I guess this is about as good a place to post this-
I do not remember which thread or post it was here is a re-post just for you.
ROMANS 7 AND ROMANS 8 GOD'S LAW ABOLISHED? OR IS IT SIN? PART 1/4
I've noticed you don't use ten commandments. Instead you use God's law. When it comes to law I believe there's a difference. It wasn't God's law that was added. It was what we normally call the law (famous 10) that has been added. God's law was before sin. The famous 10 weren't. My proof is Gen 26:5 and Deut 5:1-3.
This study is put forward as some try to argue through presenting a half verse in
ROMANS 7:6 to say God's LAW has been ABOLISHED leaving out CONTEXT in both chapter and scripture.
Not the case. We don't promote the law (famous 10) as being annihilated. We do agree with Mat 5:17-18 and LK 24:44.
Those who argue God's LAW is ABOLISHED quote the first half of ROMANS 7:6 (empasized) to argue God's LAW is abolished.
We also quote from the prophets, who you quote half sentences from changing the meaning of God's Word. We do also quote from the Gospels. So what we support isn't just the words of the despised Paul.
ROMANS 7:6 [6], But now, by dying to what once bound us,
we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Quoting to the first coma (KJV) or the second coma in your version doesn't change the meaning of the verse nor the fact that we are delivered (released - your version) from as true.
What were we held in (KJV), bound in your version? You say sin, yet the verse says the law meaning the famous 10 by quote in the next verse of them. Now we serve in newness of Spirit. We no longer serve by the written code (law, famous 10)(your version) letter (KJV).
Let's now look at both the chapter and within scripture context that is missing to this interpretation...
Let's start with what is being ignored within the scripture (emphasis in red)
ROMANS 7:6 [6],
But now, by dying to what once bound us,
we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Ignored? By who? Me? When?
Interesting enough you reference and quote Romans 3:21 in support of being required to keep this law. And yes you're referring to the written code (famous 10) when you do so. So why do you promote that in light of this verse in context by quote of the next that we're released from. You're just not consistent.
Question. What was it that God's LAW shows in
ROMANS 7 that has
bound us? Let's go back to the verse that is before....
ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the
FLESH <
G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the motions of
SINS, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth
fruit to death [NOTE:
ROMANS 6:23 the
wages of sin is death].
What caused the motions of sin? The law. What law? Verse 7 says the famous 10. The verse doesn't read - For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death. My back up is -
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is,
there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Answer. It is SIN that has bound us! Not God's LAW.
While it's sin that bound us is true. It's also true that the Jews Paul is speaking to were also bound by the law (famous 10). So is your point here that we're not bound (obligated to) the famous 10? Can't be when your total volume of posts are considered. You clearly promote being bound by the law (famous 10).
Sin isn't the subject of Romans 7. The central theme and subject is law, specifically the famous 10 by quote. Paul says it's the law which caused violation (sin).
<* NOTE: the key to this verse is delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held or bound us. The law revived and I died... Why? Because the LAW gave a KNOWLEDDGE of SIN. It is SIN that God's LAW holds us to. It is SIN that we are delivered from by dying to it not God's LAW.>
Here you make a clear statement we were bound by the law. When it comes to the Jews I agree. Gentiles were never obligated to the famous 10. The statement also indicates we don't come to the law as gentiles. That would mean we're bound by the law against what the verse says.
The GREEK (interlinear) translation to english of
ROMANS 7:6 is...
"
Now however we have been released from the law having died to that which bound us"
No problem for me there. Serious problem for you. No mention of sin in that quote.
Now we could stop here but in the next post let's look at little deeper into
Romans 7 and
Romans 8 showing how they bring in the NEW COVENANT promise of God's LAW being written on the heart of those who have faith in God's WORD...
Swell! No problem.
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Q. How are we released from the LAW?
Why are you asking this question? Isn't your intention that we're released only from sin and not the law? You do teach and promote a requirement to keep the covenant law given only to Israel - the famous 10.
ἀποθανόντες ἐν ᾧ κατειχόμεθα ; having died to that which bound us
This isn't a reference to sin. You talk about being release from the law but claim it's sin that bound us. Just following the flow here you claim we're released from the law. Please get your act together.
The GREEK (interlinear) translation to english of
ROMANS 7:6 is...
"Now however we have been released from the law having died to that which bound us"
Agree here.
The scripture context is saying we are released from the PENALTY AND CONDEMNATION of God's LAW because of the SIN that BOUND us. God's LAW has not BOUND us SIN does. Through God's FORGIVENESS we are released from the condemnation and penalty of God's LAW which is DEATH v5 [SIN = FRUIT UNTO DEATH].
No. Verse 5 says sin was caused by the law. It says nothing about being removed from any penalty. Jews were bound by both. Gentiles never were. Every law I know of requires punishment for any violation. If you take away the required punishment for violation, law becomes nothing more than an empty suggestion.
This has already been shown in the CONTEXT of the surrounding scripture for v6 CONTEXT is the SIN that BOUND us not God's LAW v5. God's LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is v7.
No the context is clearly about the law. The subject is clear by the question - Is the law sin? The discussion then proceeds to be comments about the law mentioned 3 more times.
ROMANS 7:6 [6], But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
I still agree with the verse as quoted. It plainly says "...we have been released from the law.." There's absolutely no text or context for "But now, by dying to what once bound us..." being sin.
Question. What was it that God's LAW shows in
ROMANS 7 that has
bound us? v7-8 tells us it is SIN that has bound us.
ROMANS 7:7-8 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No,
I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,
You shall not covet. [8], But sin, taking occasion by the commandment
, worked in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Yes "For without the law sin was dead." Verse 7 clearly says sin was caused by the law. It says noting about being bound by sin.
Now let's go back to the verse that is before....
ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the
FLESH <
G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the motions of
SINS, which were by the law,
did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.
Answer. It is SIN that has bound us! Not God's LAW because the wages of SIN is death to those who have not received the GIFT of God's dear son. (
Romans 6:23). We are released from the wages of sin and the condemnation of Gods law through Christ and God's forgiveness. *
ROMANS 8:1-4.
The verse says nothing about being bound by sin. The verse talks about how the law works. Yes I agree the wages of sin is death. That however doesn't mean we were or are bound by it. Yes I believe we were bound by sin. That isn't the subject of Romans anywhere. It certainly isn't the context, subject or focus of Romans 7.
<* NOTE: the key to this verse is delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held. The law revived and I died... Why? Because the LAW gave a KNOWLEDDGE of SIN. It is SIN that God's LAW holds us to. It is SIN that we are delivered from not God's LAW.>
No. God nor His law holds (binds) us to sin. God's law charges violators and punishes them. There's so many great verses to quote here. Righteousness is without the law -
3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Both from Romans. What I'd like to know from you is how can either of those verses be about ceremonial law you claim is no longer in force.
You charge others with guilt (unrighteousness/sin) by law that has been rescinded and no longer having any jurisdiction. (Jer 31:31-33; LK 22:20) Therefore your charge is false.
There's no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus by anything including the law - Romans 8:1.
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Here are a few different bible versions of the same scripture...
None of which prove your point. So I deleted them for brevity.
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CONCLUSION: It is that which binds us that we are released from. It is SIN that binds us not God's LAW. We are released from SIN and the penalty of SIN by walking in the SPIRIT of the NEW COVENANT promise by FAITH (
ROMANS 8:1-4)...
Sorry about your conflicting statement here. You boldly proclaim we're bound to the law. Not a single one of your passages indicate bondage to sin. All your quotes are about the law.
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[7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.
[8], But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, worked in me all manner of covetousness. For without the law sin was dead.
[9], For I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
The subject is the law, not sin.
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CONCLUSION:
ROMANS 7 and
ROMANS 8 are talking about the NEW COVENANT promise of SALVATION from SIN; not salvation in SIN. We are not released from God's LAW (10 Commandments) as it is the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. We are released from SIN and the PENALTY of SIN and the law of SIN and DEATH (7v5-25; 8v2 6v23) by walking in the Spirit of the NEW COVENANT (8v1) we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (SIN). If you have not died to that which holds you captive (SIN) you are not released from the LAW you are UNDER the LAW Guilty before God of SIN.
Hope this helps brother.
Your conclusion is partially correct. We're delivered from both the law and guilt of sin. No where have I ever promoted salvation in sin. You claim it's sin to not keep the law given only to a select people, namely Israel. Not even a Christian Israeli is obligated to the Old Covenant law because of the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ as promised by Jeremiah. 
