. That is the opinion of the scriptures and if you read Hebrews, it makes it very clear. the priesthood ceremonies were no longer relevant for Jesus fulfilled those--or do you wish to be still sacrificing animals in spite of the fact the Jesus is the Lamb and the High Priest--or do you not believe that? I do not in any way brag about anything--do you? You are, of course, free to believe whatever you wish and if you want to keep the 600 also--that's your choice. Tattoos and homosexuality are not part of the laws pertaining to the sacrifices pointing to Jesus. I have no idea what is so very difficult to comprehend about the sacrificial laws that were pertaining to the priesthood and to the sacrifice of Jesus were done away with at the cross. What is so difficult about it?? It is stated all over Hebrews---Jesus is our High Priest--no earthly priestly rituals are needed any longer. It doesn't take a college education to get it.

 

[mmksparbud]

I wonder how many sda members will make it to heaven:


What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.’ Rom7:7

A few verses later, Paul confirmed breaking this commandment brought death to him. So how did he break it? Did Saul go around sleeping with woman after woman, is that what he meant about knowing lust through the commandment? No he did not. He could hardly have risen to where he did in responsibility within the party of the Pharisees if he did that. No, he broke it in his mind. He broke the law concerning the ten commandments in a way no one but God need know he broke it. For Paul the Christian was well aware of what obeying the Ten Commandments entailed. Dwelling on impure thoughts/lust breaks them. Therefore, if obeying the letter of the ten commandments is necessary to enter heaven, your thoughts can send you to hell. For as you said, break one you break them all,

Few will get in apparently.

Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

There are even fewer who believe that with Jesus anything is possible or that it is Jesus working in us that does it.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

my God is able.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

 

[Timothy416]

Few will get in apparently.

Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

There are even fewer who believe that with Jesus anything is possible or that it is Jesus working in us that does it.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

my God is able.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

As I said, I wonder how many sda members will make it to heaven, and not be condemned by their thoughts

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That's simply a negative.

Not at all it is GOD'S WORD and GOD'S WORD says the SABBATH cannot be a SHADOW of anything as it is a part of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give is the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. It was also a part of the FINISHED work of creation BEFORE SIN and God's plan of salvation was given to mankind.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes Jesus said - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled except the shadow laws.

Jesus taught all the law and the prophets and expounded on them from the OLD TESTAMENT in the NEW TESTAMENT he did not come to abolish them but to fulfill them (Matthew 5:17-19). The MOSAIC BOOK of the law pointed to JESUS and were fulfilled in him (no more animal sacrifices after his death). While he obeyed God's LAW (10 Commandments) perfectly in order to be our perfect sacrifice for sin. Jesus taught LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and on these two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. However, even here Jesus is quoting the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 of LOVE to GOD and LOVE to our neighbore and states ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTEW 22:36-40. It is clear JESUS is not referring to God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) being ABOLISHED as he teaches them from the inside out in MATTHEW 5:19-28. Perhaps you should re-read MATTHEW 5.

Hope this helps.