Why is the day of worship controversial?

[BobRyan]

So your idea is Joshua wrote the Book of the Law on stone.

God wrote the TEN on stone and that LAW was placed inside the ark. Moses wrote the rest and placed them outside the ark.

Still "ALL scripture" not just that which is on stone "is inspired by God AND to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16 ... Bible details matter.

Doesn't address Joshua.

hint: No text says Joshua wrote the book of the law on stone.
hint #2: Hebrews 9 says that even to the point of the NT - no law but the TEN was ever inside the Ark.

 

[BobRyan]

Why do you ignore that God told Moses other things to tell and require of the people .

As both the Sunday and the Bible-Sabbath affirm Christians freely admit - the ceremonial laws ended at the cross according to Hebrew 10:4-12 and 1 Cor 7:19 where circumcision is contrasted with the moral law of God - that all agree includes the TEN Commandments.

Why get stuck on the easy part - when both sides already agree to this simple and obvious Bible fact?

You rely only on words when it comes to the truth. For you actions have no meaning when it comes to words. In practice what you claim isn't true. Your and their definitions of words don't agree.

Until you actually read the texts I just referenced

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No I'm not confused the law of circumcision is part of the law of Moses and required by God for participation in that covenant with Israel.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. The MOSAIC BOOK of the SHADOW laws *DEUTERONOMY 31:24 witten by MOSES in the BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments). God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that we have shown earlier are ETERNAL *PSALMS 119:142-143; PSALMS 119:172; PSALMS 119:160; ECCLESIASTES 3:14; EXODUS 32:16; ISAIAH 40:8; EXODUS 20:1-17

God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. Sorry brother your words are not God's WORD. As God's WORD says only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

Please brother if you disagree show where in any of God's 10 Commandments is CIRCUMCISION mentioned *EXODUS 20:1-17. If you cannot then who sould we believe your words or God's WORD? There is a lot of condensed scripture here brother that disagrees with you. I suggest you prayerfully consider them. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to?

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Here you deny even your words. Upon mentioning them you say there's no truth in them. Why are you wobbling so much? Now you ask where in your post do you say that, so here it is in red so you can find it by quote - And this isn't the only time you posted this statement. Your re-post also includes the statement you deny. I also colored it red for you.

This is simply sad for you brother. Not only will you not acknowledge that what you posted earlier is something I have never said after you were corrected your continuing to repeat it things I have never said. My post was in response to what you wrote here.

ace of hearts said: ↑ In this post you claim we have to fulfill the law ourselves by doing the law. Nothing in the NT supports this. You can't accept that Someone else did for you what you can't do for yourself. Sad.

To this post of yours above I responded with.

"Well that simply has no truth in it whatsoever. Where does it say in the post you are quoting from that we have to fulfill God's LAW ourselves by doing God's LAW? If I have never said such things why are you making claims here that I have never made? If I have never made these claims why pretend that I have? This is simply sad for you brother if you feel the need to make claims that I have never said here or anywhere else on CF."

Now where does it say in what you are quoting from that I am telling others as you say in your words that I am claiming that we have to fulfill the law ourselves by doing the law? Your posting and making claims that I have never said this is sad for you. I will leave that between you and God. Claiming that people are saying things that they are not is simply being dishonest especially after you have been corrected more than once.

Here, let me re-post the post and let others make up their mind.

The post and the scriptures show that OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is fulfilled by faith that works by LOVE. Those who continue in SIN do not LOVE and need to be Born again to LOVE. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 3:3-7; 1 JOHN 3:3-9; 1 JOHN 2:3-4' ROMANS 3:31.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

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The GREEK Word for FULFILLING [πλήρωμα; plērōm is COMPLETING v10] or EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH or CARRY OUT; DOING in v8 [πληρόω; plēroō]

It is not saying we are doing the LAW by ourselves. The scriptures are saying what was written in the beginning of that post that it is FAITH in God's WORD that works by LOVE that etablishes God's LAW in the HEART of the BELIEVER (RIGHTOEUSNESS is by FAITH in God's WORD).

This is the NEW COVENANT promise to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is God's WORK in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13; 2 PETER 1:4; JOHN 8:31-36; HEBREWS 8:10; JOHN 3:3-7; 1 JOHN 3:3-10 to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God and walk in his SPIRIT *GALATIANS 5:16.

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves is it a gift of God and not of WORKS lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8. If our FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's WORD then our faith is DEAD because we are still in our sins *JAMES 2:18-20; 26. God's WORD says that all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBRREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Now I will repeat the post that was asked of you earlier. "Where does it say in the post you are quoting from that we have to fulfill God's LAW ourselves by doing God's LAW? If I have never said such things why are you making claims here that I have never made? If I have never made these claims why pretend that I have? This is simply sad for you brother if you feel the need to make claims that I have never said here or anywhere else on CF."

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So your idea is Joshua wrote the Book of the Law on stone. And is it your idea that everything outside of the stone tablets is strictly from the invention of Moses?

Ex 34:32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in mount Sinai.

Ex 35:1 And Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said unto them, These are the words which the Lord hath commanded, that ye should do them.

The evidence from Scripture is God gave Moses more than the famous 10 and ordered him to tell it to the people. There are more passages of God telling Moses things to do and tell the people. The blessings and curses of Deuteronomy aren't from Moses. You want to be the subject of the blessings without being the subject of the curses. Of course because it appeals to the flesh.

Not at all brother. Where did I say that JOSHUA wrote all the law of MOSES from the BOOK of the COVENANT on stones? If I have never said such things why do you try and pretend that I I have? Look at the scriptures.

JOSHUA 8:30-35
[30], Then [After the WAR] JOSHAU BUILT AN ALTER to the LORD God of Israel in mount Ebal,
[31], As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES, an altar of whole stones, over which no man has lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings to the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

NOTE: The CONTEXT of v32 is v30-31 which was the building of the ALTER for PEACE OFFERINGS, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31

[32], And he wrote there on the stones A COPY OF THE LAW OF MOSES, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.

NOTE: The copy of the LAW OF MOSES is in CONTEXT to the building of the ALTER, PEACE OFFERINGS AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31, so that which was being written on the stones was written from the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31,

[33], And all Israel, and their elders, and officers, and their judges, stood on this side the ark and on that side before the priests the Levites, which bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, as well the stranger, as he that was born among them; half of them over against mount Gerizim, and half of them over against mount Ebal; as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel.
[34], And AFTERWARDS HE READ ALL THE WORDS OF THE LAW, the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS, according to all that is WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

NOTE: v34 AFTERWARDS, that is AFTER BUILDING the ALTER and offering the PEACE OFFERINGS according to the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31 and writing these on stone; HE READ ALL THE WORDS OF THE LAW, the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS, according to all that is WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

[35], THERE WAS NOT A WORD OF ALL THAT MOSES COMMANDED, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.

NOTE: The scripture says THERE WAS NOT A WORD OF ALL THAT MOSES COMMANDED FROM the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v30-35. It was GOD alone that spoke the 10 commandments not MOSES brother. The CONTEXT here is the BLESSINGS and the CURSINGS written in the BOOK of the LAW of MOSES not God's LAW written on the TABLES of Stone in the ARK of the COVENANT.

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CONCLUSION: The CONTEXT of v30-35 is the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW and the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Not God's 10 commandments. Your error here is that you mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:26; EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Visit Jeremiah 31:31-33.

I have thankyou. You left out v34. These are also repeated in HEBREWS 8:7-12 and is God's NEW COVENANT to God's ISRAEL who are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What does GALATIANS 3:28-28 talk about? Is it about Israel or Jesus?

JESUS is the ROOT. Gentiles are grafted in among God's ISRAEL *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes those passages are aimed at me. You resort to this type of response when your other posts aren't accepted as truth for Christians. In my personal experience all cult members do this sort of thing. Your issue is I don't practice the covenant given to Israel and reject the Gospel. So you try to gain compliance by threatening with eternal damnation. Religion stinks.

No those passages are aimed at everyone who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD - the Church. If we feel convicted by scripture however God's Spirit is calling us *JOHN 16:8.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Denial of the record will get you no where.

Indeed. That is why we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not really, what law of Moses are you referring to? Moses had many shadow laws written in the book of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7. These however were not the same as God's eternal law, (the 10 commandments) that God wrote on the two tables of stone.

God has 10 eternal laws that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken as shown in *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 as already shown through the scriptures.

Please answer the question.

 

[ace of hearts]

Indeed. That is why we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

What does this refer to? I can't connect it to anything.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What does this refer to? I can't connect it to anything.

BELIEVE and FOLLOW is connected to God's WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Please answer the question.

A detailed scripture reply was posted in post # 325 linked. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

 

[ace of hearts]

BELIEVE and FOLLOW is connected to God's WORD.

Where? I read you connecting them. I didn't see any passage of Scripture.

 

[ace of hearts]

A detailed scripture reply was posted in post # 325 linked. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Obviously not and that is what I asked my question. I responded to that post.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Obviously not and that is what I asked my question. I responded to that post.

No you did not. Try reading JOSHUA 8 with the scriptures and CONTEXT added in that you left out brother as shown in post #325 linked click me. It clearly disagrees with you. All you have in response are your own words against God's WORD. Ignoring God's WORD and the scriptures that disagree with you do not make God's WORD disappear.

 

[mmksparbud]

I don't ignore that fact. The famous 10 are the covenant Jeremiah talks about in Jeremiah 31:31-33. He plainly says there is a new unprecedented covenant coming. Jesus proclaims this new and unprecedented covenant is now current. That voids the previous covenant Jeremiah said was given to their fathers after departure from Egypt given to no one else.

Both the stone tablets and the rest of what God told Moses to write are from God and are His (God's) law which you seem to deny. If you don't your argument holds no water.

Mat 5 says no jot or title of the law can pass until all things are fulfilled. Luke 24:44 says all things are fulfilled. If they weren't passages like Heb 7:12 are false. If you believe is true, you don't accept the all Scripture.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
The 10 have nothing to do with the priesthood--only the sacrifices required a priest and Jesus is now our priest and the Law of Moses dealing with the priesthood is no longer needed


The law is written in the heart now---it is still the law! He puts it not on tables of stone, but in the heart---doesn't say anything vaguely suggesting that there will be no law---only addresses the place it is written. The old covenant was to do the sacrifices for forgiveness--the new one is through the blood of Jesus. The new covenant is Jesus has done way with the sacrifices---His blood is the forgiveness now. God's word is true and what He told Moses was to be kept--and as He said--it is now the new covenant.
What God says is--and no man can undo it. The "famous 10" are still under His throne in the heavenly sanctuary. Or do you not believe all scripture?
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Jesus part was done at the cross ad resurrection for salvation--all has not quite been fulfilled. Jesus has one more final step to do -- He will comer back and He will make all things new then He will say it is done

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not at all brother. Where did I say that JOSHUA wrote all the law of MOSES from the BOOK of the COVENANT on stones? If I have never said such things why do you try and pretend that I I have? Look at the scriptures.

JOSHUA 8:30-35
[30], Then [After the WAR] JOSHAU BUILT AN ALTER to the LORD God of Israel in mount Ebal,
[31], As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES, an altar of whole stones, over which no man has lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings to the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

NOTE: The CONTEXT of v32 is v30-31 which was the building of the ALTER for PEACE OFFERINGS, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31

[32], And he wrote there on the stones A COPY OF THE LAW OF MOSES, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.

What is in question here? Did Joshua write on stones, or was it God's famous 10 written written on stone. Then the question is what was written on those stones? The law of Moses is the first 5 books of the OT. Is that what was written on stones? It's argued the famous 10 are eternal because they were written in stone. Why doesn't the same apply to the rest of the law you call the law of Moses? Are what you call the law of Moses the inventions of Moses or did it really come from God? Then the famous 10 are found in what you call the law of Moses and the only reason you know about them. Remember the law of Moses has been done away with according to you.

NOTE: The copy of the LAW OF MOSES is in CONTEXT to the building of the ALTER, PEACE OFFERINGS AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31, so that which was being written on the stones was written from the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31,

Granted what was written on those stones came from the Book of the Law of Moses. The passage (including all you quoted and referenced doesn't indicate part of it. It seems to me that you imply the famous 10 weren't written on those stones because you claim they're not part of the law of Moses. IOW you separate them out. Are you going to be consistent here? What is your proof?

[33], And all Israel, and their elders, and officers, and their judges, stood on this side the ark and on that side before the priests the Levites, which bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, as well the stranger, as he that was born among them; half of them over against mount Gerizim, and half of them over against mount Ebal; as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel.
[34], And AFTERWARDS HE READ ALL THE WORDS OF THE LAW, the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS, according to all that is WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

NOTE: v34 AFTERWARDS, that is AFTER BUILDING the ALTER and offering the PEACE OFFERINGS according to the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31 and writing these on stone; HE READ ALL THE WORDS OF THE LAW, the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS, according to all that is WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

[35], THERE WAS NOT A WORD OF ALL THAT MOSES COMMANDED, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.

I see, Moses didn't command the observance of the famous 10. Remember they're separate from the Law (commands/requirements) of Moses.

NOTE: The scripture says THERE WAS NOT A WORD OF ALL THAT MOSES COMMANDED FROM the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v30-35. It was GOD alone that spoke the 10 commandments not MOSES brother. The CONTEXT here is the BLESSINGS and the CURSINGS written in the BOOK of the LAW of MOSES not God's LAW written on the TABLES of Stone in the ARK of the COVENANT.

Yes that is the testimony of Moses. Did Moses command or not command the keeping of the famous 10?

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CONCLUSION: The CONTEXT of v30-35 is the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW and the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Not God's 10 commandments. Your error here is that you mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:26; EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172.

That's interesting. Do you quote or read Exodus 20:8-11 from the stone tables or the Book of the Law of Moses?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

You keep saying this with no proof. What is true is that I don't agree with you. Fortunately you're not God's Word.

Hope this helps.

 

[BobRyan]

What is in question here? Did Joshua write on stones, or was it God's famous 10 written written on stone.

God says it is the Ten Commandment on stone.
Joshua does not say he wrote the ten commandments on stone.

Then the question is what was written on those stones? The law of Moses is the first 5 books of the OT. Is that what was written on stones?

Clearly you don't know if Joshua wrote anything at all on stones - and if he did what it was.

So sticking with what we do know - the Bible says the TEN were written by God Himself on stone... and spoken by God Himself to Israel.

The is the easy part.

As we all know.

 

[ace of hearts]

I have thankyou. You left out v34. These are also repeated in HEBREWS 8:7-12 and is God's NEW COVENANT to God's ISRAEL who are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

Since you demand I include v 34, I want to ask why then did Jesus teach anything? Jesus did say this new covenant is active.

What do you make of -

Jn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.