the iconoclast
Atheism is weak. Yep, I said it
Hey kylie
got bored waiting for sfs.
Iconoclast - " What other ways can you suggest"
Kylie - "No idea."
What you did explain was an example of a category error. Please show me where i made one?
Optimus - "The ToE just is."
How about what you said below?
Kylie - "The only rational thing he can do is to accept that the people who have studied the idea in depth and who have much greater knowledge about the idea than he has are much more likely to get accurate information and conclusions."
He did xray to see how deep the roots were and to recommend surgery. Now would i go to him if i knew he was an unfit dentist? If i did not know his reputation or experience his service, then how would it not be trust based on no evidence?
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We came to the conclusion that one or the other will need to make contact, go through the right channels, get the right info and find where the other is. Then one or the other could be shaken by the shoulders.I'm not sure why you are going on about this. You said that my existence was like God's existence, and you asked me how I could prove to you that I exist. I gave you an example. So I showed that it is indeed possible for me to prove that I exist.
Iconoclast - " What other ways can you suggest"
Kylie - "No idea."
Convince you to “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 The proof depends on you. Ask me more?Now it's your turn - what could God do to prove to me that he exists?
This is a logic challenge and we are no where finished yet. The point re existance has been concluded ie there is only one option unless you can provide an alternative?You are attempting to get out of proving your point.
I agree.I have given you a clear and easy to understand example of how I can prove to you that I exist beyond reasonable doubt.
Would you being willing to do what it takes? Are you committed to finding out?Now it is time for you to tell me how God could prove to me that he exists beyond reasonable doubt.
Excellant. We are on the same page.Yes, I know what objective means.
How did you come to this conclusion?That's a terrible way of getting proof.
What all sorts of proof are these?People have done this and gotten "proof" of all sorts of things.
Actually i havent asked that of you. I have directed many questions at you though. Why can a scientist verify a religious experience but how ever a religious person cannot?You are asking me to accept subjective experience as objective fact.
That is not what i said and you are putting words into my mouth.By your argument, I can claim that one plus one equals red because I really feel it in my heart, and I have faith that adding numbers together makes a colour.
Well if you didnt have faith i existed you wouldnt come and shake me by the shoulders. What motivation would you have to do so? Having faith is the first step to seeking, you would not do so if you doubted?If I said I could prove to you that I exist by just asking you to accept in your heart that I exist, does that sound like a good way of knowing if I really exist?
Lets consider the nature of God. Why is it a rubbish way?Of course not. It's a rubbish way. And it doesn't stop being rubbish if you try to use it to determine the existence of God rather than me.
You are putting words into my mouth but while we are here. Would that also apply to @VirOptimus?Telling people to not think about it and just take your word for it is not providing proof.
Optimus - "The ToE just is."
How about what you said below?
Kylie - "The only rational thing he can do is to accept that the people who have studied the idea in depth and who have much greater knowledge about the idea than he has are much more likely to get accurate information and conclusions."
Haha nice!! It would not be a normal discussion with an atheist unless they mock you.I'm sorry, I forgot that you seem to need everything spelled out in detail for you.
How is that so?Our understanding of how evolution works is an important tool in understanding how life works.
That implies a catalyst. How is evolution a thing used to help perform a job ie you ellude to a task? (.eg a piece of work to be done or undertaken.) Why couldnt God be this catalyst?I'd say that the second definition, "a thing used to help perform a job" works well. Sure, it's not a physical thing, but it's an idea that helps us work with information we have gathered about the real world.
Well lets examine your explanation.No. You do not understand how this works.
Haha mouth faires. When i got my wisdom teeth pulled out, i knew it was my wisdom teeth. I did not need a xray to prove that and neither did he, he poked around and came to that conclusion based on my painful reaction - so did i.If your dentist tells you that your mouth pain is caused by wisdom teeth growing in, and he has reached that conclusion because he has got the x-rays showing it, you don't get to say he's wrong because you don't think dentists know the truth about mouth fairies that living in your gums.
You are free to do so.But hey, if you wanna make that argument, then I reject you as an expert on any religious matter.
Haha. If someone steals a car, do i need to be a policeman or a lawmaker to know that is a crime?Therefore your claims about any religious idea are automatically wrong, and any attempt to defend your own position is just a logical fallacy.
Dont get too excited!So you've just disproved yourself.
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